By Ox Drover
When I was a kid growing up, one of the “old sayings” that was bandied around the family was the one about “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.” As a small child this didn’t make any sense, since there weren’t any Greeks that I knew of living anywhere around where we lived in central Arkansas. (The phrase actually refers to the story of the ancient Greeks invading Troy by hiding soldiers in a massive wooden horse that was given to the city as a gift—the Trojan Horse.)
This saying could have been paraphrased as “beware of ANYONE that you don’t trust bearing gifts.”
Many cultures teach their children that if someone does a favor for you, the “law of reciprocity” means you are indebted to them if you accept the favor. My own culture, the Scots-Irish, will do a favor for almost anyone, but will only accept a favor from someone who is a very close friend or relative, and very trusted.
Giving to a neighbor
When we moved back to Arkansas on a small 6-acre farmette, my son and I purchased some dairy goats, as he was allergic to cow milk. Goats are like rabbits and multiply rapidly, and before long we were milking seven, with much more milk than we could use, so we fed it to young pigs.
One of our neighbors, who lived on a large farm, had found an orphan deer and they were bottle feeding it. I know that deer are first cousins to goats, and that a baby deer will literally starve to death on cow milk. I asked them if they would like some goat milk to feed their baby deer, and told them I was literally pouring out excess milk. They refused to take it, but later came back begging to buy it because their baby deer was starving to death! Being the contrary person that I am, I REFUSED TO SELL IT TO THEM, but would GIVE IT TO THEM. Knowing what I was doing, I actually forced these people who didn’t know me very well to accept a favor from me.
I knew these people were uncomfortable by accepting a gift from a relative stranger, so I put them between a rock and a hard place. They were forced to choose between letting their pet starve, or accepting a favor from me. They took the favor, and afterwards we became very, very good friends, until their deaths some 20 years later.
I guess really this was sort of “mean” of me to knowingly make them uncomfortable, because I knew their cultural prejudices and I knew why they were reluctant to take the milk when I first offered it to them. I could have chosen to sell the milk to them and had an “even trade.” I decided, though, that I wanted them for friends, and by making them accept my favor, I knew they would think I was the “best neighbor.”
Gifts and trust
Many of us have the same feelings, though they are maybe not conscious, but more subconscious, that people who do nice things for us when they first meet us are courtly, generous, giving, helpful, etc. We think they are more trustworthy than they really are.
Me giving those people milk, knowing I had them in a place they could hardly refuse, that they wouldn’t refuse, and knowing it would raise me in their esteem unconsciously, wasn’t for any financial or other kind of gain. But if I had been a psychopath, it very well could have been. Within a month of meeting me and accepting the gift of the milk, those people would have given me the keys to their house. I was a trusted family friend.
Have you ever met someone who instantly wanted to be your “best friend?” Who wanted to do things for you or give you things when you hardly know them? Psychopaths frequently do this, and it is sometimes called the “love bomb.” The potential victim is “set up” by the cult or abuser by being very, very giving and generous to them with kind words, kind deeds, and other things that will raise the psychopath in the esteem of the victim. “He is so sweet, he brought me roses every time we went out.” “He is just such a wonderful person.”
Psychopathic ex
Actually, bringing me roses doesn’t prove you are a nice person. Or, like my psychopathic now ex-boyfriend, mowing my egg donor’s yard, or helping out around my farm, didn’t mean he was a nice guy. About a week after I started dating him, my washing machine died. I mentioned I was going to have to get another one the next day, and he immediately said, ”Oh, I’ll buy you a new washer.”
Immediately my WARNING: RED FLAG sign went up (“Beware of new friends bearing gifts”) and I thanked him but said, “No, thank you, that’s way too big a gift for you to get me, I’ll buy my own.” He was actually offended and sort of “huffed” about the rest of the evening. I later found out that he had bought large items for his harem of girlfriends while he was married, even paid their rent, etc. I didn’t, however, ACT ON the “warning” at that time; I only realized it later.
Money from mom
After my late husband was killed and I retired, I had no real pressing financial needs as everything I own was paid for. My egg donor, who is probably quite a bit better off financially than I am, though, kept asking me if I “needed money.” I always told her, “Nope, I’m doing fine, thanks.”
However, she did this frequently enough that it got to be kind of a strain between us. Finally she said one day, with frustration in her voice, “You wouldn’t take it if you did need it, would you?”
Though we were still at that time on “good terms,” I told her “Honestly, no I wouldn’t. I’m a big girl and I have lived within my means since I have been an adult and supported myself. The only money I ever took from you was the money I borrowed from you for the kids’ school tuition while I was in college and I paid that back.”
Later, when I went to the probate court to get the Trojan Horse Psychopath tossed out of her home, and my cousin appointed as her power of attorney (she had taken me off and appointed my DIL who was later arrested after stealing $24,000 from mother and trying to kill my other son), my mother told her attorney how “generous she had been to me.” I guess she was referring to the $100 she had given me for my birthdays and once when she had given me $10,000 at Christmas “so the IRS won’t get it after I’m dead.” (Mind you, not because she wanted to give it to me, but to keep the IRS from getting it.)
Reciprocity
Reciprocity is a good thing. My best friend and I do things for or give each other things all the time. We don’t even keep any “score” on who has done the most for the other. But over all, it “evens out” through the years. This year she may do more for me, or I may do more for her, but it has never been one sided. That’s the way it should be. Some give and some take in relationships. Not one-sided.
Especially in new relationships, notice the reciprocity, or lack of it, in the relationship. Does it come on too fast? Are they trying to give too much or take too much? Are they trying to push the relationship too fast forward so that you don’t have time to really get to know them in a variety of situations? If so, be aware that you should keep an eye on “new friends who come bearing way too many gifts, way too soon.”
BulletProof:
The man who bought you that painting is a gaslighter.
Instead of buying you something that YOU loved, it sounds like he bought you something that HE loved, or what he wanted you to have.
It seems like you had no emotional connection to this painting.
But, he sure “appeared” to be a nice boyfriend by purchasing a painting for you.
Ladies, watch out for these types of men.
They want to come off as looking like they are romantic and attentive boyfriends.
But, in actuality, it’s all about them.
In the book, “The Gaslight Effect”, Robin Stern calls these types of people “Glamour” Gaslighters or “Good Guy” Gaslighters.
Also, I have found that P’s are not always the best gift-givers.
It could be as simple as that.
Dear Rosa, People who do not understand or really KNOW you cannot buy a “gift” that you will really like because they don’t know what you like and what you don’t. Or like my X-BF-P he wanted to buy me a big flashy and costly gift to make himself seem great, not even knowing that it would actually in my mind be almost like a guy getting out of bed with you and handing you money thinking he was “being nice to you” LOL
Buying a wonderful or gret gift is not about spending lots of money it is CHOOSING something perfect because you know what they like. Some of the MOST INEXPENSIVE GIFTS I ever gave were the most appreciated because it was something my friend would like and treasure not because of COST but because they liked that sort of thing and someone who was not close to them wouldn’t know that that particular item would really please them.
I must admit that my late husband bought me gifts that HE wanted or HE thought were cool, not what I would have enjoyed more, but I NEVER TOLD HIM that, because I didn’t want to hurt his feelins and I knew he would be hurt—the fact that he WANTED to get me something that he THOUGHT would be REALLY COOL was enough of a gift in itself! And I admit that some of them were fun things, a 1969 Cadillac convertible with the tail fins, painted bright yellow!!! 22 feet long, I looked like HIGHWAY EQUIPMENT coming down the road, either that, or a PIMP! It was “show room new” and had been completely restored like new Except I doubt that any one of them were ever that AWFUL SHADE of yellow when they came out of the factory!
The last thing he got me was a 1966 diesel mersades with only 66,000 miles on it and previously 1 owner. (I am the second) It is cute and does get good milage but I like my pick up! LOL But he TRIED and I liked that! The thing is though, that ANYONE who really doesdn’t know you and tries to buy you a gift of any substance is really I think not about YOU but about THEM.
If someone is just trying to be nice they get you a SMALL, tasteful or useful GENERIC gift….but nothing personal (like a bottle of perfume or slinky underware) IF THERE IS AN OCCASION where it is appropriate. Like a new neighbor might bring over a caserole dish of food, but not a new lawn mower! LOL
i have a big bag of bullshit promises. that’s what i got.
and i won’t list what i gave – it was too much. and i didn’t give as much as i wanted to at the time.
jayzus.
i am listening to joan osborne’s, ‘what if god was one of us’. in it she posited the question, ‘if you could ask god one question what would it be?’ today, it would be, ‘why?’why the spath, why that pain for me?
it’s a young one’s cry from my scraped and raw heart. i honour you, young heart. she was a horror show for us. and she will be a nightmare in the world until she dies. or someone kills her. it won’t be me. ethically and emotionally i think i could. but it isn’t legal, and i am not going to jail.
it is such a hard thing to accept – the presence of evil that we cannot rid the world of. in general, the way to feel empowered, is to accept and find a way to empower others, help others. I can’t. i am too fraking triggered by it all….i feel truly disempowered. i often feel like i have crude oil stuck to me – canna move, canna fly, dragged down by the slime of it. i have to change this, or she ‘wins’.
One_step_at_a_time,
I can totally relate to what you just said:
“it is such a hard thing to accept ”“ the presence of evil that we cannot rid the world of.”
I do not feel empowered, yet, but lately I’ve been feeling little spurts of it coming back. Everyday of re-building and watching my children grow in safety and happiness – peace. Like watching new life sprout out of scorched ground.
I don’t expect to ever feel completely empowered, again. How could I ever forget the truth I’ve learned about the world – that it’s imperfect, that there are truly evil people, and that wrong things happen all the time, with no justice.
Instead, I’m resolved to adapt. Let life (I think God) teach me about itself. Accept life for its fragility and beauty, in the midst of chaos and destruction.
Maybe that’s why God put these people on the earth. To remind us to feel blessed when we have moments of peace, purity and happiness – and when we (if we’re so lucky) to find love.
Dear PureWAters,
WELCOME to LF! Glad you are here, and actually you sound like you are ADAPTING very well! It is adapt or die where these people are concerned because if they don’t kill us physically, they kill our souls!
Glad you are here, keep on learning, adapting and growing!
Again, welcome and God bless.
Purewaters –
i am rebuilding my life also, small steps at a time. it’s quite a wasteland and i am not well physically. or should i say chronically ill? that’s more accurate. but, where i am getting hitched up is that the ppath and life are such different things…i need a bridge from one to the other inside of me. and i don’t know if that can happen until i bring this out to the light of day. it’s like having an awful secret, in as much as i am ashamed and embarrassed at how my ability to function has been severely compromised (PTSD), and i see choice eroding before me (not like i wasn’t challenged to begin with) and i want to scream, ‘it was her fault’! but their is no easy justice. sometimes it is all too much.
Rosa
I know it now….but I thought he was so cute to buy me a painting like a guy who buys flowers, he knew I loved art…you know this P had’nt an artistic bone in his body..he didn’t appreciate the aesthetic, he did’nt understand it but it was a clever move, He Bought something outside his realm of understanding…for me. Art like poetry and literature capture the complexity of what it is to BE HUMAN…psychopaths havent a clue how to interpret art…are there any art loving psychopaths out there? NO
bulletproof – mine seems to have an eye.
mind you, she might also be stealing others’ ideas of what good art is. sigh.
she sure can con artists too.
BulletProof:
“are there any art loving psychopaths out there? NO”
Ummm….Wow, BulletProof……I think I could debate you on this question.
I think I may have actually met an art-loving psychopath (or something) right here on this site.
It was a while ago, and only a few LF members will know what I’m talking about.
So, I will refrain from saying any more.
But, let’s just say that I do not believe an “art-loving P” is outside the realm of possibilities.
I think there may actually be a few out there.
One_step_at_a_time,
I am sorry to hear of your PTSD. That’s a horrible thing, and I can’t imagine what your sociopath did to you to cause such an awful reaction.