I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Open Eyes – thanks for the words of encouragement. You too will get there and you’ll leave when you’re ready. A lot of us tell you to leave immediately because ultimately we all know that it’s in the best interest for you as a human being who deserves better — but at the end of the day, only you can decide when it’s best to leave and trust me, you will get there. 🙂 And when you get there, your LF Family will be here to help you through —
Ox Dover, it’s amazing to hear how content you are with being alone. Ever since my first husband, whom I met when I was 15, married him when I was 20, then divorced him when I was 22 — i have NEVER been w/o a man. I have always had “someone” in my life. I think it’s because (I admit) I am “Afraid” to be alone; this is something that I’m “exploring” and working on w/ my therapist; I’m sure a lot has to do w/ my upbringing — In any case, when I would break up with a bf or he would break up with me, within a month, I would be with someone. I also admit that I would almost immediately sleep with them too – in my head, I attached emotions and commitment to the act of having sex. Just about every single one of my relationships has lasted 1+ years, so none have been a few weeks or a month. When I sleep with someone, my emotions immediately get involved and I get attached to the person.
For example, with my ex spath, it was so different than most. We talked for a good month and he won me over with his words (hooked me is more like it) – we hadn’t even been out on a date or anything….It was like we saw one another in person through being out with mutual friends – then we started talking, non-stop, all the time, we met up, had sex and that was the start of a year and 1/2 worth of chaos!
There are alot of people, who think it is impossible or unatural to be monogomous. I hear physcologist, physciatrist saying this. It makes sense but i dont agree.
My x cheated on me right under my nose and I didnt want believe it. I was devastated when I learned of his cheating but kept taking him back.
But if I had cheated on him he would of killed me.
As I look back on my life and the partner’s I have chosen, well they were all cheaters and liers and con artist….
I just dont want to deal with the drama.
It will just never work for me because the other guy will always be a wild card – with my track record anywho..
And I am really ok with that, I have my four legged family and they are all neutered or spayed.
den bronco, yea, pretty much me too…not long without a man in my life. Fortunately my last marriage/relationship before the P was 20 years married and 20 years previous to that good friends. I still miss him, but the acute sadness is gone. One previous to my husband was 4 years and he was a good man, but not one I wanted to marry or be with forever. He was more in love with me, but I loved him more as a friend not a life mate. I shouldn’t have gone with him feeling like that, I hurt him badly when I left. I never lied to him but he kept HOPING I would change my mind and marry him.
When my husband died I felt so old, fat, alone, woe is me, no one will ever love me again, and presto, along came the psychopath to woo me…and I felt like a million bucks….but it didn’t last long before there was more pain than joy…broke up wit him, then grieved that and had to go back to grieving my husband and finish that up. Lots of grief since the plane crash in July 2004…but healing started in the summer of 2007—actually, lots of grief since January 1992 when Patrick killed Jessica Witt. Then in 1993 my step son got killed in a car wreck, so there has been a long line of grief. Had “drama rama” from 1986 when Patrick started his criminal career. Cleaning out my office over the holiday I found my old diary from back then and the day he fled Dallas and came up here to live in Ark with my egg donor was in Dec 1986…she took him in against my will…he went right back into criminal activity while living at her house. He never stopped since then, so that is 27+ years of continual criminal activity. Non stop even though he has been in prison over 22 of those years. Yea, lots of grief and drama, and I am ENJOYING the peace and QUIET. (In spite of the fact I am having to work on his parole protest which is anxiety producing) There are no other stress producing people in my life right now.
MoonDancer –
I hear ya loud and clear – My exspath made sure that I put an “end” to all my male friends and I expected the same (which he said he did, but well of course, he didn’t). Anyhow, he made it clear upfront that he wouldn’t tolerate any of my male friends and/or me ever cheating. Well like any “normal person” I felt that if I expected the same in return then of course, I wouldn’t dare direspect him by cheating on him and/or continuing to “talk” to my male friends – I have ALWAYS had more male friends growing up than female friends – I get along with them a lot better than females. But a lot of my male friends, were just that…friends. In any case, I understood where my exspath was coming from and I didnt want to start out with any disrespect, lying, or any drama! Funny thing….he always told me I must like the drama and I always bring up stuff because I thrive off of it – and although I admit I enjoy excitement, I would always tell him that i don’t enjoy this type of drama, me questioning his sincerity, me questioning why he would withdraw from me, or why I continued to catch him in lies, or why i was suspicious – to him this was ALL drama and he had the nerve to tell me he “just wants to be happy” and not live his life like this — I thought you arrogant SOB (and that is giving him too much credit), I didnt CREATE THIS BU**SH&! what a flipping moron! I am working to get to that point of it’s “ok” to be alone. I would much rather be alone and happy than with someone and purely miserable. I just hope I am not so vulnerable that i fall for this type of person again!
Ox Dover – you have been through so much, look back at all you endured and in the end you prospered and came out the winner! Good for you! I only hope that one day I can get to the place you are — here is my issue though. I dont want to sound conceited because I am so far from it – but why is it that when I am down and out (like now) any man that even tries to pick up on me or flirt or whatever, I am not interested because the man i “think” I want, doesnt want me (my expspath); he tossed me aside like garbage.
Like you, my 2nd husband was the perfect MAN, if there is such a thing, I honestly say he is the perfect man — yet I am so messed up in the head that I took advantage of him and found him to be too boring so put this distance between us and well a person can only take so much of that before they tell you “it’s just not working.” My split from him was so normal – it was hard, hurtful, but so different than the one w/ the spath — and I now know it’s because I was dealing with two different guys – normal man vs someone i can’t even call a man…..
Just hope someday there will come a day when I quit giving the exspath any of my energy becasue right now I do feel by him crossing my mind each and every day and me thinking about things, he continues to get energy from me and I just don’t like that — I am trying to stay so busy that it doesnt happen, but that’s hard to do….
Moon dancer
As I said yesterday, what we all must realise is that after having the ‘perfect love’ of a psychopath, it is difficult to accept ‘real love’ from a REAL person. We MUST get over this! The supposed ‘perfect love’ was a LIE! An illusion ‘created’ specifically for us by a LIAR with the sole intention of destroying us! Real love takes time to grow between 2 people and we MUST accept this and not expect the sparks we received from someone who instinctively knew how to manipulate us and our bodies natural systems to create the illusion of this AMAZING love that did not exist.
You are never going to feel that kind of love from a normal person and we must realise that. In fact with my 3rd spath that was the dead giveaway for me that something just was not right. I LOVED this person who I didn’t even know or even like ONE LITTLE BIT! It’s the trauma bonding, it is not real love!
denbro
They all THRIVE on drama and turn the drama onto us and make us believe it is us who creates it. Its all a part of the gas lighting in my opinion. They make us feel like we are always doing something wrong, so we are constantly feeling guilty and our guilt ties us to them and makes us feel sorry for them and horrible about ourselves. It’s just another lie!
Oh that guilt…..that gut clenching, sweaty palms, hyper vigilant guilt….!! My Spath step daughter can wield those swords of guilt with such keen accuracy it is AMAZING !!!! That comment above was so right on..Even with a year of NC I can still feel when one hits me….question friends…we live in a pretty small town and I was wondering if anyone has any advice on what to do when you just happen to run into your NC Spath somewhere…it hasn’t happened yet, but eventually it probably will…and I want to be prepared…should I just act like I don’t know her? What if she were to speak to me? See how they work….I am worried about a “what if”….I just don’t want her to see me nervous or do anything that would make me look weak…thoughts?
Creampuff, the “guilt” for me was self-inflicted because of my own deep shame-core. “Shame” is the basis of “guilt” and the two are intertwined. One doesn’t typically exist without the other, especially for those who were raised in dysfunctional family environments like mine.
You’re asking a lost of “What If?” questions which is a very, very typical behavior for people in recovery, and I am NO exception. It’s an attempt to predict, and nobody (even a trained professional) can “predict” how any given scenario will play out. You don’t want the spath to see that you’re nervous, and I am going to ask a very pointed and direct question: what do you have to feel nervous about?
It’s not a question meant to be mean or harsh, but think about the answer for a good while. What, on earth, do you believe might happen? Do you believe she’ll verbally or physically attack you? Do you believe that she’s going to stand wherever she is and begin screaming untruths about you? Think long and hard about your answer to this question about what you feel you should be nervous about.
Then, when this overwhelming anxiety about meeting the spath starts spiraling out of control, take note of where you are, at that very moment. Say it out loud to yourself, “I am standing in my kitchen with a cup of coffee in my left hand and a piece of bacon in my right hand.” Then, begin to take note of where your extremeties are and say, out loud, “My left hand is 7 inches above the counter and I was setting the coffee cup down. My right hand is preparing to place a piece of bacon in my mouth. I am standing with my right leg supporting most of my weight and my left knee is touching the seat of the chair at the kitchen table.” Take note of the air temperature, weather conditions outside, and any aromas that you can identify. This exercise was taught to me by my counseling therapist and it really, really works after it’s practiced a few times.
When she first taught me this technique of “Staying In The Now,” I looked at her as if she’d turned into an asparagus. REALLY? You want me to talk to myself about where my fingers are on my steering wheel? THIS is what’s going to help me manage this crippling anxiety?! REALLY!?!?! Oh, boy…..I thought (quite honestly) that she was just giving me a bunch of verbal bullshit because she simply wanted me OUT of her office so she could get back to more important things than dealing with me! Seriously! But, it works, Creampuff, it really does.
Feelings are real – they are real and true. We FEEL certain ways and that’s okay. But, our feelings typically are not based upon facts. And, that’s how the anxiety spirals out of control. We feel something, so therefore that feeling must be based upon fact, and that isn’t true.
So, brightest blessings to you and hugs of encouragement
Denbronco, the “excitement” that they show and the “love bomb” really give us a “thrill” and make them so desirable. a “normal” guy doesn’t love bomb us and so he may appear “dull” by comparison.
It takes a while to get them out of your head. I remember after the break up with my P BF after my husband died I was so depressed and felt so long, so undesirable and I was so NEEDY for another relationship, so afraid to be alone. But OVER TIME I came to be more content, and I worked on it…and realized that I don’t want anyone who isn’t reliable (thus today’s article) or responsible. I want someone who is intelligent and funny, caring and kind….and not many of them out here in the woods looking for an old woman, but that’s okay…because I am intelligent and funny, caring and kind, and I love myself! That’s enough.
Cream puff
That is my biggest fear at the moment, what ‘if’ I every run into this person. TBH I would just completely ignore their presence, even if they spoke to me I would just walk right on by. If they grab you or yell at you or whatever it is on them and people around you will see that. I refuse to give this person anymore of my time or emotion, life is too short!
I will now tell you about ‘running into’ my last spath a few years ago, it is so unbelievable to me still today. I returned to my home country for a visit and I went out for a few drinks with a friend of mine. We walked into the bar we always used to go to when I lived there and the place was totally EMPTY, not a single person in there apart from the barman. Then about 10 seconds after we entered, my ex spath entered the bar from the toilets at the back. It was UNBELIEVABLE! It was EXACTLY 10 years TO THE DAY, that I met this ‘person’ in that bar and it was around the exact time in the evening that we had met. My friend and I just looked at each other in TOTAL disbelief, shook our heads and BURST out laughing!
The spath did not say a WORD to either of us and went and sat outside. We ended up moving outside and sat at the opposite end of the beergarden to the spath. About an hour later his next ‘victim’ arrived and the 2 sat together all night. Not once did he acknowledge our presence. A few hours later after my friend left and I had had a number of drinks I approached the spath and just said hello, he said he hadn’t noticed me there all night! REALLY? We were the only 3 people in there! ‘still a liar huh’ I said to him after he said it and I got ‘the smirk’. We chatted for probably 5 minutes and that was it, I left and went home.
Now that was 10 years in between seeing him and for the next 2 days even though nothing bad was said and it had all been quite pleasant, I sat at home and cried. I had NO idea how or why this person still had this effect on me. I was not jealous of him being with someone else or still in love with him or anything, it was just kind of like my entire body and emotions just collapsed on me at the mere presence of this person again in my life.
The most shocking thing to me was that he had become a police officer after failing psychological testing at least twice before and after we were together and yet still eventually they took him in.
well shut my mouth but that tell’s ya alot about people in law inforcement.