I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
MoonDancer,
Above you stated “Perhaps I am just jaded, but at my age I seek friendship’s and companionship” and that you probably couldn’t trust another partner to be exclusive with just you because of what your exspath did.
That is the very thing that I am most afraid of — i have two specific friends of mine who are hetrosexual and one is female and one is male; both are in their late 30’s – mid early 40’s. They are both of the same mindset that they don’t think it’s possible for either of them to say monogamous with one person for the rest of the their lives; yet they are both in committed relationships – HE has been with his gf for 8 years and SHE has been with her bf for 5 years. I argue with them both all the time about this and although they don’t want their mates to go out and cheat, they have “accepted” the possibility that their mates will cheat — however, if they found out about it, both of them would instantly not be with them. I still don’t want to believe that people in general are more polygamous than monogamous –
I know i went a bit off topic, but it seems that a lot of spaths are unfaithful – but I also find most humans (normal people) are just as unfaithful, but of course, normal people don’t have all the other “lunatic” behaviors of spaths! 😉
denbro
Thomas Sheridan says in his book that spaths (both male and female) have very high levels of testosterone, so Lord knows why one of them would be increasing theirs if they had an excess already. Sounds more to me like he was addicted to the drug itself perhaps or he had so many women on the go even he couldn’t keep up with the amount of fish he had hooked. It really is quite unbelievable really!
As far as open relationships go, it’s not being unfaithful, it is an agreement usually with boundaries set up. Some couples will only do things together and not separately etc its different strokes really
Let me tell you how dysfunctional the gay world cane be. While I was dating the x-spath, I was very sick. As the long-timers here know, your “relationship” ended the day after he took me to the hospital and the doctors thought I was HIV+. There was no rapid test at the time, so I needed to wait for results.
Of course when the x-spath dumped me, I blamed myself over the HIV question. Talk about trauma bonding though, being dumped at the worst moment in my life by the person I cared for and trusted the most…
Once I got over the worst part of the Shingles, I went out, even though I still had other healths issues. Turns out I was not HIV+ but I later would learn I had Hep-B.
I went out to bars, but I was not going to risk the health of anyone, thinking I might still be communicable for the Herpes Zoster virus and the other illness (Hep-B) that was undiagnosed at the time. I met about 6 guys during the period. I was honest about being sick and not looking for quick sex but for dates. Only one guy went out with me on a date.
The rest all wanted sex. All of them continued to push for sex, even knowing I was sick. “You look OK…”
The guy who did go on a date with me was from Switzerland. After my second date with him, he told me that he did not want to see me again. He had already made up his mind that I was never going to me right for him and that he really liked me but did not want to get hurt.
That makes about 1/6 being functional, at least among those gay men on the scene in New York.
den bronco, 67% of married men think it is ALWAYS wrong to cheat, but 66% of all married men HAVE CHEATED AT LEAST ONCE in their marriage. So you know more cheat than don’t. I am not sure what the latest stats are on women but I think it is about 40% of them have cheated if I remember correctly (I may be wrong here) but it is a high percentage any way.
I have not dated much since my husband died except for the 8 months with the P BF, but every guy I have gone out with wanted sex right off the bat. That is not going to happen with me. First I want “health papers” on anyone I would even consider sleeping with. I wouldn’t let my dog be intimate with another dog that I didn’t know what diseases it had, so why would I crawl in the sack with a relative stranger and have sex?
Also I think that sex SHOULD be a “bonding ritual between two people who care about each other” not just a slam bam, thank you mam, but that’s just my opinion.
Sex releases BONDING HORMONES in normal people. Ps apparently don’t have the RECEPTORS for these hormones so are not “bonded” to those they sleep with. Normal people ARE bonded to those they sleep with at least on some level. Ii think this lack of bonding hormone receptors is why Ps are so sexually promiscious. I think they are looking for SOMETHING that they know we get from sex and they can’t figure out what it is and so they search endlessly for it with different partners. Maybe not, but that’s just my THEORY.
Many of them are neither gay nor straight but will fark anything that is stationairy including a snake if someone would hold it. Male female old or young. Doesn’t make any difference to them many times.
Ox Dover,
I have tried numerous times to go over in my head why in the heck my exspath had issues w/ being faithful – it wasn’t just with me as previously stated. When I posed that question to him “Why can’t you be faithful” I dont know what I expected him to say- it’s not like he was going to tell me the truth. He wouldn’t know the truth if it kicked him right in the ass!
When he first cheated on me, it was kind of like a ok i forgive you, just don’t do it again – we had only been dating two months. The second time it was more dramatic – I had gone snowboarding w/ my girlfriends ( no men) for the weekend, well come to find out a few weeks later, that was the weekend he decided to go screw around. When I asked him why – he replied to me with this candid look on his face, that almost looked like I was supposed to just kiss him on the forehead and say “that’s okay dear” and roll over and go to bed – but his reply was “Well you went away for the weekend, how do I know what you were up to?” I thought to myself you have got to freaking be kidding me – I gave him all the ins and outs of who was going, where I was staying, what time we were leaving and what time we would probably be back. Apparently, that wasn’t good enough for him – I only “wish” I was lavished in someone other sexy man’s arms at that time (just kidding, but its how i feel now). In that same conversation I was balling so hard, I asked him “can you be faithful” and at that moment, he looked at me and told me bluntly “I don’t know.” I guess even if he were going to lie a lie would have been better than hearing that in that very moment! I was flabbergasted – he proceeded to tell me that he couldn’t promise me anything – he didn’t want to make me a promise that he wouldn’t cheat again and then break that promise. That made me even more hurt and angry too – it’s like he knew that saying that would make me want him even more or something — so what did i do, I stayed with him almost 9 more months and in that 9 months he cheated on me several more times……I guess I should have listened to him when he told me he couldnt be faithful — yet I must add….the next time I caught him, his story changed – he could be faithful and he did want to be in a monogamous relationship with me and he could be in one too — talk about riding the cuckoo roller coaster – I was spinning out of control on it!
IN any case, I hate that in this lifetime I have to live with not trusting people and what they say – and in order for someone to gain my trust, it’s going to take them a very long time……I hate that he turned me into this type of person. I don’t know if it’s a good thing or bad thing?
He is only the second spath I have dated in the last 19 years….in between I have sane normal boyfriends, who of course, for some STUPID reason I pushed away because they were boring. Boy am i twisted in my thinking 🙁
“Sex releases BONDING HORMONES in normal people. Ps apparently don’t have the RECEPTORS for these hormones so are not “bonded” to those they sleep with. Normal people ARE bonded to those they sleep with at least on some level. Ii think this lack of bonding hormone receptors is why Ps are so sexually promiscious. I think they are looking for SOMETHING that they know we get from sex and they can’t figure out what it is and so they search endlessly for it with different partners. ”
Ox;
Right on. First, in is important to understand that sociopaths are not necessarily happy people, except when doing something exciting. My x-spath claims to be looking for a relationship, but it does not seem he ever had any meaningful one, because as a sociopath, he cannot bond, at least in the normal relationship way.
Thus, they meet people, have an attraction, have sex, do not get the bonding and move on to somebody else, ad infinitum.
My x-spath has one friend who clearly has an unrequited “love” relationship with the x-spath. There are pictures of these two, taken on their vacation when I met the x-spath. When I saw these pictures on FB, I was not only jealous but thought something might be going on, when in fact it was a one-way relationship.
Interestingly, during that vacation, the x-spath spent far more time with me than with this guy, but not once was the x-spath remotely as close physically — i.e. photo with his head leaning on the friend’s shoulder, another with his arm around the friend.
I could have easily become another unrequited “lover”…
den bronco, the psychopaths are exciting…that’s for sure, but I will take faithful over exciting any time now. LOL
When someone SOWS YOU WHAT THEY ARE, believe them THE FIRST TIME.
I no longer GIVE AWAY TRUST…it is earned and when betrayed, very very difficult to get back. This is the LIE FREE ZONE, it is the DISHONESTY FREE ZONE….and lie to me or be dishonest or irresponsible and you are OUT OF MY LIFE. Doesn’t matter what DNA we share or any thing else…OUT.
I hate THINNED my rolodex very thin, realizing finally that many of my relationships were relationSHITS…I don’t need those people in my life. I want honest, good, kind people in my life and if you dont stack up to that, what on earth do I want you around for?
I still get zinged once in a while, and I tend to fall for the love bomb, but anyone can be taken, and if you think you can’t you are lying to yourself. BUT I will still have relationships, just cautious ones. I no longer feel the NEEDYNESS I did after my husband died, Ii am content alone without a partner, though it would be NICE to have another good relationship but there is no line out my front door. LOL That’s the truth about older women, there are many many more of us “on the loose” than there are men, and if you take out the worthless creep guys, then there are probably 1 man for ever 100 available women, or 1,000 available women. LOL I have as much chance finding a nice guy I would be interested in as I do of winning the Lotto. LOL But that thought doesn’t make me want to cry any more.
Denbroncos007: Congratulations on your 4 week success with NC. You can do it and are doing the NC thing so very well!! I can’t wait until I get myself together and do the NC thing with my spath.
In terms of cheating with married women, my spath has had sex with his boss’ wife and even with many of his friends’ women. And yes, I tell him that he is beyond disgusting and that no decent man who professes to be a devout Christian would ever do any of the things that he does. I also tell him that he is committing adultery and breaking one of God’s Ten Commandments. He just gets angry, starts yelling, and telling me that I am so negative.
I definitely agree that sex has a bonding effect which is why I hated doing it and didnt do it often and hence why the once only rule was applied to our ‘agreement’. I would NEVER do it again and in fact I think if I ever split with my partner I think I would just spend the rest of my life alone. I don’t think I could ever trust another person on this planet with my emotions again after what I have been through now for the third time. I’d rather be happy alone.
Open eyes, tell him GOODBYE!
Never again, “normal” people feel that chemical bond inside the brain with sex, birth, and touching. Ps don’t.
NO one likes sex more than I do but I am not willing to risk my health physically or emotionally to get it from a partner. If and when I find someone I love, then I will consider it, til then I am solo.