I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Open Eyes, RUN!!!!!!
Never Again, yeah mine was amazing in bed. It was like having sex with a prostitute, he had all the moves, none of the emotion. Turns out, that’s exactly what he was. LOL!
It was easy giving up sex with him though because of that lack of emotional connection. In fact, I began to notice that great sex last night = being ignored and abandoned by morning. Then he started to insist on bizarre orgies…that was the final straw.
But I stayed with him for 15 more years out of loyalty.
I guess we all have a lot to learn about being faithful: you to your partner and me to myself. I’d say both are faults in our boundaries.
Skylar
All 3 of my spaths were amazing sexually.
Spath 3 used to always want to lights on and the staring was very intense. Then I thought it was because he found me attractive, now I know it was because he was trying to create a bond with me. The thought of those eyes now makes me want to vomit. Also thinking back really the sex WASN’T all that great, he just had an amazing body that I enjoyed having sex with, he wasn’t even that good looking! It was only good because I am a good lover, he pretty much added nothing to the experience apart from lying there making noises like a bad porn actor!
My x-spath was a master of compartmentalization. Being a flight attendant facilitated such. In the short time he was with me, I eventually learned of several other men.
First was a Xmas fling during a trip to the Caribbean. I only learned of this after the fact and had assumed it was a last minute thing. I felt sorry for him too, “running” away from friends and family over the Holidays. Later on, when a friend posted pics on FB, not only was it obvious that he was sexing with the friend (arm around each other in several pictures) but it was a large group of flight attendants, so it had to be planned in advance. He made no mention of the planning. Now I know why he became defensive when I asked him if was going to see his sister for Xmas.
In one email, he alluded to a long night with a “new friend”, drinking and playing Guitar Hero. I was dissonant enough to believe this was a platonic night.
Finally, after one flight, he disappeared for two days. Typically, we had some daily contact and since this flight was to a dangerous African city, I was concerned. His excuse was that upon return he had many errands and emails and waited until he had time to craft a long one to me. Yeah right.
“You are important and I just did not want to send something hasty.”
I cannot believe how stupid and blind I was…
BBE’s
“You are importnat and I just did not want to send something hasty”.
Yeah. That was a trick piece of logic my spath tried to dump on me too translated: “Hey. It’s a BENEFIT to you that I treated you as if you didn’t exist.” Yeah. LOL.
OH my dear spath? %$#!! IN that case, PLEASE continue to be inconsiderate b/c I want the benefits…
Never Again and Skylar:
I know I need to get out of there, but I am so afraid to leave. I am so trauma bonded to him. I also feel like such a failure, and this is hard for a person who doesn’t believe in giving up on people. After all, I am a teacher and my spath has always taken advantge of my kind, caring, giving, and nurturing personality.
open eyes,
I understand. I was afraid too but in the end I ran away in the middle of the night with 5 cats and 3 computers because I knew — he told me — that the end was near for me.
You will have to start planning. Trust nobody unless you are certain. My spath had turned all my friends and family against me so that I had no one, but I didn’t know. It was only when I started to talk to them about the strange things going on that I started to figure it out.
Go to a DV shelter and ask for help in your planning to escape. The support will be invaluable. Use computers that you know he can’t access. Open an account that he doesn’t know about and start stashing money away. Get copies of important documents and put them in safe deposit box.
The trauma bond is an ADDICTION. You will need support to break it and when you go NC it will have to be permanent. Spaths are most dangerous when you leave them. They want revenge and they will try to get you back with the pity ploy and the charm, but once you are back in their clutches, there will be a price to pay.
Thank you, Skylar, for all of your helpful comments and suggestions. And yes, I have finally realized that I am addicted to this man and that getting away from him is basically the same as an alcoholic or drug addict breaking their addiction. Also, I know that I am going to need support in order to get away from him. It is just that, for some reason, my heart breaks when I think about leaving this relationship.
Truthspeak/Neveragain –
I would never have thought that the “gayworld” or “gay men” acted differently or had a different set of “rules” than hetrosexual males? Would this also be assumed for female lesbians? I have several friends (female and male) who are gay and they seem more “in love” and “committed” to one another than most of my hetrosexual married couples. I just spend the day before Xmas with my mix of friends and I was looking at one of my gay couple friends and her mate and I thought to myself, after 13+ years of being together they still act the “in love” – it’s amazing to see because they aren’t any different today towards one another than they were when they first met.
Neveragiain – above when you said “With my last spath, I do actually think he has entered the ’moving on’ stage in his current situation. Even though it is extremely comfortable for him, he is bored and his game is almost up”, although that was in a “gay” relationship I still can relate because I like you, have a “lucrative” job, but then so did my exspath. We “lived” comfortably to say the very least – we could plan a trip to Alaska in two weeks no questions asked type of living…But to me I didn’t care about that kind of stuff as much as he did – in any case, I think he too because “bored” – he “hooked” me three months into our relationship and I became the “main” girl, but he still had several others which kept his excitement level up. Looking back I now even see how angry he would get at me on occasions and I would think to myself WTF?? Apparently, I got into “trouble” (yelled at, ignored, he even withdrew from sex) when I may have tried to make plans with him, yet it put a damper on other plans he may have made with his other supplies.
I don’t think it has anything to do with gay or straight as both groups have open relationships. I also don’t think necessarily that sex and love are the same thing. Yes they both fit perfectly when things are in harmony, but you can have either without the other. As I said I think our relationship was failing and we made a choice to give an open relationship a try. It did work for a few years but in the end it was always going to be a recipe for disaster as far as I was concerned and that is exactly what it became. I had sex with other people, but I never stopped loving my partner and the sex we always had was completely different to the sex I had with strangers.
It is hard to explain why I accepted it and did it even though I didn’t want to. My only gay relationships before my partner were with 2 spaths so obviously my view on gay relationships apart from casual encounters was skewed and not very healthy at all. The ‘scene’ kinda perpetuates it even further as I thought it was just ‘what you do’ once you’ve been with someone for a few years and the sex starts to fade from the relationship. As I said before, I don’t think I know a single gay couple who are not in an open relationship, so it’s not like I knew any better.
Never_Again & Skylar – the sex w/ my exspath was off the chart and deep down he knew he was great. He would do the same things to me, start straight into my eyes, it was like he was piercing right through them and tell me he “loves me.” OMG, I now look back and feel like an moron! And to be quite honest, the sex wasnt OFF the CHARTS it’s just that I hadn’t been with anyone sexually in a while so the sexual excitement in the beginning was what hooked me – because as the relationship began to progress we had less sex – and it wasn’t me, it was him. Probably because he was cheating, but his excuse was his “testosterone” was low. In the beginning he told me he was diagnosed with low-T years ago and would take T shots. He was also taking Levitra. Well when he doesnt have an adequate amount of T he isn’t sexual – so when this happened, he would blame it on the Low-T….and at one point he took too many shots and all he could think of was sex. I must tell you all, this wasn’t under a physicians care. He was diagnosed with low-T by a physicians, tried the gels and patches or whatever it is and according to him the only thing that works were the shorts. Heck, I am not a physicians so of course, I believed what he said — i did see the vials of T in his drawers along with the Levitra – so again, by the time the sex became “boring” I was already hooked – We went from literally having sex 6-9 times a weekend and sometimes for hours at a time to hell maybe twice or once a week or sometimes none at all. But this again, according to the exspath attributed to two things 1) low -T or 2) me nagging at him and “Starting shit” as he would call it…..he withdraws when I would “start shit” – but it wasn’t starting shit over nothing, it was telling him how I felt or catching him in a lie…..
OpenEyes – I was in the exact same predicament, although not engaged to the exspath. Most of the girls he cheated on me with knew about me and I couldn’t understand how they could still sleep with him, knowing he was involved with me. Well come to find out, the women he was with, some of them were married…..I should have known to not get involved with him because he had cheated on his ex’s in the past. He has NEVER been faithful to anyone. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior….. If you marry this guy you are looking at a life of nothing but misery. You will start, if you haven’t already, to question yourself. You will start to think you’re unattractive (and trust me YOU’RE NOT!!!), you physique isn’t right, if you dressed differently then maybe he will want you, etc…..WHo wants a life like that? More over, you will get extremely depressed….Don’t let someone do this to you — You deserve so much better and trust me, even if he came home today and told you that he really loves you and realizes all the wrong that he did and he promises to be faithful….its a CROCK OF SHIT! Sorry to be so blunt, but men like this (because I can empathize with you) really get under my skin……I despise them — GET OUT, it’s scary at first and it’s difficult for the first few weeks, I am into 4 weeks of NC with my expsath and this week I have missed him so much — but not enough to pick up a phone to reach out to him. HELL NO!!!! I shed an occasional tear, but am quickly reminded about how much better I feel about myself today than I did a month ago! Get out and if you need to “Talk” that is what LF is here for — post away and talk it out….you will get through this!