I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Cream puff, I DID RUN INTO THE EGG DONOR at Wal lMart’s, and she waited for me at the end of thhe check out line. The biatch that was her driver/maid that spread all kinds of tales about hhow mean I was to my mommy was with her.
Egg donor said “Now, honey,, don’t be like that” when I tried to push past her, and reached out to get my arm. I LOST IT.
I got up in the biatch’s face, backer her up against thhe sack holder and said “YOU shut your mouth and stop telling lies about me” She stuttered and tried to say something and about that time my son C who was with me pulled me off her and we left.
Another time my X BF who lives about 4 hours away, SHOWED UP AT THE LOCAL AUCTION WHERE I GO, and where he knew he would see me…he spoke to me “Hi lady” and I did NOT RESPOND TO HIM AT ALL. TOTAL “POTTED PLANT” ROUTINE, where you just pretend you didn’t hear it, like if you thought you heard a potted plant speak you would not respond. So anyway, it did really make me NERVOUS. But the best way is to just keep on walking, pretend you don’t hear them and keep going. As much as you can pretend you are not upset that is good too (GRAY ROCK) so expect it and prevent it if you can but when it happens, just walk on by.
Oxy
I am afraid of doing what you did to your egg donor, but I know I have to play it cool because I have no doubt I would pay dearly for doing it. I think I am rid of him for now, but if ever does get hold of his partners money, I’m pretty sure anyone who ever escaped from him will be taken care of. He is such a mental, vicious, vendictive little toad!
Thanks all….love the “in the present” exercise…will have to try that….Oxy, I also love your balls in handling your run in!!! I feel better….like you said…what’s she gonna do? It’s just that icky feeling I get in her presence …but I know I have to rise up and just take back my own authority…quit feeling like I have to hide from her….I also like the potted plant thing…good advice!
It was not the egg donor whose face I got up in but the biatch who worked for her that was going around spreading stories that I had stolen from my mother and abused her….I just shrugged off the egg donor’s hand off my arm.
I shouldn’t have lost it with the biatch, because it didn’t change anything, or make her not spread more rumors. The biatch got killed in a car wreck a few months later so I don’t have to deal with her any more. I still hear some of the stories though from time to time that I know were spread from her lying drama queen mouth.
Sometimes we “snap” and lose it, but the best approach is the potted plant. Just pretend they are a potted plant talking and you are not going to answer back. NO RESPONSE IS A GOOD RESPONSE. I did do that with the X-BF P.
Spath/sis M & Nice/sis J will have 60th & 50th birthdays this year. Come July, they and their’ families & 2 aunts (10 people in total) are coming home from Australia, to Scotland for a holiday and to have a huge joint birthday celebration party. All extended family in UK will be invited, as it will be the only opportunity for everyone to meet-up. They plan to rent an appartment in town for their stay.
My son D(19) & daughter C(13) want to see all their’ cousins as they don’t have any others who live close by.
Spath/M is not just another guest, but the main attraction with sis J. If I don’t go, my extended family will believe I am bitter and snubbing them and will take it personally (they don’t “get it”). If I do go, I can ignore spathy BUT I can’t protect my children (who don’t “get it” and are nice by nature) from “ITS” manipulations. My nephew, spathy’s son is only a little older than my son and my brother (enabler) and his family will be there too.
Spathy I can deal with (Grey Rock etc..)but it’s the havoc “IT” wreaks with other good relationships that I’m struggling with.
Truth is, I would like to go for my nice sis J but I will NOT play “Happy Families” and my children are my “vulnerability”
Already, several good family members are accusing me of denying my children their chance of socialising with family they don’t see very often.
Spathy’s abuse is minimised and I’m just viewed as bitter and a troublemaker for not responding to spathy’s attempts to forgive and forget. Family are angry with me for refusing to behave as they believe I should. Well that’s a shame because I quite like the real me.
Bitter? NO 🙁
Wiser? YES 🙂
Hi all,
I’m new to this site/situation. I never thought that I would become someone’s prey and believe in something that was so false. I have already read so much that has helped me see what I am actually dealing with and that I am not alone, or stupid for letting this happen.
I became involved with a married man that I work with. I had known him for years, he actually became my protege and good friend before we became involved. I now know that this was all just his stratagy.
This is the short version of our relationship…our friendship progressed, he confessed that he’d always been interested in me and that he had never had an affair. We crossed the line and started having a secret relationship. He showered me with attention, nonstop messages and calls. The relationship was extremely intense – in all aspects.
By complete chance, I happened to see a the email inbox screen of a woman we work with – it was filled with emails from him. I confronted him, and he said they were friends and he had been discussing a tv show with her.
My curiousity got to me and I accesed his emails. I found out that I was one of many. I confronted him, he lied, I told him what I had seen and he finally admitted to some of it.
At first I thought he had a relationship addiction. But after seeing all of his emails and talking to the other woman at work, I realized that he is a sociopath or boderline with sociopathic tendancies. I can even see him using the same techniques/lines with the other woman. I can even see himself ‘mirroring’ them. I have told him that he is a sociopath and he agrees. He says he has cut off contact with the other girls, I know that to be at least partly true. He even asked for my help to get him ‘better’.
I was pretty traumatized by this. Why did this happen? What was true? What was a lie? Did he mean those things he said at all? Sometimes it just feels so surreal. I have a need for closure that will never happen. Put complete faith in something that never really was. And even though I know it isn’t good for me, I still want him. Want to help him, want to be with him in some way. I find it impossible to resist the urge to reach out to him. And unless I find a new job, I am going to have to see him almost every day. I realize now that this is becasue of the trauma/betrayal bond that I now have with him.
I plan on seeing a therapist after the 1st of the year. There are so many types, and so many different areas of specialty. Does anyone have any recommendations for therapist types/specialty?
Moving
First of all stop believing his lies and get out of the relationship NOW!
He will NEVER change, they do not ‘get better’ he is trying to make you feel sorry for him to strengthen the ‘trauma bond’ and bring you back ‘into his game’.
GET OUT OF IT NOW!
All I have to say is RUN FOR YOUR LIFE AND NEVER LOOK BACK!
Run Forrest ….Run……it’s a game….you are suffering and he’s having a ball….you are a mouse…he’s the cat…Run
“As I said yesterday, what we all must realise is that after having the ’perfect love’ of a psychopath, it is difficult to accept ’real love’ from a REAL person.”
I think it was never-again who stated the above. This is the EXACT thing I have been struggling with for about a week! For some reason, maybe the holidays, I’ve been “missing” the ex a lot. But what I miss is the “fantasy” the in-between nice gestures which weren’t real. I always watch love stories and see how people on the screen talk and think to myself “oh my gosh” I then turn to my daughter to remind her what she sees on TV is NOT REALITY, yet how the hell did I fall for that fantasy bullshit that I know deep down is not real? What’s real is everything outside of what we see on TV…
Yet I got trapped in the fantasy