I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
It’s amazing how these spaths think they are above everyone else. My ex thought everybody was beneath him, or at least that’s how he talked. Any mistakes that happened in his job was always because everyone else is stupid and he was the best at what he does. Yeah ok if he says so!
Once when I told him I wanted to end his affair with this married women on the phone in front of me, he flat out refused and said he wasn’t going to humiliate himself like that for anyone. I didn’t see it as humiliation as much as I saw it as a man trying to save his relationship with me and make me feel at ease! The idiot then turned around and used an example of how if he got pulled over by cops and they asked him if they could search his car he said he would tell them hell no! It’s an invasion of his privacy and they could go get a warrant. Don’t ask me why he correlates cops to me asking him to end his affair on the phone in front of me have in common but he uses that as an analogy
He only cares about how he feels, how he looks and he THINKS he looks or portrays this certain image when really I think people see right through him!
Even his best friend once told him that his personality is like night and day at any given moment!
Also, my spath says he ‘prayed to G-d to find someone who loves him who he can love in return’. Not long after that, we reconnected after 38 years. So, of course, I was the gift from G-d. I really believe he does not know what is wrong with him. I was wife #4. And, in typical sociopath style, all the exs are crazy. His problem? He made ‘wrong choices’ in wives/girlfriends. It was always them…never him. There were LOTS of girlfriends, but he was very closed mouthed about past relationships. His sisters know what he is, but blood is thicker than water. I had many conversations with them during my problematic marriage. I would relay situations, they would agree with me. Right before we got married, his sisters told him not to ‘screw this up’ because I was the best thing that every happened to him. Now I have been marked as the crazy one. Go figure….
Rochelle
I agree… According to my ex, I’m the lunatic but so are all his other exs! They were all immature or too boring or cheaters or stalkers… He was the sane one yet now I wonder if he was so same why couldn’t he pick same women or better yet why couldn’t he make his marriage or any relationship for that matter work?
denbroncos, mine was exactly the same way. He is a VP at his company. He thinks he is the cat’s nuts. He tells everyone he meets that he is a VP. And, of course, he is so GREAT at what he does and they absolutely LOVE him. THEY DON’T KNOW HIM. They only know the facade he puts up. I believe there was one guy there that got it. He worked very closely with my ex, left the company for a lower paying job and could not even stay for his 2 weeks notice. One day, he told a co worker, “I can’t take another minute of this guy (meaning my ex)” and walked out. It is the only job he ever held for more than a minute.
Den—were we married to the same man?????
Mine used to tell me about ex girlfriends hitting him. More than one took a swing at him, so he says. That’s something I believe. I wanted to knock his lights out myself. I can understand how frustrated these women got with him. And his habits! I was not allowed to chew gum or even have gum in my mouth. And G-d forbid I was eating a hard candy and it hit my tooth. Forget crunching potato chips or anything crispy. It would drive him nuts. He did not like when anyone chewed. We could not sit by anyone in a movie theater eating popcorn. He belongs in a rubber room.
Hahaha that’s funny! I told mine that they don’t make manuals on how to be with people like him…. Because either people get smart & leave there sorry asses or they are so beat down that they don’t even know how to leave!
I think my ex belongs in a bubble… One that can float off into Neverland, preferably to the darkest cold place there!
It’s so strange how these men have such similarities! I want to take my fairy wand, fly around the world zapping each of these monsters on the head so they disappear like fine dust!
Ok back to reality, they exist and will exist so now we must get stronger to deal with them… Or wait, I mean so we don’t have to deal with them!
denbroncos007 wrote: ” In this article it stated that sometimes P-paths and I assume even spaths try to make their mates jealous or enjoy seeing their mates jealous ”“ if this is the case, then why was it that when I could question my exspath about an incident or show any sign of jealousy he would get so angry at me and tell me that he couldn’t live his life everyday making sure that I didn’t feel “secure.”
Because he wasn’t truly angry… he acted at being angry, to make you feel like the crazy one, to make you feel ashamed and bad and guilty. That’s exactly how spaths perform “crazymaking”. They do something to causes one response from you (disappointment, distrust, anger, pain, grief), but then make you feel guilty, planting the idea that you must be paranoid, have insecurity issues, or are such a drama queen.
True rage and anger with a spath is calculatedly cold. It’s not hot, fiery, passionate, bellowing or dramatic. It is very calculated and exacted with disinterest. When spaths shout, curse, wave their fists… they’re on a theatre stage, just as much when they profess undying love.
I will give an extended response to this tomorrow. For now, to the question “Does it run in families?”
Absolutely. At the age of 4 years old, x-spath was abandoned by his father. He hated his father so much that he refused to attend his father’s funeral. I do not know the details, but I can only assume that his father must have continued to act in an embarrassing fashion that we known to my x-spath, perhaps a local drunk or criminal.
My ex spath is entering my life again and I don’t know how to stop. I am posting because I really need some help and some direction. I am scared and hurting and so confussed. I was with my ex spath for about 5 years. He lied constantly with no remorse, he cheated repeatedly although he never admits to it. He was violent and I believe he hurt my son, and he hurt his own 3 children. He had broken my ribs on 2 separate occasions, gave me a black eye, fractured my tail bone, and the best part is he threw me out of a van on the freeway and i got my leg stuck in the door, so he dragged me a little bit. He broke the bone behind my eye as well. He went to jail twice and i took him back each time, and visited him religously in jail and spent all my money sending him large weekly care packages. Honestly, that is the short version of what he has done. For whatever reason, I continued to stay with him after we lost the house that we lived in togeter and i moved in with my dad. (mind you i am a grown woman with 2 children). I continued to see him until up about a month and a half ago when he broke up with me by text message with no explanation. I did not see or talk to him since then. I have cried my heart out and i feel so lost and depressed on a daily basis. I tear up at work multiple times a day and some days i find it so hard to be interested in anything. I have lost myself and who i am. About a week ago i ran into him driving by and he waved at me. he ended up calling me and at first i ignored it, but then i couldnt resist to answer his calls because he left me a voicemail and texted me stating he missed me and loved me. Of course, that was my weak point. I ended up meeting up with him, after he ditched me the night before and did his usual emotional bashing of me, leaving me on the phone with him in the middle of the mall crying loudly and everyone staring at me. We met up the next day and had sex (unfortunately he is a huge weakness in that way as well). He took me out Friday night and we spent the night in a hotel on Saturday night. However we spent a lot of the time arguing because he picks fights with me over my feelings. He was playing mind f%$@....... games with me and was telling me he should have thrown me out of a car again, all while he had a pocket knife in his hand threatening to kill himself. I don’t know what is wrong with me and I don’t know why I feel that I love this man so much. I am so devistated and destroyed by what he has done to me and my life, but I feel that I can’t live without him I am so desparate to find help and not continue this unhealthy cycle anymore, but I also feel like no one will ever love me again, nor will I be able to give love again. I don’t trust anyone, including myself. Please, is there anyone with any insight or any direction you can give me that will help me on my road to recovery? I am so lost and need help. I can’t keep living my life every day like this. I feel so lonely and depressed and I’m afraid of what my future looks like living this way.