I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
skylar:
Spath also went to Catholic schools as a kid and now wants NOTHING to do with religion. I see this ALL the time. I know soooo many adult Catholics who are basically atheists. It really tells me something.
You bet that was about control! I think that is why spath’s mom did it, too. I heard she was very controlling and domineering and that his dad was the buffer. And now HE is the controlling one and doesn’t like women.
Your last paragraph says a lot…so true. 🙁
Louise,
yeah spaths figure out early on that authorities want to control them and they REFUSE TO SUBMIT. They become O.D.D., in a knee-jerk over-reaction against even a whiff of being influenced by others. In the really affected spaths, it becomes an acute paranoia, like the tin-foil hat crowd that thinks someone is sending messages to their brains. lol. (I’m not even kidding)
That’s why spaths can recognize other spaths, they sense the power-players and distinguish them from those they call “sheep” and “weak-willed”.
The world isn’t so black and white, obviously, but to them, it is.
For us, who live in the many shades of gray, we have to navigate all the PD’s and try not to play their games. It’s not easy, our entire culture is saturated in spathiness.
Is there any way to have private one on one conversations on this site. The reason I’m asking is because I’m identifying with so many of your stories and I think comparing notes would help me immensely but because of concerns for my safety there are some things I’m not comfortable posting on an open forum.
Daisy,
we do sometimes exchange email addresses through Donna.
Or as an alternative, you might invite someone to my chat room at my website.
http://180rule.com/180-chat-room/
I think there is a way to send private msgs in that chat room too, but I’ve never done it. I added the chat room to my website because people asked for it, though I don’t use it much, myself. The nice thing about the chat room is that old messages disappear as they scroll upward when new comments are added.
I also added a calendar so that people can reserve the chat room on a specific time and date to “meetup” with others there.
Thank you Skylar. I didn’t realize you were the same Skylar as the one over there. I’ve exchanged a few msgs with you over there under a different user name.
I don’t why I’m so paranoid about someone stumbling across my information on here and figuring who I am lol.
This s/p/n stuff is all so new to me and quite overwhelming but I am learning so much from reading all the posts.
Like Daisy, I would also like to have some kind of conversation with others. I like the idea of comparing notes. I want to talk more in depth about personal stories, if possible. I will check out your website, Skylar, and hopefully have a chance to chat with others. Thanks.
Skylar
Nice website! I just joined 🙂 it’s nice to share stories with the group and get everyone’s perspective, but agree, sometimes it’s nice to share more with someone who’s story might align more so with your own…
Thanks for sharing the website
Thanks Densbroncos, glad you like it.
Laura and Daisy, feel free to use the chat room. But as you can see, mostly people just enter the empty chat room because nobody knew they were coming. That’s why I set up the calendar, so people could know what time to show up.
Like you could schedule an 8PM weeknight check in time, that seems to be popular. (indicate which time zone) Or you could just meet up here first.
oh crap, I just realized something else.
So my spath trained himself to throw up on cue. He bragged about it. Yet, he didn’t actually eat at home. He avoided all the food in the house except canned peaches and the macaroni and cheese packages that he knew I wouldn’t eat because of my gluten intolerance.
So WHY bother learning to throw up on cue? Because he was poisoning other people, not just me, and he needed to be able to break bread with them and then throw up the poisons.
not a day goes by that I don’t figure out some new angle that he pulled. I’m so tired of it.
Sky,
That sounds like an accurate observation and conclusion. It’s an MO. Sabotaging vehicles and helicopters and poisoning. What works for one, will be used on someone else. THey’re very creative in coming up with a method, but then they repeat it ‘ad nauseum’ (pun intended).
Just like we all discovered we weren’t the exception, you can bet on it that others were not excepted from how we were treated.
I understand you’re getting tired of it: tiny detail recollections that suddenly become a puzzle piece and you realize where it fits. But eventually the million-pieces puzzle will be done one day.