I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
The problem is, the Marine probably makes her EAT SHIAT–and what a PRICE WE PAY FOR “LUV”
EB, Howdy~! A few weeks ago the lady told me J ( the marine) was coming for a visit and she said ‘i understand you dont like being around J’ hmm ( sister must of told her ) oh well..but I looked the lady square in the face and said ‘I never had a problem being around J, but J has a problem being around me, so yes I would rather not work when he is here’ she asked me why? what did he do? I said ” I have nothing to gain by telling you and you wouldnt believe me anyhow ”. I did not tell her he had made nasty remarks to me when she was out of the room, or that he had tried to run me off the road.
..seriously I have always been their best advocate. I am happy for them..but after last summer and him showing his elephant ass and letting me know he doesnt like me I aint gonna pretend like it didnt happen..fortunatley he is only around a few weeks of the year….
ox, i think he is good to her, if i saw any signs of him mistreating her I would take him down. she’s just one of them women that HAS to have a man on her arm..she was married to a spath for 26 years…
she is a beautiful person..
Moon, if you mean “good to her” by not beating her about the head and shoulders, you may be right, but the thing is, that kind of narcissistic arsshole is NEVER “GOOD” to anyone. I will guarantee that he makes her eat emotional shiat. If she was married to an spath for 26 years she is good at eating shiat and crow and every other nasty thing in the world in order to “maintain peace” in the family. It is a shame that she did not LEARN about spaths and GROW and HEAL instead of continuing to play “lets’ pretend.”
Unfortunately, too many times that’s how it works out.
It sounds like he’s jelouse of your position in her life.
I had a client who hooked up with a ‘dude’ quickly after her divorce. She was lonely yadayada…..
Once the dude had a ‘footing’ in the house, he would say things to me covertly and out of ear shot of her.
On their wedding day, he cornered me and was very frank and blunt…..he said, you won’t be her much longer. I’m the head of household now.
It was clear…..I was gone.
She took me to lunch out of town because she suspected there was something wrong…….I refused to tell her, what did it matter….they were married. I was just her caretaker.
It didnt help that she put the BF on payroll for 250K a year in order o have her boytoy available to her at all times to travel etc…..
The fact he accepted it, 8 weeks into the love fest……was a complete red flag. HECK, the fact she DID that move was a red flag alone!!! If he wants you, let HIM figure out how to attain you within HIS real life perameters.
She made me promise (in the beginning) that I would call out any and all red flags to her. I did along the way, but she carried on anyways.
So I knew, at this point, it didn’t matter.
She got so pissed at me, we left, she drove me home yelling and screaming at me. When I got out of her car, I wished her luck.
That was the end.
Sometimes, it’s best to remain silent.
Eva:
That’s funny because my spath ex also likes spanish type or hispanic women. I think it’s the opposites attract thing…pale white skin vs. darker skin, etc.
BBE:
I can see how living in the Council Estates could produce spaths. I really wish I knew if my ex spath grew up in those or not. All I know is he told me he was poor and had no indoor plumbing. I do know that around the time I was seeing him, his mum finally moved out of the house he grew up in so I guess that means it wasn’t Council Estates?
I have no doubt something happened to him when he was young. My guess is that it was sexual abuse, but I’ll never know.
Erin, we stay in denial to believe what we WANT to believe. It works, for a WHILE, but not forever. Eventually the truth seeps through in the form of pain whether we admit it or not. Playing “let’s pretend” doesn’t work well for adults.
EB,, then you know what position I am in! and yes it’s best for me to be silent.
But at the same time if he get’s me fired so be it….I aint gonna pretend like nothing happened. To him anyway.
Moon, SHE KNOWS something happened….you told her something did, but that you were not going to tell her because she wouldn’t believe you (you were right there) ….she CAN’T BELIEVE you and stay with him so she is in DENIAL and boy that ain’t no river in Egypt. LOL
But I think your attitude about it is okay. You aint’ cleaning up no elephant poop just doing your JOB and getting PAID. You are NOT her KEEPER, she is an adult and is making up her own choices and mind. You are NOT responsible for her. Just your JOB that you are paid to do. So do your job and keep your mouth shut…that’s always been hard for me to do (ahhhh, Oxy, I find that sooo hard to believe! LOL ROTFLMAO)