I recently heard from yet another Lovefraud reader who realizes that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath. She’s in the phase of trying to wrap her brain around about what these people are, and sent me the following email:
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life? Do they just go from victim to victim? Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer? Do they ever realize they are not capable of love? If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right? So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct? Do they ever see the error of their ways? There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love. Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done? Does it run in families?
Many readers, I’m sure, have the same questions, so I’ll address them one at a time.
What happens to these people? These sociopaths? How do they end up in life?
Many sociopaths eventually crash and burn. But it can take a long time—decades—during which they create havoc for just about everyone in their lives.
There is evidence that sociopaths die younger than people who are not disordered, due to their reckless lifestyle. Even some so-called “successful psychopaths”—those who ply their exploitative trade in the business world—may eventually face a comeuppance. Think Bernie Madoff.
Unfortunately, the sociopath you encountered may never pay directly for what he did to you. You may eventually hear that his life fell apart, that he’s burned all his bridges and is in trouble and alone, and you may feel like he got what he deserved.
But don’t wait for it. You need to find your own way of getting past what happened, so that you can move on.
Do they just go from victim to victim?
Yes. Sociopaths live their lives by exploiting people. They view every social interaction as a feeding opportunity.
Have any of them ever realized the affliction of which they suffer?
Yes, some of them realize that they are sociopaths. I have heard from people who tell me they’ve been diagnosed with the disorder. Some of them seem to be perturbed—they’re probably the ones who are fairly low on the sociopathic scale.
Others view themselves as superior beings. They don’t view sociopathy as an affliction. Rather, they see it as a competitive advantage.
Do they ever realize they are not capable of love?
Some of them know they are missing something. But having never experienced love, they don’t quite know what it is. It’s like asking someone who is colorblind to describe red or green. They have no frame of reference.
If they are not capable of love, they will never be happy, right?
Sociopaths are motivated by three things: power, control and sex. So when they feel like they have power and control, or when they successfully pursue sex, they would probably describe themselves as happy.
So…you could present “Red Flags of Love Fraud” to a sociopath and they would not see themselves in it, correct?
They may very well recognize their behavior. But they probably won’t see anything wrong with it.
Do they ever see the error of their ways?
Sociopaths feel totally entitled to do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So if you hear words like, “I’m sorry,” “I know I’ve treated you badly,” or “It’s all my fault,” well, they are not expressing genuine remorse. They’re worming their way back into your life so they can exploit you again.
There is a rather cryptic site called Narcissism Cured, but that doesn’t seem to be possible.
All sociopaths are narcissists, although not all narcissists are sociopaths. The difference appears to be in the degree of malevolence. Narcissists are so focused on themselves that they don’t notice when they hurt people. Sociopaths often hurt people intentionally.
Once a sociopath is an adult, there is no proven cure. I think the same thing applies to narcissists.
It may be possible for someone with a personality disorder to learn to control the expression of his or her disorder. But keeping a lid on bad behavior doesn’t mean the disorder is cured.
I’m thinking they die alone and unhappy. They don’t have the capacity to find true happiness if they don’t have the capacity to love.
Perhaps. They may also live by the motto, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Chemically, what goes on in their brains? Is research being done?
There are chemical and structural differences in the brains of psychopaths (the term used by most academic researchers). There are also differences in the ways that parts of psychopaths’ brains communicate with each other.
Research is ongoing. Maybe the scientists will eventually find a way to change the brain to correct the disorder. But will a psychopath submit to treatment? If they don’t believe there is anything wrong with them, why should they?
Does it run in families?
Psychopathy is highly genetic. This means people may be born with a predisposition for the disorder. Whether the disorder actually develops has much to do with environmental factors, especially the parenting that the individual receives.
If a person is born with the genes for psychopathy, if often means that one of the parents is disordered. Unfortunately, psychopaths make terrible parents, so conditions are usually ripe for their children to also become disordered. In fact, some psychopaths intentionally try to turn their children into little Mini-Mes.
That’s why it’s so important to understand the Red Flags of Love Fraud. Becoming romantically involved with these individuals always has the potential of leading to children—children who may also become disordered.
Revelation,
I had an anxiety attack at my very first counseling session-but it was because of all I’d been through,not knowing who to trust or what to expect.But I soon calmed down as I realized the counselor cared and that it was just like ‘talking to a friend’.Now,I eagerly look forward to those sessions,marking books I’ve read with post-it notes so I’m prepared to comment or ask questions.It’s ME-TIME!
I must admit to being human and having difficulty with trying very hard not to feel ‘death wishes’!Living with a spath has got to be one of the hardest experiences in every way,on the spouse or partner.One cannot think clearly.Where one had always been a mild-tempered,forgiving person before;suddenly it is almost impossible to keep from feeling hysterical!
Ox,
I wasn’t the one that posted about my husband dying.My husband has 9 lives or possibly more—-or atleast it seems that way!
Not long after we married,I found out about the heart problems in his family(yep,he inherited them).He also got diabetes from his dad’s side of the family.He has COPD.And yet he has the audacity to NOT CARE ENOUGH TO FOLLOW DR’S ORDERS.He is morbidly obese which only complicates his health issues.It has been this way for YEARS.If I were in his shoes,I woulda been pushing up daisies a loooong time ago!I was his 24 hr caregiver with no breaks.So when I left,he soon ended up in the nursing home.Look who’s LOOKING GOOD NOW! It’s all about working on people’s minds!It took awhile-but I finally got him figured out!
Dear Blossom,
It took me a long time to figure out my xspath also. I do “get it” about how he is. He is so mad with me right now. I gave him what he needed, somebody to blame things on because he really thought that I would come flying back to him like before. It is so wonderful that I was the one to end the relationship, not him.When I told him that I could not ever see myself being with him again he almost blew up! That is why he is so pissed now and I recognize just how blessed I am. I have had some really rough times at times but the crying,(though I hate to cry) really helps. The work of grieving is just that……hard, hard work.
BBE..
Most gay men are slut’s anywho.. I mean I havent met a gay man in years that wanted to go on a date..it’s all sex it seem’s. In the gay culture your pretty much invisible after age 40. There are so many dysfunctional gay men on the gay websites/dating sites etc…
there are so many that describe themselves as ‘straight acting’ or seeking someone who is ‘straight acting’.. I mean that alone tell’s ya they have issues! DUH..whats wrong with being a masculine gay man? Or just being yourself? I mean who want’s another actor?
Revelation,
For a long time,I kept trying to figure out what in the world kept my spath hanging so tightly to me when I kept trying to ‘shake him off’! MONEY?I had none-never! SEX? that stopped when our youngest was a toddler-his choice.COVER? He never went anywhere.Mostly just laid in bed.IMAGE? Ahaa-good one!I remembered all the times he talked about “wanting to show his family off” THE BLAME GAME—-OOOH,BIGGIE!
I haven’t been able to release my grief.Gotta problem with that.May have to talk to counselor.See….when my mom died(and we were close!) Dec 23,2010,my spath made excuses as to why I should stay home with him instead of go to my mom’s memorial.He was sick,our vehicle couldn’t make the trip,weather,etc.As I mentioned in another post,you get to where you can’t think clear or fast enough.So I didn’t go.Listened to it on the phone hookup.Cried some,but spath always kept me busy taking care of HIM….and no way was I gonna grieve in front of him!
Dear Blossom,
I am so sorry that you were not able to attend your mother’s memorial services. No closure for you with her death and that is hard to live with. I understand why you did not go though. My xspath always tried to put his dramas in front of my family but I would just ignore him and keep on doing what I needed to do for my family. They are still here while he is not. It got so I just stopped inviting him at all. I had a brother die of brain cancer he got from having HIV. He was a heroin abuser. After my brother died, my xspath broke up with me, another one of the numerous breakups. If he loved me so deeply how on earth could he do something like that??? Another example of cognitive dissonance. A minister/counselor said to me that maybe him being gone from my life at that time was a “deliverance” from God. I now know he was oh so right. I never let him come between me and my family because he has virtually no relationship whatsoever with his and it was glaringly clear that he didn’t know what he was talking about when it came to family and family relationships.
Moondancer
I don’t believe all gay men are sluts, but I do believe most of them are addicted to sex and the lifestyle that surrounds it. I also believe a lot of spaths are drawn to the lifestyle because of the easy sex, drugs, easy prey etc I often wander about clubs etc people watching and have always thought that a lot of the people there are not necessarily actually gay, but are there to take advantage of ‘what’s on offer’.
I have had 4 ‘relationships’ in my life and 3 of them were with spaths. If spath attacks are so common in gay world it is no wonder that a lot of gay men fear relationships. Lets face it I had no idea what these people were, I just thought they were nasty arseholes and of course after encountering each one of them, rushing out to find another relationship was not the first thing on my mind.
I also think after you’ve encountered a ‘spath attack’ any ‘normal’ relationships fail by comparison as the spath knows how to take advantage of you emotionally and magnify the natural feelings that most of us feel when we are in a relationship or ‘in love’. The sex is better, they proclaim love earlier, they create a frenzy of hormones that any ‘normal’ person wouldn’t evoke in you.
Therefore when you do meet a ‘normal person’ who is in fact probably a wonderful person keen for a relationship, there is no ‘spark’. You’re not ‘rushed of your feet’ by hormones and it feels like there is no connection so you just kind of ‘brush it off’. I think this goes for most people gay or straight after a spath attack. You don’t get the rush, so you tend to negate the possibility that this person is right for you.
REAL love takes time to blossom, for REAL feelings to happen naturally in our bodies and minds. I think this is probably the worst ‘legacy’ that the spath bestows upon us and I think it is VERY important that that is recognised by anyone who has fallen victim to one of them. We may NEVER feel that kind of love again with anyone else, but we need to recognise that fact, because that love we felt wasn’t ‘natural’. It was our bodies being tricked into feeling something that was not ever real!
‘Gayworld’ and its rules when you look at it appears to be created and perpetrated TOTALLY by spaths. It is up to us as gay men NOT to fall prey to it and not to accept ‘the way things are’, but to be aware that we are being fooled into a lifestyle that really when you sit back and think about it, actually has NOTHING to do with who and what we are as human beings who just happens to be sexually attracted to the same sex. Yes as MEN we have higher sex drives by design, but that does not means we have to act like moral free animals. Be yourself and be aware is really the only way to get through it.
Never Again,
that was a very insightful post. A lot of what you said applies to both straight relationships too.
Looking back at the men I dated before the exspath, I have to agree that it seemed as if there are only N’s and P’s out there on the prowl, looking to break hearts.
Skylar
I don’t believe everyone out there ‘looking’, gay or straight is a psychopath. I do however believe a lot of them are ‘addicted to the lifestyle’. Just because someone is out there every night trying to ‘get laid’ doesn’t make them one, but as I said a lot of people are addicted to alcohol or drugs and the ‘thrill of the chase’. People who seek out endless one night stands etc are addicted to sex, I don’t think they are psychopaths, they are sex addicts. They are not lunatics, they are just arseholes.
Psychopaths seem to be weirdly ‘manogamous’ to their victims psychologically. They make us feel like we are ‘the only one’ and we believe them, well for a while. They don’t usually like one night stands, and if they do it is only because their ‘target’ got away. They seem to like to cultivate ‘relationships’ as there is no ‘control or power’ aspects to casual encounters, so if they do have them it is usually just ‘letting off steam’ while looking for a target who will fall for their bullshit. One nighters or one off don’t profivide them with the ‘thrill’ of controlling someone in the same way a relationship does. That has been my experience anyways.
Never Again,
I didn’t say that everyone out there was a psychopath, I said it SEEMED that way because the vast majority of men I dated, seemed to WANT to break hearts. They weren’t looking for one night stands, they acted like they wanted to be with me and were in love, but then they also acted like they were free agents and could date other women as well. This was confusing to me, I was only 17, but my response was simply to not care about them.
Then I met the spath. He told me “I’m a one woman man.” and that is what impressed me so much. But of course it is a lie that I believed for 25 years. He wasn’t looking to just break my heart. His intent was to completely destroy me.
As far as sexual addiction, my exspath had that too. It is actually shame-addiction. Some research on that was extremely eye-opening.
Blossom4th, I’m so sorry about you missing out on your mom’s memorial service, those services are a big help in our closure and in the grief of the loss of the person we loved.
Unfortunately with the psychopats who are so narcissistic, they take advantage of our grief in one situation to make our lives worse…so the griefs compound. We end up healing them like peeling an onion, we get one layer done and we find another layer.
I was peeling the onion so fast, but underneath each layer was another layer of grief, and pain or anxiety…or fear. Emotionally Kind of like I am now physically, fix one problem, another one crops up! But when you think you will never get to the bottom of the onion, you start to slow down in your peeling and you get some rest between layers– of course there will ALWAYS be more room for growth as long as we are live we should grow! But the worst of the grief and the pain will eventually come to an end and PEACE WILL REIGN! You will finish the unending grief process and come to acceptance and pretty well stay there, except maybe for the occasional twinge of whatever, but not the deep abyss of pain that you have had. There IS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.