I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Well, being involved in a clandistine affair means you are lying and cheating, you are selfishly chosing your excitement and adventure over your professed love and comittment to your spouse or significant other. In short, you are chosing. Even withouit a spathological affair partner you are doing damage, not only to your spouse, your marriage, but to your sence of self…your self esteem, your sense of yourself as an honest person who can be trusted….this just adds to the good-ole shame-core, which just keeps the ole viscious cycle going…..I seek excitement in that which is taboo because I am wounded and feel pain, this allows me to avoid dealing with my pain, which is probably related to toxic shame, and then I feel more shame, so I act out more, take bigger risks, get more of a rush, but am more ashamed. Sigh.
Denbronkos, “I don’t dissaprove cheating,,,” What?
Excuse me, but I thought I was at LF healing from the trauma of being lied to and cheated on by a persoanality disordered ass-hole? Are you saying it’s ok to lie and cheat? Wow. Just wow. I gotta go. See ya.
Lol! Kim,
I’m using my iPhone to type my posts! Don’t you just love technology…the auto full capabilities are WONDERFUL! I meant I DO disapprove of cheating, after all if I didn’t wouldn’t I be contradicting everything I’ve mentioned… Apologizes for the typo everyone!
However, I’m not going to judge a person who does cheat. I don’t condone it, I’ll tell you how I feel about it but ultimately it’s NOT MY LIFE…. I have had friends who have cheated on their mates, I certainly don’t discontinue my friendship with them but they AREN’T spaths….
I do think we need to be careful here though, because in general spath or not, mental disorder or not cheating isn’t “ok” for anyone… IMO
So no it’s NOT ok, no. its not OK to lie, no it’s not OK to
** I could go back & edit the post but it may confuse others to this post and yours pervious to this…
kim:
The Peter Fox site is great…THANKS! A lot of really good info there.
I do want help, and I do want to move on…most days.
Our affair was not something that just happened, we had talked about it and it was a mutual agreement. He had told me horror stories about his wife, and he talked to me about my problems at home. I thought of him as my best friend. I now know that every conversation, message and gesture of kindness was part of his strategy and had been going on for years. His approach is to be the great friend…he knew my birthday, anniversary, kid’s birthdays. I thought that made him a great friend. Even the initial flirting starts out slowly, like he is testing the waters.
I always felt guilt about what was going on. But, he told me he did too. We actually would talk about the guilt we were feeling. I know now that he was just setting his hooks in deeper.
I do really, really want something with him. But I know that is wrong. I never knew him at all…my best friend, my lover…but I miss the crap out of him.
I’m around 24 hours NC…it’s a start.
Movingpastthefacade, welcome to LoveFraud, and I’m sorry for your experiences.
The thing about predatory people is that they are able to recognize specific needs and wants in their targets. Perhaps, I’m bored and my marriage is stalled. Perhaps, I’m needy and am seeking approval and acceptance. They also recognize strengths and qualities. Perhaps, I’m a conscientious and nurturing parent. Perhaps, I’m a punctual person and strong leader. Perhaps, I have developed a strong network of support. THOSE qualities are also targeted and turned into things to be exploited.
What you “miss the crap out of” is 100% illusion. Did you ever speak to his wife or even meet her? Most predators will use this very tactic to ensnare a target. It is a patented technique to tell a loving and caring person about their horrible woes with their partner: wife isn’t sexual, anymore; husband is mean and distant; etc. He painted a picture that you could identify with using your own strengths, qualities, and vulnerabilities.
I didn’t ask about meeting his wife to make you “feel” more guilt or shame, but to point out a specific technique that these predatory people use, consistently, and with success. So, take a deep breath and keep reading. Keep posting. And, start to examine this guilt and shame to see if it’s something that has been haunting you even before this spath experience. And, forgive yourself. This may take time, but the more you learn about how these predators ensnare targets, the more you’ll understand that you were simply one in a long line of targets.
Brightest and most comforting blessings
EDIT ADD: “No Contact” means on every level. I would strongly encourage you to BLOCK his cell number(s), email, FB profile, and any other possible way back in to your head. 24 hours may not seem like a long time, but it’s a major accomplishment and the first step of your healing and recovery!
Dear Moving past the facade,
CONGRATULATIONS, every long journey begins with ONE STEP, and takiing the ONE STEP, THE FIRST STEP of deciding on NC is the most important step. It will be hard. You are actually ADDICTED to him just like a CRACK ADDICT is addicted to the drug. So we are your AA of addiction here, when you feel weak, feel that NEED FOR A FIX….come here. There is almost always someone here 24/7 who will talk you down…..so come here, read and blog…and READ and READ and READ.
First we ahve to learn what they are. Then we have to learn about ourselves and WHY we let them con us. Then we have to fix ourselves, because no one can fix them.
We have to take a stance and be completely honest with OURSELVES. That’s a big eye opener for me because I realized I was NOT HONEST WITH MYSELF and not honest with others either. Out of shame of what they would think partly, but partly because I was accepting SHAME for what someone else did.
ACCEPT your own responsibility, make your determination to NOT REPEAT the things you did, but to move on past them into a better and more honest life. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
I second what truthy said about the NC, it must be on every level, because every time you break it, you go back to square one, just like the junkie. Oh, and get and read the book TRAUMA BONDS by Patrick CArnes it will explain your feelings right now. (((hugs))) and Good job on the NC!
moving past the facade:
How are you going to continue No Contact though since you work with him?? That is going to be EXTREMELY difficult. Personally, I think that will never work as long as you are at the same workplace and I think it’s a small company if I understood you correctly? That makes it even worse. I worked at a HUGE company and probably would have only seen mine about once every three months (that’s how big it is), but I still left! I gave up everything. I wish you the BEST of luck.
Also, I second what Truthspeak said. Mine told me things about his wife, too…she’s a bitch, she didn’t like sex, he gives her an itch, she takes a mile. They ALL will say negative things about their wives, but I look at it this way…if the wife is so bad, WHY are you still there??? It makes me angry!!!!! BLECH!
EDIT: So it makes me realize of course that the wife is NOT all bad! No one is perfect, but there again, IF the wives are really that bad, get out! But it’s because of course, it is really NOT that bad at home. They are having the best of both worlds.
We work for a large company, in a medium size location. For the most part, he is a several minute walk away from my office. But our paths cross often, daily. I have to email him for work issues almost daily, but I think I can find a way around that. I have to conduct meetings and training where he will always be. He was my protege, I had him promoted long before we started our affair. I now know that this was him mirroring me for his game. I have always been a very professional person, aside from this slippage. I have to refocus on myself and my career.
After seeing his emails, I realize that his wife wasn’t what he made her out to be. Some of the things he told me are true, but he hand picked what he told me and twisted it. In his emails, he tells his his other, other woman that he had a bad weekend bc he is married to satin and that the only loving he gets is from his hand. At the same time, he is emailing his wife and talking about how wonderfully romantic their weekend was and how beautiful the sex was.
He was after the best of multiple worlds.
moving past the facade:
I am sending out strength to you to be able to deal with crossing paths with him daily. That makes No Contact impossible. That is going to be tough until you can get past your feelings for him.
Great! You saw yourself IN PRINT that he was lying about his wife and the sex!! Holy crap! If that isn’t deceitful!!