I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
I’ve done the research, and I know that he is what he is. And I know that he still is doing the same thing, even if it’s to a lesser extent. I’m also in a long-term committed relationship (please don’t judge). So I did think that someone could cheat on their wife but not on me – that what I was doing. He and I often kidded that we were having an ‘exclusive extra-marital affair.’
I didn’t expect that we were going to run away together and start our own life. I actually thought he was waaay to clingy in the beginning and that I should end it. But it took hold of me in a way that I didn’t think was possible.
I have threatened to let his wife (who is his meal ticket) know what he is doing. He starts crying and begging. I told him that if he is dishonest with me again, I’m going to assume he needs a family intervention and pass my info on.
He is actually on vacation right now. I decided I would not contact him at all. He text me early this morning, and I had replied before I even had a chance to think it through.
Moving
Mine was an affair too, nothing to be ashamed of. That shame is a big part of what and how he is keeping you there and how he made his bond to you in the first place. Don’t threaten him anymore, just let go of him. Your obvious pain is coming through in every word you type I can feel it and I’ve been right there in your shoes.
He dragged you in quickly and before you knew it you felt stuck there. It’s the same story every time, just look around this site, its always the same.
I know it’s hard but PLEASE use this time while he is away to go No Contact. You will find in as little as a few days that you will start to feel better, more like YOU again and then things will become so much clearer.
DON’T blame yourself. DON’T feel stupid. You’re a wonderful, loving human being THAT is why he chose you. PLEASE don’t let him destroy that any more than he already has! Let go and begin to heal, we are all here for you!
Thank you all for the words of wisdom and confirmation of the harsh reality.
I am going put everything I have into N C while he’s away from the office. I actually may take off a few days at the end of his vacation, so that I don’t have to look at him for a while longer.
The work situation will be difficult. But I have to for me, right?
It’s already helped, just posting about it. because our relationship was a secret, I haven’t been able to talk about it with anyone except him.
Moving
That is the first step TALKING ABOUT IT! It’s not a dirty little secret anymore, you should feel VERY proud to have made your first step!
Is there anyway you can find another job or get the little worm fired for humping half the building? A lot of places have very strict rules about that sort of thing. In reality it is best to get him TOTALLY out of your life, but I understand its very hard when you have to see someone every day. Read up on ‘gray rock’ on this site. Thankfully I didn’t have to deal with that, mine slunk away back to hell where they came from.
moving past the facade:
I was offline for awhile while I traveled back home for the holidays.
Everyone on here knows my story and it sounds so much like yours. I won’t say exactly, but VERY close. The only thing that sounds different is that I am single and not in a relationship. PLEASE take this advice from someone who has been in your situation. You MUST get out of that relationship. The only other thing I can say is that if you are not strong enough to let go, you will eventually when the relationship “runs its course” and you have no other choice. I LEFT a very good job because this also happened to me at work. I couldn’t stand to stay there any longer and see him I was that in love with him. I worked there 12 years…that’s a long time to just walk away from, but I felt I had no other choice at the time. Same scenario…he was married, he was also sleeping with another woman in my office, she would show me Instant Messages and other communications he was sending her…on and on. I don’t know what is going on in your situation, but I will tell you…the other woman in my office was telling me that she was no longer seeing him, but she WAS! So do NOT believe HIM or the other women. They probably most likely are still seeing each other. Plus, he is still married!!!! This will never amount to anything especially if he is not willing to ever get divorced. That is how the one I knew was…sleeping with everyone left and right and no intentions whatsoever to ever divorce. He was separated though for an entire year, but still ended up going back to his marriage and even after that, he was still pursuing women!! They just don’t change or stop. This is the way I have looked at it… we don’t change who we are…they are not going to change who they are. In other words, fundamentally, I am a compassionate, caring, kind, generous person. That basis of my being is not going to change. If he is a cheating person, he basically is also not going to change. We are who we are. You can do what you want to do. I am not preaching, but just don’t expect a great outcome. These things never work out well in the end.
Geez, I am actually wondering if you work where I used to work?? It’s really making me think…hmmmmm.
never_again and moving past the facade:
Good luck with trying to report someone for having inappropriate relationships at work. I worked at a HUGE company that has strict rules in place and I did report him anonymously and they did NOTHING! This is how charming he is. He gets away with EVERYTHING! Other men have been fired at my former company for doing what he has done (and probably still doing), but they did nothing with him. I guess he is too valuable. But he is a huge liability to them. I hope someone eventually sues them because they did nothing with him when they KNOW what he is doing. That is so wrong.
I’m actually his boss’s boss’s boss…so I.can’t implicate myself that way. And a career move isn’t possible for me right now either. There is only one other person ay our job. She believes he is just trying to be her friend, she actually does know a little about he and I. Seeing his emails to her….I know what his intentions were/are.
I just have to be strong and talk to someone other than him about my hurts and his actions.
moving past the facade:
Oh, I see. It was the opposite way down the food chain for me. I was five levels below him…haha! How stupid I was. Oh, well…
Moving,
Have you blocked his emails,deleted him as a contact in your cell phone?I couldn’t figure out why I wasn’t sucessful blocking my husband’s emails at first.It was because first,I had to remove his address from the safe senders list.I thought going NC would be very difficult,but in fact,it has added to my peace of mind!I can think more CLEARLY….which is what the spath fears!It would be wonderful if you could get a job elsewhere…..even if just in a different dept or office!
moving past the facade:
In your original post, you said that after you accessed his emails, you realized you were one of many (so was I). Then, if I understood you correctly, you said that it’s only you, him and the other lady in the office…very small. So where are all the other women from in all the emails? Just curious…