I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Sunflower;
Very good link on a topic that I thought long and hard about regarding the x-spath, myself and sociopathy, given the following:
1) At certain times in our lives, we looked remarkably similar.
2) We have the same name but spelled differently.
3) I have my relationship and intimacy issues.
4) Compared to heterosexuals, I would be considered very promiscuous.
5) Many consider me charming.
In addition, I have a tendency to boredom when not very active and unlike the x-spath, I have a certain “mojo.” However, the fact that I am obviously introspective and also honest, dismisses my being a sociopath or a Narcissist. My brother is a Narcissist and he is completely without any ability to look himself in the mirror, assess his issues and take corrective action.
Most important, unlike the x-spath, I have empathy.
Louise;
ROFL — mine went to John Moores University too. Currently, mine is 39 (when not lying on a dating site).
Who old is yours?
Quarrymen became the Beatles. My x-spath sounded just like John Lennon, which was part of his charm to me…
However, this would not be so in London, where the Liverpool (Scouse) accent is looked down upon.
BBE:
OOOOh, no!!!! Hahaha! Mine was 45 in June; only six years age difference. They could be related…haha!
EDIT: He’s 45, but really does look only about 38 – 40 I would say. I don’t know how he does it with all the drinking he does…must be his genes.
Gotta run…be back later!
BBE:
Mine sounds like Daniel Craig who also grew up in Liverpool. You know, I think it’s funny…I do not find the London area Cockney accent attractive at all, yet I love the Northern England accent like the spath has. It was hypnotic; gorgeous. I never really heard anyone speak like him. It’s funny that type of accent is looked down upon by the Londoners! I think they sound yukky. I do have to say though…I think because my spath is educated, he doesn’t sound much like the other Scousers. It’s much more refined. I’ve heard the rough Scouse accent and he doesn’t sound like that at all yet that is where he lived his entire life. I don’t really get that? Probably just another one of his spath ways…he even perfected his accent…haha! Oh, brother…
Louise, BBE,
😀 I know a British psychopath in my area, from Manchester or Liverpool, I don’t remember the exact place he said. He studied in a school called Charles Dickens or the school in which C.Dickens studied or something similar. He’s a p. of textbook: manipulative, liar, parasite, promiscuous, vicious, with the characteristic psychopathic eyes, etc, etc. He has several children with different Spanish women, according to him. He also tells the same pity ploy “all his women got the house and the custody of the children”. The truth is that he’s a parasite, hasn’t bought a house ever, and he doesn’t support his children.
We even had a British serial killer in the 90′. He killed at least two young girls in Málaga. He had already criminal records for sexual agression in England. He came to Spain, took a girlfriend but he had a double life: sexual agression was not enough any more because he needed more control so he evolved to killer and necrophiliac. His name is Tony Alexander King. There still must be for sure lot of info about him in the internet.
I mean, no cousins but lots of them everywhere. 😀
Louise;
Same with mine — not rough, like in “Desperate Scousewives” but refined and melodic, again, just like Lennon.
I wish I could find again I study I once read stating that 30% of fathers in British public housing (“Counsel Estates) are sociopaths.
There is a movie I have mentioned here called “Mysterious Skin” that is a frank and to some shocking look at childhood sexual abuse and its effect.
In another online forum, this movie was being discussed and one person said that it would only be “shocking” to some “posh c*nt who grew up in the suburbs” as having grown up in a Counsel Estate, this is the life he experienced…
Of course that the movie takes place in American suburbs did not matter to this person, who is also very much a sociopath, judging from his subsequent online bullying and banning from the forum…
off topic but…I need to vent..Some of you will remember The Marine and The Lady I work for..Well he is visiting her..I was hoping to avoid him but she asked me to come undo xmas decor inside and out etc. so I did..
I ring doorbell ( I have a key and usually just let myself in but ) Marine answers with a big shitty grin and goes to shake my hand ) Not gonna happen this time Bozo~! I didnt make eye contact either..he knew right off I could see the elephant in the room…so he goes back to the computer ( always on it ) ..so I go about my job….The lady comes in the room and The Marine ask me if the music is botherin me, I say no… he would only talk to me when the lady was in eye shot…they leave and go to lunch (i get my job done and leave before they get back)
well I can pretend there is not an elephant in the room BUT I damn sure did let the elephant KNOW I COULD SEE HIM>> thanks i feel better now…
BBE, I think Liane Leedom mentioned this study that 25% of the kids sired in public housing are sired by psychopaths. Ain’t that cute?! LOL Spreading those genes around.
In my sperm donor’s case, he had 4 children and only one of us is a P but I had 2 and one is ADHD and the other one is a P….
In my family I have seen it run straight through the generations, and other times SKIP a generation.
It is on both my maternal and paternal sides, and on my kid’s father is is on his paternal side (at least) I am not sure about his mom’s side as I know very little about these people behind the MIL and FIL. On my own family I can trace it reliably back to well before 1800 one little psychopath after another.