By Ox Drover
When I was a kid growing up, one of the “old sayings” that was bandied around the family was the one about “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.” As a small child this didn’t make any sense, since there weren’t any Greeks that I knew of living anywhere around where we lived in central Arkansas. (The phrase actually refers to the story of the ancient Greeks invading Troy by hiding soldiers in a massive wooden horse that was given to the city as a gift—the Trojan Horse.)
This saying could have been paraphrased as “beware of ANYONE that you don’t trust bearing gifts.”
Many cultures teach their children that if someone does a favor for you, the “law of reciprocity” means you are indebted to them if you accept the favor. My own culture, the Scots-Irish, will do a favor for almost anyone, but will only accept a favor from someone who is a very close friend or relative, and very trusted.
Giving to a neighbor
When we moved back to Arkansas on a small 6-acre farmette, my son and I purchased some dairy goats, as he was allergic to cow milk. Goats are like rabbits and multiply rapidly, and before long we were milking seven, with much more milk than we could use, so we fed it to young pigs.
One of our neighbors, who lived on a large farm, had found an orphan deer and they were bottle feeding it. I know that deer are first cousins to goats, and that a baby deer will literally starve to death on cow milk. I asked them if they would like some goat milk to feed their baby deer, and told them I was literally pouring out excess milk. They refused to take it, but later came back begging to buy it because their baby deer was starving to death! Being the contrary person that I am, I REFUSED TO SELL IT TO THEM, but would GIVE IT TO THEM. Knowing what I was doing, I actually forced these people who didn’t know me very well to accept a favor from me.
I knew these people were uncomfortable by accepting a gift from a relative stranger, so I put them between a rock and a hard place. They were forced to choose between letting their pet starve, or accepting a favor from me. They took the favor, and afterwards we became very, very good friends, until their deaths some 20 years later.
I guess really this was sort of “mean” of me to knowingly make them uncomfortable, because I knew their cultural prejudices and I knew why they were reluctant to take the milk when I first offered it to them. I could have chosen to sell the milk to them and had an “even trade.” I decided, though, that I wanted them for friends, and by making them accept my favor, I knew they would think I was the “best neighbor.”
Gifts and trust
Many of us have the same feelings, though they are maybe not conscious, but more subconscious, that people who do nice things for us when they first meet us are courtly, generous, giving, helpful, etc. We think they are more trustworthy than they really are.
Me giving those people milk, knowing I had them in a place they could hardly refuse, that they wouldn’t refuse, and knowing it would raise me in their esteem unconsciously, wasn’t for any financial or other kind of gain. But if I had been a psychopath, it very well could have been. Within a month of meeting me and accepting the gift of the milk, those people would have given me the keys to their house. I was a trusted family friend.
Have you ever met someone who instantly wanted to be your “best friend?” Who wanted to do things for you or give you things when you hardly know them? Psychopaths frequently do this, and it is sometimes called the “love bomb.” The potential victim is “set up” by the cult or abuser by being very, very giving and generous to them with kind words, kind deeds, and other things that will raise the psychopath in the esteem of the victim. “He is so sweet, he brought me roses every time we went out.” “He is just such a wonderful person.”
Psychopathic ex
Actually, bringing me roses doesn’t prove you are a nice person. Or, like my psychopathic now ex-boyfriend, mowing my egg donor’s yard, or helping out around my farm, didn’t mean he was a nice guy. About a week after I started dating him, my washing machine died. I mentioned I was going to have to get another one the next day, and he immediately said, ”Oh, I’ll buy you a new washer.”
Immediately my WARNING: RED FLAG sign went up (“Beware of new friends bearing gifts”) and I thanked him but said, “No, thank you, that’s way too big a gift for you to get me, I’ll buy my own.” He was actually offended and sort of “huffed” about the rest of the evening. I later found out that he had bought large items for his harem of girlfriends while he was married, even paid their rent, etc. I didn’t, however, ACT ON the “warning” at that time; I only realized it later.
Money from mom
After my late husband was killed and I retired, I had no real pressing financial needs as everything I own was paid for. My egg donor, who is probably quite a bit better off financially than I am, though, kept asking me if I “needed money.” I always told her, “Nope, I’m doing fine, thanks.”
However, she did this frequently enough that it got to be kind of a strain between us. Finally she said one day, with frustration in her voice, “You wouldn’t take it if you did need it, would you?”
Though we were still at that time on “good terms,” I told her “Honestly, no I wouldn’t. I’m a big girl and I have lived within my means since I have been an adult and supported myself. The only money I ever took from you was the money I borrowed from you for the kids’ school tuition while I was in college and I paid that back.”
Later, when I went to the probate court to get the Trojan Horse Psychopath tossed out of her home, and my cousin appointed as her power of attorney (she had taken me off and appointed my DIL who was later arrested after stealing $24,000 from mother and trying to kill my other son), my mother told her attorney how “generous she had been to me.” I guess she was referring to the $100 she had given me for my birthdays and once when she had given me $10,000 at Christmas “so the IRS won’t get it after I’m dead.” (Mind you, not because she wanted to give it to me, but to keep the IRS from getting it.)
Reciprocity
Reciprocity is a good thing. My best friend and I do things for or give each other things all the time. We don’t even keep any “score” on who has done the most for the other. But over all, it “evens out” through the years. This year she may do more for me, or I may do more for her, but it has never been one sided. That’s the way it should be. Some give and some take in relationships. Not one-sided.
Especially in new relationships, notice the reciprocity, or lack of it, in the relationship. Does it come on too fast? Are they trying to give too much or take too much? Are they trying to push the relationship too fast forward so that you don’t have time to really get to know them in a variety of situations? If so, be aware that you should keep an eye on “new friends who come bearing way too many gifts, way too soon.”
GEM:
YOU CRACK ME UP GIRL!!!!!!
(clean up your language Btw!!!) 🙂
Thanks for the laugh.
Dear Gem,
Hey gal, you’re a poet and didn’t know it, but your FEE SHOW IT,they are LONG FELLERS!!!! LOL Great poem BTW!!!
Yea, the way they are DIS-interested or DIS-appointed in even the nicest gift, and give you carp or freebies, is a definite tip off of how they feel about you. But you know, some of them DO have enough “Manners” that they will pretend to like a gift even if it isn’t the CROWN JEWELS or TRUCK that they wanted, but others just use the gift as a put down.
I think, personally, that even if someone you love has chosen a poor gift for you (something you don’t really appreciate or want) that you at least show some gratitude and appreciation for their effort to please you, but the Ps don’t seem to GET THAT concept.
But we knew that already didn’t we gang!
OxD, I’ve been given things by people that I would never, ever use in a million years, but I always try to express sincere gratitude for their thoughtfulness. My MIL gave me a brooch for my 50th birthday last month – I do not wear brooches, and I have NEVER worn one. A year before that, I was given this lime-green faux alligator handbag. The year before that, I was given a set of black & white dish towels with kitties on them. I never roll my eyes, but after all is said and done and the ‘rents have gone home, I just shake my head and ask my partner, “What was she thinking?” LMAO!!!!
And, I agree – Gem, you’re a riot and a DEFINITE poet!
Dear Buttons,
You lknow so many people don’t have any idea of what is simply GOOD MANNERS. Good manners ALONE to me would make you at least say something nice to someone who got you something.
I got a birthday gift for one of my husband’s relatives, I had NO idea what to get her but had to get her something so I got her some really nice BATH SALTS and when she opened it, her face fell and she said “I take showers, not baths!” then did the closest thing she could to throwing it against the wall by flinging it onto a table. I’ve never felt so insulted in my life. LOL Talk about being “floored” boy I was, but you know what, I never liked or trusted her after that so it was a CHEAP lesson for me about what kind of person she was.
I figure that ANY way we find out what kind of person someone is (especially a toxic one) that is a cheap lesson at ANY price if we get away from them with our lives and limbs intact!
What we must be sure to do is to RECOGNISE what kind of person would be RUDE when accepting a gift of any kind. And don’t try to tell me anyone that they do NOT KNOW THEY ARE BEING RUDE, even some of these teenaged kids who act like that KNOW they are being rude!
YES, OXD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The former spath friend said, OUT LOUD, on Christmas Day in front of her family that the Margarita-maker “wasn’t the one I wanted.” Same holds true with everything that she was ever given.
For being a part of her wedding, she gifted me with a sterling earring & pendant set that had amethyst in it because, “Hubby loves the color purple.” I don’t care for amethyst, but I didn’t say it. After the shit hit the proverbial fan, they were part of what I tossed into the creek, too! LOLOLOL Tainted, poisoned, and ugly-as-sin.
Dear Buttons, Oh, yes, “that wasn’t the one I wanted”–ROTFLMAO. I say you didn’t “lose much” when you dumped this “friend”—I cleaned out my rolodex over the last four or five years, the last two especially, and dumped some openly, and just drifted away from some others intentionally.
Life is so much sweeter when you are not pithed off or anxious all the time about the “next shoe falling” because they are frequently pithhing you off or making you wonder WHAT CAN TOP THIS? They always seem to manage to top it too!
When I look back at how I CRIED for days when I caught one of my friends IN THE ACT STEALING FROM ME, I had never caught her before but I KNEW it HAD TO BE HER, and I was soooooooo worried about hurting HER FREAKING FEELINGS!!!! When I set a boundary!!!!
Later I caught her trying to cross that boundary too, which was “CALL before you come to my farm/hoome.” She picked a day that she THOUGHT I would be gone, and she did “call” just as she turned in the gate, but SUPRISE I WAS HOME!!!! I asked her where she was. She STAMMERED and said, Oh, I’m ah er ah, at the gate, but I WASN’T GOING TO COME IN IF YOU WEREN’T HOME!!! Yeas, I beleve that, she drove 40+ miles one way ON THE CHANCE I WOULD BE HOME. ROTFLMAO
So she came in and I did NOT let her out of my sight, she was TIGHT JAWED TOO. I never did figure out what she was after, they had a frew things still stored here but she only took one small box of junk in her large empty van, and as I tried to make “conversation” she was only giving mono sylable answers and you could see the muscles in her jaws clench.
On the way out the gate, I said “Next time you need to come here CALL 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE so Ii can be sure we make connection and I am home so you won’t have to possibly drive so far and find EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE GATE LOCKED UP. I wouldn’t want you to waste all that gas and time.
I never saw her again, and her husband and she had some stuff stored in an off-farm building I own and I gave them til June last year to get the stuff out before I burned it. In NOVEMBER he contacted me by e mail to tell me he LOST MY PHONE NUMBER SO HADN’T BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT ME. LOL
That was an old one too, the last time he didn’t want to contact me he said that he tried calling my son and D didn’t answer his phone…D never got a call from him. LIAR LIAR, ,PANTS ON FIRE!
Then he started smearing us to our mutual friends, because we had no pity on him.
Well, you know, we were fortunate with him in that none of our friends believed a word of what he said.
But the best thing in the world is to ELIMINATE these DRAMA queens and kings out of your life. It makes things so much simpler. Now, I have NO PROBLEM eliminating them…..no matter what the relationship is. Even eliminated son C in December about the first of the year. THAT one DID HURT but you know, he KNEW BEFORE HAND that telling me LIES, even ONE would be the end of our relationship. It hurt but I did it anyway, I did NOT excuse or make reasons why the poor baby thought he had to lie to me, HE KNEW THE CONSEQUENCES OF LYING TO ME, and he chose to take that risk….and funny thing is, he has NEVER BEEN ANY GOOD AT LYING, HE TELEGRAPHS THAT “HEY, THIS IS GONNA BE A LIE!”
Ever since he was a little kid he was a bad liar, he puts in too many unnecessary details to try to make it sound “plausible” and instead just says I’M LYING. LOL
With “friends” not as close as my son, though, I have eliminated them now without a back ward glance….and so I am getting better at it and realizing I don’t have to PUT UP withh all this drama and nonsense. It’s a good feeling!
erin1972—In regards to your workplace story, do you think that she was perhaps formerly involved with your spath and that he dumped her? By her befriending you, she was able to get all the juice on your relationship and by encouraging you to stay, she could get off on your misery. And once you were no longer involved with him, you were of no use to her?
OxD—this was a great article. When dating or in a relationship, even the nicest most generous guys have let me pay for something if I insisted, movie tickets, an occasional lunch, a round of drinks, whatever… Though one other offered assistance when I was going through a rough patch, I think he knew that I would decline. I am not well off by any stretch, but know that what I get myself into, I need to be able to get out of. My S on the other hand, even being involved over a year, never once let me pay for anything, even supplies or minor repairs on my own home. If he were present, he was footing the bill. I enjoyed it at first, made me feel cared for, taken care of, but eventually, I ended up feeling dirty. I said in other posts that when my kids gave the thumbs up to him, that I felt all was right with the world. Funny how I forgot how they also said Mom, Mr. S is like TOO nice!!
Shana31-I doubt she was formerly involved with him because they didn’t know each other until she met me but his scorned wife told me that he was cheating on me and he swore up and down that he wasn’t. She said that he was going upstate and hooking up when we were together and I will never know if that’s true-nor do I care. It may have been her trying to make me feel bad cuz she was humiliated. After this girl dropped our friendship, I started to wonder if he had hooked up with her. If he did, oh well. Who knows. I just thought the whole thing was weird. I definitely know she wasn’t a friend and I think there’s something wrong with her. I would never treat someone like that. She and I used to always talk about not getting too friendly with work people. I have since learned that work and home life is totally separate. I am super careful now on how much I let people into my life.
erin-sorry, I must have misunderstood. When she said how much he had changed, I assumed they had known each other before.
Either way, lessons learned in being super careful!! 🙂
To Rosa:
My son’s dad was like that. He insisted on buying me things that I didn’t want. I would finally give into his persistence just to shut him up.
I would tell him what I want. He never bought me the thing I asked for. He bought me the opposite. And, he expected a million “thank you”s with lots of kisses while I wore the coat that made me look like an Easter Egg. Or when he replaced our refrigerator with the 1950’s model that requires de-iceing every week…. while he laid on the couch.