By Ox Drover
When I was a kid growing up, one of the “old sayings” that was bandied around the family was the one about “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.” As a small child this didn’t make any sense, since there weren’t any Greeks that I knew of living anywhere around where we lived in central Arkansas. (The phrase actually refers to the story of the ancient Greeks invading Troy by hiding soldiers in a massive wooden horse that was given to the city as a gift—the Trojan Horse.)
This saying could have been paraphrased as “beware of ANYONE that you don’t trust bearing gifts.”
Many cultures teach their children that if someone does a favor for you, the “law of reciprocity” means you are indebted to them if you accept the favor. My own culture, the Scots-Irish, will do a favor for almost anyone, but will only accept a favor from someone who is a very close friend or relative, and very trusted.
Giving to a neighbor
When we moved back to Arkansas on a small 6-acre farmette, my son and I purchased some dairy goats, as he was allergic to cow milk. Goats are like rabbits and multiply rapidly, and before long we were milking seven, with much more milk than we could use, so we fed it to young pigs.
One of our neighbors, who lived on a large farm, had found an orphan deer and they were bottle feeding it. I know that deer are first cousins to goats, and that a baby deer will literally starve to death on cow milk. I asked them if they would like some goat milk to feed their baby deer, and told them I was literally pouring out excess milk. They refused to take it, but later came back begging to buy it because their baby deer was starving to death! Being the contrary person that I am, I REFUSED TO SELL IT TO THEM, but would GIVE IT TO THEM. Knowing what I was doing, I actually forced these people who didn’t know me very well to accept a favor from me.
I knew these people were uncomfortable by accepting a gift from a relative stranger, so I put them between a rock and a hard place. They were forced to choose between letting their pet starve, or accepting a favor from me. They took the favor, and afterwards we became very, very good friends, until their deaths some 20 years later.
I guess really this was sort of “mean” of me to knowingly make them uncomfortable, because I knew their cultural prejudices and I knew why they were reluctant to take the milk when I first offered it to them. I could have chosen to sell the milk to them and had an “even trade.” I decided, though, that I wanted them for friends, and by making them accept my favor, I knew they would think I was the “best neighbor.”
Gifts and trust
Many of us have the same feelings, though they are maybe not conscious, but more subconscious, that people who do nice things for us when they first meet us are courtly, generous, giving, helpful, etc. We think they are more trustworthy than they really are.
Me giving those people milk, knowing I had them in a place they could hardly refuse, that they wouldn’t refuse, and knowing it would raise me in their esteem unconsciously, wasn’t for any financial or other kind of gain. But if I had been a psychopath, it very well could have been. Within a month of meeting me and accepting the gift of the milk, those people would have given me the keys to their house. I was a trusted family friend.
Have you ever met someone who instantly wanted to be your “best friend?” Who wanted to do things for you or give you things when you hardly know them? Psychopaths frequently do this, and it is sometimes called the “love bomb.” The potential victim is “set up” by the cult or abuser by being very, very giving and generous to them with kind words, kind deeds, and other things that will raise the psychopath in the esteem of the victim. “He is so sweet, he brought me roses every time we went out.” “He is just such a wonderful person.”
Psychopathic ex
Actually, bringing me roses doesn’t prove you are a nice person. Or, like my psychopathic now ex-boyfriend, mowing my egg donor’s yard, or helping out around my farm, didn’t mean he was a nice guy. About a week after I started dating him, my washing machine died. I mentioned I was going to have to get another one the next day, and he immediately said, ”Oh, I’ll buy you a new washer.”
Immediately my WARNING: RED FLAG sign went up (“Beware of new friends bearing gifts”) and I thanked him but said, “No, thank you, that’s way too big a gift for you to get me, I’ll buy my own.” He was actually offended and sort of “huffed” about the rest of the evening. I later found out that he had bought large items for his harem of girlfriends while he was married, even paid their rent, etc. I didn’t, however, ACT ON the “warning” at that time; I only realized it later.
Money from mom
After my late husband was killed and I retired, I had no real pressing financial needs as everything I own was paid for. My egg donor, who is probably quite a bit better off financially than I am, though, kept asking me if I “needed money.” I always told her, “Nope, I’m doing fine, thanks.”
However, she did this frequently enough that it got to be kind of a strain between us. Finally she said one day, with frustration in her voice, “You wouldn’t take it if you did need it, would you?”
Though we were still at that time on “good terms,” I told her “Honestly, no I wouldn’t. I’m a big girl and I have lived within my means since I have been an adult and supported myself. The only money I ever took from you was the money I borrowed from you for the kids’ school tuition while I was in college and I paid that back.”
Later, when I went to the probate court to get the Trojan Horse Psychopath tossed out of her home, and my cousin appointed as her power of attorney (she had taken me off and appointed my DIL who was later arrested after stealing $24,000 from mother and trying to kill my other son), my mother told her attorney how “generous she had been to me.” I guess she was referring to the $100 she had given me for my birthdays and once when she had given me $10,000 at Christmas “so the IRS won’t get it after I’m dead.” (Mind you, not because she wanted to give it to me, but to keep the IRS from getting it.)
Reciprocity
Reciprocity is a good thing. My best friend and I do things for or give each other things all the time. We don’t even keep any “score” on who has done the most for the other. But over all, it “evens out” through the years. This year she may do more for me, or I may do more for her, but it has never been one sided. That’s the way it should be. Some give and some take in relationships. Not one-sided.
Especially in new relationships, notice the reciprocity, or lack of it, in the relationship. Does it come on too fast? Are they trying to give too much or take too much? Are they trying to push the relationship too fast forward so that you don’t have time to really get to know them in a variety of situations? If so, be aware that you should keep an eye on “new friends who come bearing way too many gifts, way too soon.”
Dear Buttons,
Yea, those “gifts” that are “payments on control” are a way to subtly abuse and to get people in the FOG, Fear, Obligation and Guilt.”
“Well, he did do X for me or buy me Y, so he must be a good guy?” NOOOOOOO!!!!! I found this out with my X-In-laws (the male was a P) they did things for us that we didn’t even want them to do, then “charged” us for what they did, IN QUARTS OF EMOTIONAL BLOOD!!!! I doubt that my poor X-huisband ever broke away from those emotional vampires even if they are dead now, he was so hooked into trying to please them that he dissociated to the max from what was going on.
Gosh I wish I had known then what I know now about psychopaths, but….(sigh) I didn’t, so probably couldn’t have rescued him anyway! LOL I have learned we have to rescue ourselves and can’t do it with others.
hens – up and down over here – and not in a good way.
lots of health and pain issues (configuring speech recognition software tonight – my hands are not good) and i am seeing more ‘wreckage’ – losing friends, feeling scared about the next few weeks and money, still looking for work, have a bit of writign work – but need hands good for that. so lots of worry. trying to not push myself, but dang it’s hard to not be able to get much done.
but what can i do? really i am doing the best i can. it just kinda sucks compared to what i could do before.
i have a 2nd interview for a position later this week. not sure i can even do the job, with my PTSD brain and all the pain. I have put a lot into getting it though. 2 more days of prep to go.
i want to take care of myself and be loving to myself and fuck everyone else if they can’t deal with my new normal. sure wish i didn’t have to work. 😉
anywho….bet you look dashing with your eye patch. stay away from ‘depth’ sports…like driving.
Onestep Bless your heart I wish I had a magic wand to wave over your head and take all your problems away.. I was wanting to tell you about Posey my 9 pound weiner dog, she is a bunnie murderer, I was so upset with her she didnt eat it, she just killed it cause she could I guess..and Crickit ran off the other day for about 4 hours, finally came home covered in ticks and all scratched up, I am sure she was lost, I was beside myself with worry as I have seen a mountain lion down the road a few times recently..so rules have changed around here and I am keeping them confined more..Harley sits in his chair and watches all this drama out the window under the comfort of the air conditioning..
Dear One,
Take care of you sweetie! Looking back now I think of all the times I was IN DESPERATE NEED OF CARE, and I didn’t even realize it. Heck I had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever for over 2 months and was so sick I could hardly walk (literally!!) and thought it was “stress” until I finally realized I was running high fevers at night! Went to the doctor and he found that, but though I also had something else cause I was SO sick and WEAK.
While I was falling apart I was FOCUSED on my anger and rage at the Ps, and the carp they were pulling! I know it is hard to let go of the sheet they pull, or did pull, and your anger at it, but you can only get better if your STRESS level can go down and as long as you focus on that anger etc. the stress level won’t go down.
You dont have to give it up forever if you don’t want to, but what about PACKING IT UP IN A BOX, and putting it away for now in to “storage”—and every time you start to think about it or feel about it, say to yourself “That’s in storage, I don’t have time for it today, so I am going to focus on things that need to be done TODAY That can Wait!”
It sounds crazy but it does help, it works.!!!! (((Hugs))))
It’s amazing how much we learn after being involved with these spaths. I have started analyzing a lot of my relationships with friends and everyone now. I am very careful about who I let into my life. This was a good article and it reminded me of a friendship that I had during the time that I dated the spath and the friendship ended the month after we broke up. I would love to know what people here think about this.
The spath and I met at work. This gal from the other ICU across the hall transferred to our ICU and she worked with me and the spath. She immediately wanted to be my buddy and we were both not in the clique there so it was easy to become friends. We used to mock all the childish and obnoxious behavior from our coworkers. We started talking about a lot of stuff together. She was a single mom and divorced and 10 years older than me. She had degrees in biology and psychology. She did brag a lot about her educational status and seemed to think she was “above” others.
Here is the weird thing-she divorced her husband for cheating on her but she knew about my relationship with the married spath and encouraged it. She was there in the beginning when I was confused and guilty about falling for him. She seemed to be really into hearing about the relationship and being my sounding board. She would listen to me when I was upset about him. She always wanted me to give him the benefit of the doubt and encouraged me to stay with him even when he was making me feel so bad for only being with me part-time and staying with his wife. My self esteem was going down and I was getting hurt and she kept encouraging it all. She said that he really loved me because he had changed so much and became this really nice guy after getting with me.
After he discarded me, she was there to listen but seemed to sometimes get aggravated at me cuz I was unable to get over him. She acted like my emotions didn’t mean anything and couldn’t see why I was so upset-despite knowing that he was then getting divorced and planning his life with me and suddenly turned into Mr Hyde and bolted. She was totally unsympathetic. WHen I had to quit my police academy I couldn’t get a nursing job back. NO ONE was hiring last summer in New Orleans. She lived an hour away in Baton Rouge and there were more jobs there. She had left the New Orleans job at that point and was working there. I thought that being up there would be a good change of scenery for me-not too far from home but away from running into the spath and his wife somewhere because I was devastated at the time. I kept asking her to help me get a job there and she refused. She wasn’t happy there and “knew” that I wouldn’t be either-even though I was desperate to get away. We got into an argument about it. I asked if there was a reason that she didn’t want me up there and she flew off the handle and went off on me. I didn’t feel like I did anything wrong. She was only “real” friend in the whole state-or so I thought and it hurt that she was angry and wouldn’t talk to me. I kept apologizing to her and she wouldn’t hear it. I sent a text an email and a later a voice message to apologize and she blew me off and I never heard from her again.
The whole thing seems really really strange to me now. Her motives with trying to buddy up to me give me a bad vibe. I don’t understand why someone in her situation would encourage me in a relationship with the married man-even though she knew that I was feeling so bad about myself. What kind of a friend does that? Not a real one for sure. I feel kinda stupid for being taken in by her and I think that there is really something with wrong with her. Bottomline-if I knew then what I know now. She would never have been in my life.
One of the sociopaths at my current job keeps brown nosing me and trying to buddy up to me as well. I have heard of him running around on his wife but talks all lovey dovey to her on the phone so people can hear him. He friend requested me on facebook and gave me a DVD that he burned containing all sorts of music from his library. I DO NOT have facebook relationships with anyone from work, so I ignored his request and I generally ignore him as much as possible.
I hate these creepy people trying to nose their way into my life. It’s disgusting!
erin1972, I think you are right, she does not sound like a real friend,
it does sound like there is something wrong with her,
after divorcing her husband for cheating +
still encouraging you to keep seeing a married man =
NOT a friend / weird.
A woman I knew for a couple of years,
I thought we were becoming good friends…
she just cut me off, wouldn’t even return my calls.
I don’t know why!!! At least call me and tell me!!!!!!!
one step
6 ways to cheer yourself up (only if you want to)
show yourself compassion
Accept yourself
Respect yourself
Encourage yourself
Support yourself
Stroke yourself
sit down with a stuffed animal, or doll , or pillow on your lap
(the cat might not “get” this so best not to use him/her for this exersize to avoid facial injury )
get comfortable, close eyes, breathe deeply…slowly in and out to relax yourself. When you feel fully relaxed….. imagine that your small vulnerable self is on your lap and in your arms…. See yourself holding her and speaking softly to her…. Tell her you believe her, and you will always love her….. Rock her gently in your arms and let your love envelop her….. Run your fingers through her hair (i’m so sorry your hands hurt one step) …. stroke her face…really take your time…. only when you feel truly ready, open your eyes and return to the room.
Carolynn Hillman ‘recovery of your Self Esteem- a guide for women’
This really hit the spot for me, as I was desperate for touch, being held and reassured. Turns out I had an ‘inner nurturer’ who knew exactely what to do, as I cannot trust anyone much less let anyone ‘hold me’ yet until we are held in a loving embrace the body is in distress.
I appreciate it may be too touchy feely tree hug style for many, but it really comforted deep down and touched a spot that was pining for some tender loving care, which is the core of any recovery from post traumatic stress. (((((hugs)))))
Talking of spaths and gifts,-Xmas, 2008, I was so excited to have bought my spath daughter a really really special present. Id seen a picture of her on her facebook,[that is, before she “unfriended me”}, of her wearing a borrowed necklace of huge black pearlsworth thousands, that a very wealthy friend of hers had lent herfor the evening.. I saw this gorgeous necklace in a jewellers window, huge black cultured pearls,A$400 reduced to A$250.So, I paid it off,-even got a super swish long red leather box for it. Came Xmas day, she opened it, tried it on, seemed to like it, but quite “underwhelmed” . I still have this pic of me looking at her like a sick puppy, begging fora bone. What did she get for me? Well, she has always given me crap presents. Usually “freebies” .mostly remaindered books,
or books with”not for resale” stamped on them, or really nasty cheap foot lotion kits. That Xmas I got a book about crocodiles, with tiny print, and small black and white old fashioned drawings. David got one the same, on Koalas. hello?
Obviously freebies again. Even the gift wrap looked used, and crumpled.She used to do articles for a magazine about health spas, and she got lots of free spa treatments, i dropped plenty of hints, but, no, never once got one for me.What is it with these people?I usually throw them out, they are such an insult.Love, Mama gem. Nice to be back!!XXX
A real jet ski?
And all for me?
What the F–k!
I wanted a truck!
Its plain to see
If you REALLY loved me!
Just my luck!
I wanted a truck!
BBWWAAAAHHH!! Now Ill give my thumb a suck!
{For EB, you gotta laugh, right?}
Mama Gem.!!
I think that many people, myself included, give freely and generously in this way. However I think it’s definitely true that Ps and Socios exploit this behaviour for their own again. I suspect that the best thing we can do is trust our instincts about someone – does this person feel like one of us? (just very loving by nature) A good rule of thumb is to trust how we feel around the person – if we feel creeped out or feel we are being manipulated then we probably are.