I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Darwinsmom, that is a wonderful exercise. You know the emotional and nurturing part of that exercise…who rubbed my head when it hurt, etc. was never my egg donor…she did wash my clothes (some of the time) but the encouragement, the nurturing, was all my grandmother or my grandfather or my step father. I have no memories of encouragement from her. Interesting exercise. Thanks.
And doing it makes me feel good for those times I was encouraged, I was nurtured, and brings back wonderful memories. My childhood wasn’t all that bad after all, it just didn’t include my egg donor. LOL
Dear ‘lost myself’:
Consciously or sub-consciously you are making the choice to walk with the abuser, join the abuser, be one with the abuser. What will become of you? What will your ‘life’ be? What mark will you leave on this world and those you leave behind?
Where does it lead?
I once knew a dear, dear beautiful young woman. A most beautiful, vivacious, creative girl. In a word: Stunning.
She couldn’t break free – couldn’t turn away from the allure of a dark world. I don’t know – she slipped into a skewed state of mind. I think maybe that she lost her sense of self worth. Maybe it must have been exciting and exhilarating for her to do the things she was doing. She kept choosing to go back to the back-alley sleazy scum that dragged her down and bled her of her possessions and her dignity.
One night one of them slashed her to death.
I know a woman who was systematically abused and brutally beaten by her boyfriend. He went to jail for it. When he got out – despite court orders – he started seeing her again. She ended up pregnant and giving birth to his child – who has ‘special needs.’ She just can’t seem to get her life together and relies on various forms of assistance for everything.
Although many might be thinking that someone should stage an ‘intervention’ and take you away to a country retreat for some course of rehabilitation – it’s not going to happen.
I am guesing that you are a pretty good-looking and passionate person that could enjoy a prosperous lifestyle and a good and healthy and caring relationship.
Your choice.
Arianna:
As you wrote:
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P-paths LOVE to play the jealousy game! What could be better? they talk about another woman [man], or compare you to her [him],
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And your jealousy (or insecurity, some prefer that term) is a big problem according to the p-path”and an unattractive one at that. So if you speak up, you’ve got an unattractive insecurity problem,
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…[she] dumped me because my “insecurity problem” was such a “turn off.”
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Oh, I went through this BIG TIME with my spathic ex-GF!
After attending a birthday party for one of her girlfriends she compared the whiteness of my teeth and the number of wrinkles in my shirt to what her friend’s husband had.
She seemed to delight in doing this – and it wasn’t the first time.
Fixerupper,
my spath and I double dated with his minion and minion’s gf.
In the car, they both started telling minion’s gf that her butt was too big and that she needed to exercise more so her butt would look like mine. WTF?
The game, in this case, was to make her hate ME. Though it may seem that she was being victimized, it was actually me that was being targeted. They needed to add to their army of people who hated me.
It’s possible that your ex spath was doing that to you too. We can never underestimated their convoluted way of thinking.
Rochelle:
So much of this sounds like my relationship with a BPD.
* I heard the endless stories about her ex’s, half of which she maintained contact with.
* I heard the “Don’t screw this one up” and “Don’t cheat on him” lines from a friend of hers who was also a Psychologist (yes, this one is a Psychologist!)
* Now i’m considered the crazy one.
The more distance I put on this person and all she knows, the better.
From the article:
“Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.”
I would listen to my ex-GF for HOURS. I would help her to ‘get it all out.’ I think I helped to draw out the buried and suppressed emotions. Her mother had Borderline Personality Disorder. Her Dad was a broken man because of his wife. He had his own issues. My GF was sexually abused by a relative when she was very young. She had a string of broken relationships. I tried to find a way to help to ‘fix’ her. I offered my whole self. In the end she lied to and betrayed me and, projected all sorts of mental problems and issues onto me. (Not that I don’t have MY issues – just not to the degree that she would have me believe!)
Yeah, I guess I sometimes feel sorry for myself. It was a valiant effort and I really feel like I really loved her and wanted to be her partner in building a normal, happy life together. She inspired me in a way: The relationship was a challenge and I adored her. The main point I have to remember is that I never had a chance. In the end she was especially cruel and heartless. Her true colors came through. A total sociopath.
Good luck to the guy she’s with now.
Yeah, the content of this article rings true.
Dear Fixer,
I think to a great extent “we” (victims) tried to fix’em, give them another chance and another….we lacked borders and boundaries, and we gave and gave out of the abundance of our love for these disordered people.
I’ve come to the conclusion we can NOT fix anyone, we can only fix ourselves and learn boundaries and not allow others to abuse us.
We treat others well and we must insist that if they want to be in our lives that they treat us well as well. No ifs, ands or buts.
Everyone here is absolutely amazing. I wanted to thank each and every one of you for your thoughts and prayers and you assistance in things that i should try in order to help me. I have never found a place where I feel like someone actually understands me and what I am going through. I feel like I have a lot to share and a lot to learn from everyone here. I have so much on my mind tonight and I find it hard to make sense of my thoughts, but before I went to bed, I wanted to thank you for all of your support. It means everything to me. I will be back on here very soon.
Lost Myself,
Yeah, I love it, love it, love it.
You are understood. We have all walked much (or some) of the same path. We have endured the crazy making.
Step one, you wrote in. Step two, you answered back. Step 3, you keep reading the “aha” moments. Step 4 you are grateful,
Keep going girl, it can be rough, but some days are a very very nice journey. It keeps getting better.
No contact with that dirtball, you hear? Nothin!!
It’s all about you now.
Hugs.
denbroncos007 and rochelle:
Maybe we can fix-up your spath ex’s with my spathic ex-gf. She’s in her 40’s now, never married, coming off of a string of failed relationships because, according to her ‘she attracts all the kooks.’ But, according to her she is blameless, faultless, highly sensitive, balanced and considerate and, knows what is wrong with everyone else. She will have your ex’s emasculated within a month and they will have to agree to go into psychotherapy in order to prove to her that they are normal.