I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Edge of sanity,
You are so right! NO CONTACT! Standing and fighting works sometimes as well, other times not so well…depends on how cunning they are.
I’m glad you are still standing strong! Good job!
Things I noticed about my spath:
He’d say, “I’m sorry” but never anything about what he was sorry for.
My spath was happy. That is, since he had no conscience, there was no reason for him to feel bad. So my misery did nothing to change his mood. Although… if I was happy or feeling content for some reason, it annoyed him greatly and he’d sabotage me.
If my spath found something that gave him pleasure, he re-created it with several people. How many times did he take different women to the SAME movie? The SAME swim spot on the river? The same hotel, same restaurant. The same phrases/conversation. The same pint of ice cream, two spoons, dishtowel to wrap around the carton. 50 First Dates would have been nirvana to him. He was a GREAT first date. But the relationship never seemed to go more than one or two levels.
My spath had a main plaything, and LOTS of back burner girls. If the main girl annoyed him, he’d never say so. He’d just go play with a back burner until he got his vengence on the main plaything. He did not give up the main plaything until he got all he wanted or she turned out to not have anything he wanted, in which case he was immediately bored and a backburner took her place as the NEW main girl.
KatyDid,
After getting involved with a spath and reading everything about spaths I had realized that my own father was a spath too.
What you say that your spath re-created the same things with several people reminds me so much of him!
My father was cheating my mam with several women. Even after their divorce he continued having many relationships at the same time. Of course the women didn’t knew about it.
When they found it out they all met together to discuss about it. Then thy realized that my father had taken each woman to the same restaurant and the same movie, he had given them the same promises, he even gave them the same gifts. He had given to 5 different women the same kind of a ring, the same kind of underwear and the same kind of perfumes.
When I was younger, I remember him a couple of times giving me money to buy 5 bottles of the same perfume. I didn’t knew back then why did he wanted them for.
it’s just insane how those people think! I think that they do it for not wasting too much time.
KatyDid,
My spath did the exact same thing. He had a main plaything and several others as back burner girls. If the main girl annoyed him then he didn’t say anything, he just went to one of the back burner girls and let the main girl suffer, wondering what she had done wrong…
After he got bored he got back to the main girl until he got bored of her and he found another one as a main plaything. It’s disgusting.
The saddest thing is that many of those girls don’t realize that they got used, so he still keeps them in his life as friends – just in case he needs them again in the future.
I’m glad that I am the one who left.
KatyDid:
OMG. You just described mine to a T. EVERYTHING you said is exactly the way mine operates. EXACTLY.
Thank you for that! I like seeing it in print. 🙂
One example…when I was leaving my job and we talked and he realized everything that had happened and how I felt, I got a text…”I am sorry.” But like you said, he didn’t expand on that…didn’t say what he was sorry for. Everything you say about all the women is also true. How he would say the same things to everyone…take them the same places…and how it would all last a short time with each one as he had gotten bored and gotten what he wanted…time to go to the next one while keeping the other ones on the back burner. It’s unbelievable how they all operate the same!
Merry Christmas, to my much beloved and appreciated LoveFraud friends. You’ve all carried me through so much, and helped me grow. I can never pay back all that you’ve done for me. I am so grateful. I am looking forward to a God filled, spath free year. At least that’s my goal!
I have been, inch by inch, wrestling away from my exspath, growing, learning. In the last few months I simply have been giving more space and time in my head to the lies – “the people of the lie” – how he lied when he would have been better off telling the truth. This morning I woke up and realized I completely forgot about how mean he was. Intentionally mean. No gifts at Christmas, no calls on my birthday, breaking up with me all the time, making it clear he was screwing other women. Unbelievable. I just wonder if being a sadist is a comorbid condition with psychopathy.
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Athena
Merry HO HO Athena, I have never heard the term comorbid condition so I googled it, hmm I would say, yep, they are comorbid’s!
Athena, me too. And a chocolate filled year too. 🙂
(((Merry Christmas, LF family.)))
A few of you had commented or made reference to what KatyDay mentioned in her post above (referenced below). My exspath was identical- at first I felt I was “special” but come to find out I was no more special than anyone else. Except I was the “main girl.” When we were on the outs/disagreeing he has his “back burner” girls to fall back on. Funny thing is that he wouldn’t ever really try to “dump me” even towards the end; I left him… But he had his back burner gals!
I remember even telling him so many times that the things he says to me, I’ve seen & heard him say the same to other girls! Deep down I knew he wasn’t right for me and that I was miserable but I couldn’t get out… I think what finally drove me to leave was that I got so sick & tired of all the lies and cheating. I had no more to give, no more tears to shed, and I felt drained…. But it’s sad I had to reach that point to feel “strong” enough to leave…..
Anyhow, today we should all feel joyous….. some of us are just beginning the grieving process, some of us may be years into recovering from an exspath , but we are all leading much healthier lives! So Amen to that!
“My spath had a main plaything, and LOTS of back burner girls. If the main girl annoyed him, he’d never say so. He’d just go play with a back burner until he got his vengence on the main plaything. He did not give up the main plaything until he got all he wanted or she turned out to not have anything he wanted, in which case he was immediately bored and a backburner took her place as the NEW main girl.”
HHO HO HO my arse it’s below freezing and starting to RAIN!=ICE. Just what I need to break my leg!
Oh, well I don’t have to go anywhere until the roads are dry. Everything here is fed and has a house to go into to keep warm and dry, including me! So I got the best gift of all this Christmas, I got PEACE ON EARTH AND GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN….
skylar
no chocolate for me! I gave it up over the last 2 or 3 weeks and I feel better…..and my skinny pants ZIP. I am wearing them now. woo hoo.
hugs
athena