Last week I posted two articles related to the Vienna Presbyterian Church in Vienna, Virginia. Between 2001 and 2005, as many as a dozen teenage girls may have suffered sexual, emotional and spiritual abuse from a church youth director. This year, the youth director was long gone, but church leaders felt that the wounds had not be properly addressed and healed. So a few months ago, the pastor and church issued a public apology.
Lawyers for the church’s insurance company warned the church not to accept responsibility for the failings of the youth director. Doing so, the insurance company said, would jeopardize the church’s coverage in case a lawsuit was filed.
The Vienna Presbyterian Church ignored the demands of its insurance company. On March 27, Pastor Peter James preached a sermon that acknowledged the church’s failings.
“Let me speak for a moment to our survivors,” he said. “We, as church leaders, were part of the harm in failing to extend the compassion and mercy that you needed. Some of you felt uncared for, neglected and even blamed in this church. I am truly sorry ”¦ I regret the harm this neglect has caused you.”
Guess what—so far, none of the young women has filed a lawsuit.
Why not? The case would be a slam-dunk. The youth director pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The church accepted responsibility. Several of the now young women have trouble in relationships, because they are still seeking the fantasy that the youth director promised. If they filed suit, they’d win.
My guess is that the women don’t want money. They want to be heard. They want to be validated. And they want to be healed.
Invisible damage
The problem with sociopathic entanglements is that so much of the damage is invisible. Even in cases where we lose money, jobs, homes, and are subject to physical violence, the big wounds are not readily apparent. Before all those obvious injuries occurred, the sociopaths softened us up with emotional manipulation, psychological control and spiritual abuse. These internal wounds not only eat at us, but they make it difficult for us to respond to, and recover from, the obvious physical damage.
After the sociopath, we need to purge our emotional and mental pain. We need internal stability. But when we reach out for help on this level, many of the people around us simply don’t get it.
They don’t understand why we need to talk so much about what happened. They don’t understand how, when we suspected that we were being used, we allowed it to continue. They don’t understand why we are still confused in our thoughts and emotions about the sociopath.
Get over it, they tell us.
These are the people, of course, who are lucky enough to have avoided a direct assault from a sociopath in their own lives. We often understand why they don’t really understand what happened—after all, we were once as clueless as they are. Still, their ignorance of the depth of our pain seems to increase our pain. We feel like we are not being heard, and our suffering is being invalidated.
Debriefing
Karin Huffer, in her book, the Legal Abuse Syndrome, describes this situation in detail in her chapter on “Debriefing.”
Debriefing, she says, is the first step in recovery. In the debriefing process, we tell someone exactly what happened to us, in all the painful detail. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find what Huffer describes as “quality listeners.” These are people who have the ability to hear what we have to say, overriding their own protective filters. She writes:
Protective filters are always at work. If an individual begins to share with another and the data threatens the listener’s feelings of safety, they may try to divert the data or simply not hear it at all ”¦
The function of this protective filter is to maintain the equilibrium of the listener. Victims’ stories shake the foundations that we lean upon in order to feel safe. When it is impossible for friends or family to hear, due to their protective psychological filters shielding them from vicarious pain, the victim feels rejected and alone.
Huffer goes on to describe a formal debriefing process. It’s best done with a quality listener or support group, but an individual can do it alone if necessary.
Support at Lovefraud
I believe that we have many, many quality listeners on Lovefraud. I am always amazed at the thoughtful, comforting and patient comments posted in response to readers who are spilling their traumatized guts.
The reason Lovefraud readers can do this, of course, is because we’ve all been there. We know what it’s like to be deceived, betrayed and assaulted. We know what it’s like to sit amidst the wreckage of what was once our lives. We’re all on the path to recovery, and those of us who are further along help those of us who are just beginning.
Healing, in the end, is an individual journey. To fully recover, we must consciously excavate and examine our pain, and find a way to let it go. But the process is helped immensely when we are heard and validated. I am so glad that Lovefraud offers this to so many people.
LL,
Ah, I did not recognize AR or mommom as spath! I have a long way to go. Please excuse my ignorance. I’m proud of you cause you saw it, named it, and IT was DONE!
I learned a great deal through that thread actually. Good for you LL and eff em!
Pity party for one ..well mommom was a hoot at first but soon she was taking bit and pieces of everybodys story and weaving lots of drama – not making any sense – I assumed she was weird and entertaining us with her lies and vivid imagination but I never thot she was sspath. I have been called a sociopath on the blog, I wont name names but my many friends pounced on her like a duck on a june bug….~!~
Louise,
I don’t think it would be appropriate, given what happened to share my thoughts about it here in detail with regards to Mommom. It’s a learning experience, I think.
When you educate yourself and you have more time to reflect about what your spath did to you and you educate yourself further about spaths, you see stuff you didn’t see before and it’s not hard to catch.
I keep in mind several things in weeding out spaths that have NEVER steered me wrong since implementing them. But it takes time.
The only way I could answer you without disrespect to the rules here, or without triggering is this: When someone posts, especially if they are new, there are certain things you can see. PTSD, if you become familiar with it and read up on it, looks different than the posts that come from newbies who are seriously hurting and are in the throws of PTSD. There are others who post who won’t necessarily be spath, but have some other PD.
It’s just a matter of discernment and education and TRUSTING YOUR GUT.
If you just trust your gut, without ANY PTSD attached or childhood triggers/traumas or spath triggers/traumas, in other words, objectively, along with the signs of any PD, it’s not hard to see through.
It takes practice. I”ve been practicing a lot LOL!
There are many here who post, who are genuinely in the throws of PTSD and will say and do things that will blow you away, but it’s different than what would be a PD, that will blow you away in a DIFFERENT way if you pay attention to it.
1. Pity Play
2. Love bombing. Spaths or any other PD can come here and LOVE BOMB, but it won’t be temporary, as if to try to connect to someone who understands their trauma, it will be to garner attention. In type, this can happen right away or over time and becomes consistent.
3. Manipulation. Using others, in whatever way, to get attention, create drama amongst other posters, using various labels and symbols. Accusations that are untrue against another poster that is obvious to others that is not true about the poster being accused. IN other words accusing another poster of “attacking”. This can happen with someone with PTSD too, but is consistent with a spath when called out after several attention getting maneuvers.
4. Aligning themselves to what is a perceived hierarchy (Donna, oxy, etc),
5. The pretentiousness of connectedness that is shallow to garner more attention.
those that are trying to do so, won’t hang around. Those that DO hang around, wait for the ball the drop to create more drama when called out. that’s when they hang themselves.
While this site has been incredibly helpful to me in practicing how to spot spaths, it’s also been working this through intensely on a daily basis for awhile now.
I think that what a spath to us is so close to what a cult figure, or dicatator, does to so many innocent victims. Jim Jones comes to mind. Do you remember that?
David Koresh. Hitler. Those are the biggies, but even in a relationSHIT with a spath, the same techniques are used and unless you can learn to discern how they do it, you’ll continue to be a sheep led to slaughter by PD’s. They are very persuasive and come in various forms.
I’m so grateful for this site and those I’ve met here, as well as a solid support system that has allowed me to grow and learn from this experience, but above all, how to spot a PATHOLOGICAL (of any sort), and call them out.
LL
Hens
I agree with you. I don’t think she was spath either, but she had a PD of some sort. Hey, it’s been implied about me too LOL…PTSD can LOOK JUST LIKE A PD, but it’s only time that will tell….
I think I know whom you’re referring too. Yes, I defended you, but that was a huge case of PTSD too, that accused you.
She isn’t like that. If it’s whom I think you’re thinking….
At all!
But you are well loved here. That was a mistake, Hens. Taken out on you. that can be forgiven.
What is consistent in looney tunes cannot.
(((((((((((((((( Hens )))))))))))))))))))))))
How’s the weiners?
LL
LL I thot it was funny – i never said a bad word to her – she did apologize, I can be a smart ass sometimes…ya know most comedians are very insecure and twisted they say..Robin Williams is the funniest man in the world and I bet he has some issues…..
LL the wieners are fine, this heat and humidity has us all kinda down in the dumps tho..and it isnt even July yet ~! How is your little Hercules doing? Did your son get a puppy for his birthday?
Louise,
it’s exactly as you said, AT FIRST, she seemed so afraid and helpless, next thing I’m reading, she was going undercover to bust a cockfighting ring AND a dogfighting ring too! LOL!
Just like Hens said, she started mirroring everyone! ROTFLMAO! By the time she was finished mirroring everyone, she began to look like a fragmented mirror. Then she got in everyone’s face, took offence at everything, and decreed that she ruled the internet because she didn’t want the LF bloggers talking to each other offline. BTW, AR decreed the same thing and basically said Donna was going to get sued for allowing it.
Any one of these things would have seemed strange, but you put them all together and it churned even my obtuse stomache.
Hens is a SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH!!
nanny nanny nanny!!!
😛
(spathinator boinks Hens with Oxy’s skillet and runs out the door)…
I guess that explains why one of the people ya’ll are talking about kept posting really long things that didn’t make a damn bit of sense. I couldn’t even read the posts because they were so weird and fragmented and outrageous.
who is spathinator?
Liz,
that spathinator, nobody knows who that is. They just come in when there’s a spath and take care of things, but I don’t know what’s gotten into the spathinator tonight. must’ve eaten too many mushrooms or something…