I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
If we can’t speak up straight at LF, then WHERE can we?
Spaths use our desire to be “polite” against us.
There is no judgement here because we’ve ALL been there and done that. We all let our boundaries be penetrated. That’s how they got us and destroyed us.
Anyone who has studied the spaths for very long knows that they are the epitome of evil. So we can use “morality” to protect ourselves against them. This can get complicated since “morality” is different in different cultures, but without getting into all the complexities we CAN just look at how we expect others to act and then NOT make excuses for the spath or for ourselves about why it’s okay for US to break that rule. That’s narcissism.
It starts off learning about them and ends up with learning about US.
Skylar, I am so sorry about your beloved Jasper cat. As I recall he was a yellow Tabby, yes?
When I had to put my siamese down about 9 years ago because he had Lymphoma, it broke my heart. They become so dear to us. Scout was my most loyal friend and companion, and I miss him to this day.
Just know that Jasper had a good life with you and he knew he was loved…..you will keep him in your heart forever.
Have you reads the Rainbow Bridge? I’ll see if I can find it for you.
Again, I am so sorry. 🙁 ((((hugs)))))
If someone is banging their thumb with a hammer over and over and yellling “Oh, it HURTS!” Sometimes the best thing is to say STOP HITTING YOURSELF IN THE THUMB WITH THE HAMMER AND EVENTUALLY YOUR THUMB WILL STOP HURTING. Giving them a band aid or a pain pill or a “poor baby, I’m so sorry your thumb hurts” doesn’t do much either.
I don’t think she would be here if she wasn’t hurting, and didn’t want the hurting to stop, but as long as she keeps banging her thumb the pain will continue…it will continue for a while after she stops hitting it (boy do we ever know that one!!!!!!) but it will never quit until she does stop banging it.
I spent nearly 30 years in denial with my son Patrick…and until I got real and realized that I had to accept the truth and ACT on the truth there was no way my pain would have even gotten better much less healed. I had to learn to BE HONEST in many ways…and quit being dishonest…with others and with myself as well. I still ain’t perfect, far far from it, but at the same time, I can’t expect others to be honest with me if I am not honest with them, and if I am not honest in my dealings myself.
Never said he and his partner had an “open” relationship before his fling with the psychopath–that doesn’t float MY boat, but I am not criticizing it in their relationship, I don’t see his affair as “cheating” but I don’t think Moving past indicated that situation, and she in fact is the supervisor of the said man, which leaves her in an ethically bad situation if it gets found out, maybe leaving her open to a law suit or losing her job or both.
So while she is probably attracted to this relationshit, she needs to realize that if she continues it, it WILL lead to big problems for her eventually. It may anyway. I wish her well in healing and suggest that she hang around here. I don’t know any easier way to say it. If someone else does, please let them do so.
Kim,
🙁
yeah I know that he knew. He was so wonderful and yes, I call it orange tabby, but some people say yellow. I love orange cats. His brother, Julian, was the one that my spath killed just to destroy my faith in God. Didn’t work.
He was the very best boy that was ever born. He had such a good heart. He protected Julian whenever he could. He was so loyal and so good hearted. He knew what the spath was, long before I did.
No I don’t think I’ve read the rainbow bridge.
Thanks for commiserating with me. 😥
Skylar,
http://www.our-happy-cat.com/rainbow-bridge.html
OxDover & MoonDancer- I agree with both of you. Having been on both sides of the cheating spectrum and more recently being the victim of my exspaths cheating ways, I think I can say with confidence ( and I believe I’ve mentioned it in another list) that when my spath asked me to cut off contact with all my male friends I did so, thinking he was going to do the same. As most of you know my story, the exspath cheated time and time again and I had every single right to expect and demand monogamy. Regardless of him “deeply” (thinking) he actually loved me and all the others were just a good ole “roll in the hay” doesn’t make it right. If we expect certain behaviors from our mate and set up “boundaries” then by golly we better behave in a similar fashion. Can’t have the best of both worlds.
So in regard to the situation that’s caused a lot of discussion today, although I empathize completely with
moving past the facade, and how manipulating a sociopath can be, I don’t find it’s okay to have “demands” if one can’t do the same? Not judging by any means, because I know how twisted one can become when dealing with a spath- but if I’m in a relationship and I’m cheating on my mate with a married man for example, how could I or would I even utter anything regarding honesty? I guess I’m a bit perplexed on the rationale? Again I understand the sociopath cheater vs a normal cheater difference, because there are differences…. But when does two wrongs make a right! My advice to any “normal cheater” vs a spath cheater is get out of the excitement with the spath. No matter what they will ruin you.
I don’t disapprove cheating, I simply learned from my own mistake and don’t do it…. But if someone wants to cheat on their mate for excitement trust me there will come a time when that person will need to elevate the euphoria and look for another person to cheat with…. Much like a drug, we see this all the time with “normal people”, you need more and more and more and each time the level of intense needs to be more exciting than the previous encounter…. Don’t shoot me 😉 this is just my opinion and in no way shape or form intended to persuade anyone that my way of thinking is right…. There is really no right or wrong, instead it’s what your personal belief/ values are…. After all shouldn’t we call a spade a spade if that’s what it is? In a nutshell IMO one shouldn’t have one sides expectations– unless otherwise discussed.
Skylar— I am so soooooory to hear about your kitty! I’m a huge cat fan!!! I remember my first cat and how I had to put him to sleep… They become such an important part of your life! Sometimes more like family than your actual family…… Again so sorry!!!! 🙁
I like this web-site, and he has some real insight into the damage done by secret keeping and deceit.
Oh and I like this: You are only as sick as the secrets you keep.
http://peterfox.com.au/fidelity_1.8.html
Debronco – i agree with ya ‘God is Great – Beer is Good – People are Crazy’
In all honesty to all of you who have been on LF for years I want to tell you that I “look up to each of you.” Personally, no matter how down in the dumps I am ( because lately I have been) or how much crying I’m doing, even if its so much to where I’m literally drowning in my tears… I ALWAYS seek honesty. I don’t want any of you to tell me what ” I want to hear” and I certainly don’t need a “pity party.” What I look for is exactly what folks like Skylar, Ox Dover, MD, Louise etcetera have said to me in response to my many repeated “whoa is me” posts. Although I have been steamrolled by a sociopath and I was the VICTIM and he (excuse my French) “fucked me mentally” I post how I feel because I need honesty, no matter how much it hurts! The truth always hurts…. Sure I miss my exspath like crazy lately and I’m down, but I won’t sit here and post my story with a desire to be “coddled.” Not implying this is the case with anyone HOWEVER …..
I’m not convinced moving past the facade really wants her relationship to end, and that’s okay… Look how long it took most of us?? In due time she will learn and in due time she will reevaluate her own morals too.
First thing she really needs to so is to stop playing detective. If she wants to stay in this thing then more power to her and that’s great. But by continuing to play detective isn’t going to give her any more info than she doesn’t already know…Why put yourself through that nonsense? Why torture yourself anymore? Leave the detective work to those who have a license to actually do that type of work. You have enough info, so accept it and move on even if that means staying with the spath… Just accept your situation for what it is, don’t have any expectations because you simply aren’t allowed to have any if your with a spath so get used to that… Accept you CAN’T fix a spath…. Ever. He is his worst enemy and needs saving from himself.. No counseling, miracle drug or a good “mind fuck” will change a spath…..
Last advice if you choose to stay then I recommends you pick up some good books on how to be in a relationship with a spath …. But do realize it will require a lot if change and the change is ALL going to have to come from you…. That’s the plain and simple facts…. At least that’s what I think…
Anyhow, ill get off my “soap box” — like I’m some expert on this stuff ha! ha! Actually, I’m a newbie (4weeks) & am gaining strength each day by increasing my knowledge about spaths and of course from my LF FAMILY!!
So thx to all of you 😉
MD— love, love, love it! And boy isn’t it the truth 🙂