I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Donna, thank you for posting the answers to these nagging questions.
With regard to genetic predisposition to spath traits, I would have to say that I have witnessed evidence to support this in both the first and second exspaths. The first was an abusive spath. The second, a “non-violent” abuser who was interested in financial gain.
My eldest son is product of the first marriage, and he has been diagnosed as disordered and has perpetrated violence against previous wives.
The second exspath has a VERY dysfunctional family – all members present symptoms of narcissism and full-blown sociopathy.
And, you are SO right that concerning myself with the exspath’s “comeuppance” may be a gleeful notion, but the further out I am from my experiences, the less important it is to me.
Thank you for posting this!
Brightest blessings
My ex-P-path was an easy-going, stress-free person who enjoyed his life, in his own sick way. His life was a game he played. As a predator, he chose unknowing players who thought they were playing the game of love. They weren’t. They were playing HIS game, the game of power, a game she was going to lose, and lose BIG.
He used his arsenal of covert emotional manipulations to reduce her from a woman in love to an emotional wreck. That’s when he “won” and moved on to the next, never looking back, never experiencing remorse. It was a sham from day one, and the object of the game was serious harm. Why? Because that was his entertainment. And he got lots of sex along the way.
This “person” is seriously disordered, yet believes he is superior and believes the rest of us are toys to play with. Our only defense is to try to learn to stay away. Please read about TACTICS OF COVERT EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION ”http://psychopathsandlove.com/covert-emotional-manipulation-tactics/ Arm yourself with knowledge.
Arianna
I echo your response. My spath was also very happy go lucky. People said I was SO fortunate to have a spouse with such a temperament. But that was his public persona. Behind closed doors, that same “happyGoLucky” guy was crowing about how he got Mr A to do this, and how Ms B would do anything for him. Controlling others behaviors was how he measured his superiority. Failure of someone to do his will was the one thing that threw him into a rage – but NEVER in public. He controlled his rage and took it out on vulnerable farm animals and on me… He would later find a way to “pay them back” but it was not with rage, but it destroyed them all the same.
I asked my X!husband how he could be so happy when he spread such misery onto me, having to listen to me cry and sob… and his response was that he had what he wanted so he was happy and if I was miserable, well those were my feelings, and had nothing to do with his happiness.
Thanks for your link.
KatyDid,
Mine also said he’d be happy no matter what, no matter anyone’s misery even if he himself created it. He truly did not care, which is impossible for us “normals” to understand. I’m sorry about the rages you and the animals had to bear. I hope you are all out of harm’s way now.
I hope the link helps in some way; it’s mainly from my own experience, although I try to add more.
Arianna
Lately, I have met another person who said that other people’s feelings had nothing to do with her. While I agree that people should OWN their feelings, I do think we are ALL responsible for our BEHAVIOR.
BEHAVIOR has consequences. Someone who admits they don’t care how they make their spouse, children, loved one feel is also saying they have NO emotional bond in their relationship. The sooner I accept that disconnect, the sooner I escape to an emotionally healthier place.
ps I am SAFER but I will NEVER be so foolish to think myself out of harms way. I know my now X!husband considers my escape as a LOSS, and he will bide his time for when he can WIN. WINNING is EVERYTHING to him. He has carried grudges for decades and still crows about finally getting revenge.
KatyDid,
I’ve met many callous people in the past few years. Empathy-challenged, I call them. I didn’t want them in my life, so funny I should get involved with a psychopath. But he was deep undercover.
Even before my run-in with a psychopath, I hated sayings like “No one can make you feel anything without your permission.” To that I’d reply, “We’re all interconnected, and we DO have an effect on each other. It’s called being human.”
What is life without interconnected emotional bonds? Psychopathy, maybe. Painless, yes; but loveless, too. I’ll take the pain with the love, any day. One thing that saved me in the beginning of the end was realizing I’d MUCH rather be the one hurting than the one laughing. It meant I was real.
And yes, WINNING is everything and we’ll never be fully out of harm’s way. Even if it’s not our ex-psychopath, it could be a brand new one. I will not let that happen; I’ll sniff him out, even if it takes years.
I was reading an article earlier today and have a question I am hoping someone can help me understand – In this article it stated that sometimes P-paths and I assume even spaths try to make their mates jealous or enjoy seeing their mates jealous – if this is the case, then why was it that when I could question my exspath about an incident or show any sign of jealousy he would get so angry at me and tell me that he couldn’t live his life everyday making sure that I didn’t feel “secure.” And he would always tell me that I am just a jealous person, it’s who I was and always would be – yet that wasn’t me and the reason I became the way that I did was because of all his lies and cheating ways. I didn’t enjoy being jealous or insecure – but needed him to help me feel secure yet he never could or wouldn’t.
So why is it that he may have enjoyed seeing me jealous and insecure, yet get so angry with me when I would “act” out – like question him or analyze a certain situation that made absolutely no sense to me so I would question him – and when I did that he would also tell me I analyze every little thing in my head – He literally made me feel like I was this crazy insane, person and I was the problem.
Donna, my son Patrick, though he has spent the VAST majority of his adult life in prison still considers himself a SUCCESSFUL person. WTF? DUH??? SUCCESSFUL? Not in my book, but by his own measure of how he has put it over on the guards time and time again, how he “showed me” that I couldn’t boss HIM around, how he “got Jessica” for ratting him out…yea,. by those measures he is a “success” but he doesn’t get it that the REST OF THE WORLD doesn’t agree with him.
During a heated argument with my sociopathic ex husband, I came out and called him a sociopath. He was HORRIFIED anyone would call him that. After all, no one ever accused him of that (yeah right). Somehow, he saw Rochelle’s article that was written on this site. Again, he was horrified. After all, he is a saint. He is above everyone else in the world. He felt terrible when I was going through my divorce/breast cancer fest. I mean, after all, he did give me a container of chicken soup (that was rancid and was thrown out). The article written by Donna (above) showed up on the perfect day for me. It made me feel better after I read it. I do believe, every dog gets it’s day. It may not be today. It may not be tomorrow. But it will happen. I am sure of it.