I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
I saw so much more in print… The same lines, pet names, he even used my name for him (very unique) on one of his others. Several times he sent at least three different women the exact same email. It was compulsive – thousands of messages over a 6 month time frame. And the lies I can see…it’s amazing. One woman tells him about going to a bonfire over the weekend, he says he didn’t do anything except hang out at home. Then he emails another to tell her that he went to a bonfire. Just complete lies to appeal to different women.
Moving past the facade,
Go find the GRAY ROCK article here on LF and read it. Essentially it means that if you must have contact with them that YOU SHOW NO EMOTION. FLAT AFFECT.
It is more difficult than complete NC but Keep it all business and ONLY business. If he tries to talk to you about personal, just walk away. If he e mails you about personal, don’t read it, but just KEEP IT IN A FILE in case you ever need it.
Hang in there and it will get better, I promise you, but not quickly. (((hugs))))
Moving,
Don’t believe anything he says about his wife- I swear so many of the stories I hear on LF sound identical to mine that I sometimes wonder if we are dealing with the same individual? I can’t believe there’s this many spaths out there….mine always called his ex satin, he said she was the cheater, she put them into debt, it was allllll her. Then again he said the same thing about his ex-gfs he had before I met him…. It’s a complete lie.
For example, a normal person wouldn’t need to tell the person they are dating about the “garbage” in their marriage. What’s the point? Why air out dirty laundry when trying to establish a new relationship? I try not to talk about my old relationships, but with the spath he somehow got that out of me — and that was strange but I didn’t think much of it at the time.
His marriage somehow ended up “mirroring” my first marriage which was with a spath….just be careful and don’t trust a thing that comes out of that guys mouth. It’s Shit’
Congrats to you for being 24 hours NC.. It’s a great start; if you need anything we are here! 🙂
” I swear so many of the stories I hear on LF sound identical to mine that I sometimes wonder if we are dealing with the same individual…”
denbroncos007;
Not only is this very true, but helped convince me that my x-spath had more than “intimacy” issues.
Text book is one thing but reading about common experiences, reactions, lies, manipulations is very telling.
Skylar talks a lot about “180 degrees” — sociopaths often are the complete opposite of what they say. For example, they will talk monogamy while simultaneously being promiscuous.
Louise, lake myself, had a relatively short-term relationship with a British guy. Save sexual orientation, they could be the same guy, right down to description.
I also found Lisa Scott’s 12 Characteristics very insightful:
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2010/01/27/12-characteristics-psychopaths-sociopaths
Again, not text book or clinical but her examples were so spot-on, I was floored. My x-spath is a combination of:
1 – Jekyll/Hyde.
2 – The Female Sociopath, even though a gay male.
8 – The Promiscuous Psychopath.
9 – The Nomadic Parasite – duh, he is a gay flight attendant…
In fact, Lisa’s descriptions and example of these are so accurate, they are chilling.
Kim frederick posted a link in another thread which I looked through and I found this: http://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/am-i-the-narcissist/. A very great article about what many of us has asked our self during our shock of what happened. It answers the question was it him/her or was it me? Am I the narcissist? Thought I would post it here for others to read.
BBE:
Maybe they are cousins or something? I love the link. Mine is almost all of them…seriously. He was one big mess that is for sure.
Louise;
Yours was from around Liverpool – Manchester, correct?
BBE:
He actually was born in and grew up in Liverpool. He lived in Manchester as an adult up until 2005 when he came to the US. He’s only been here seven years. And two of those years, he was living in a US “Territory.” All of this was for his job. What fate that was for me…him coming here…
EDIT: Ironically, I transferred into the area at work where I met him just two months before he came to the US. I have thought about that a few times thinking how it was fate that I transferred into that area from another part of the company. But I did not start a relationship with him until almost five years later. He was sent here, but within six months, he was sent to the US “Territory” and then was there for two years. Not long after he came back, he started the affair with OW and then the next year, 2010, is when he pursued me. Ho hum. I was just one of many. I can’t believe it’s been almost three years.
Yes, mine was born and raised in Liverpool as well. Do you know what schools he attended? For HS, mine went to Calderstone formerly known as Quarry Bank High School.
You do know who the Quarrymen are, right…
That is a good school and one of the things that at first impressed me about the x-spath, that despite his poor background he got into good schools.
Of course, for what I now know, that he eschewed his education and a white collar job to be a flight attendant is a huge red flag of sociopathy.
BBE:
I do not know what HS he went to, but he went to John Moores University for college. He was very poor, too (or so he told me), but you have to remember, college in Britain is paid for…it is free. I don’t know about HS. I don’t know if they had to pay to go to private HS or not.
The Quarrymen are the Beatles, yeah?
Hmmmm, it’s very interesting the choices they make…