It’s amazing how people can have differing opinions of the same book. Last May, the Lovefraud Reader Ox Drover wrote a review of The Gaslight Effect, by Dr. Robin Stern. I am always on the lookout for books that will help readers understand, and recover from, a traumatic entanglement with a sociopath. Because Oxy was so complimentary about The Gaslight Effect, I was anxious to read it, and possibly recommend it to others.
Well, I read the book, but I’m not sure I can recommend it.
Oxy did point out that Dr. Stern never mentions the word, “sociopath,” referring to the perpetrator as the “gaslighter,” and the victim as the “gaslightee.” Although Oxy was willing to look past this omission, I’m not.
First of all, let’s define “gaslighting.” According to Wikipedia:
Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Gaslighting is nasty behavior. The problem I have with this book is that Dr. Stern never, ever mentions, not once, that a person who is gaslighting someone else may be malicious, controlling, and intent on destroying the soul of the victim. She does not mention that the gaslighter may be mentally and emotionally abusing someone else, simply for his or her amusement. She does not say that the gaslighter may be evil.
Here’s how Dr. Stern defines the gaslighting relationship:
The Gaslight Effect results from a relationship between two people: a gaslighter, who needs to be right in order to preserve his own sense of self and his sense of having power in the world; and a gaslightee, who allows the gaslighter to define her sense of reality because she idealizes him and seeks his approval.
This definition makes it seem like the two parties—gaslighter and gaslightee—are equally responsible for the dynamics. I don’t think that’s true. Then, a few pages later, Dr. Stern writes:
Of course, neither of you may be aware of what’s really happening. The gaslighter may genuinely believe every word he tells you or sincerely feel that he’s only saving you from yourself. Remember: He’s being driven by his own needs. Your gaslighter might seem like a strong, powerful man, or he may appear to be an insecure, tantrum-throwing little boy; either way, he feels weak and powerless. To feel powerful and safe, he has to prove that he is right, and he has to get you to agree with him.
Excuse me while I barf. Sociopaths who engage in gaslighting do not feel weak and powerless. They are motivated by dominance and feel totally entitled to do what they want and take what they want, even if it is someone else’s sanity.
Three types of gaslighters
Next, Dr. Stern describes three types of gaslighters—the Glamour Gaslighter, the Good-Guy Gaslighter, and the Intimidator. She spends the most time describing the Glamour Gaslighter:
He lets you know you’re the most wonderful woman in the world, the only one who’s ever understood him, the fairy-tale princess who has magically transformed his life. He’ll transform your life, too, he implies or even promises, he’ll shower you with affection, take you to wonderful places, sweep you off your feet with gifts or intimate confessions or sexual attention of a kind you’ve never known before.
This is a perfect description of a sociopath in full seduction mode. But Dr. Stern doesn’t seem to get it. Instead, she explains that this man is in love with the idea of a relationship. He likes to be a leading man, and is looking for a leading lady to fill her part.
Dr. Stern describes the Good-Guy Gaslighter as someone who needs to appear reasonable and good, but is deeply committed to getting his own way. She spends the least amount of time describing the Intimidator, perhaps because the problems are so obvious—put-downs, yelling, bullying, guilt trips and other types of punishment. In order for a relationship with an Intimidator to be more satisfying, she says, the Intimidator will need to alter his way of relating. Yeah, right.
Stress response
Much of this book describes sample cases of gaslightees trying to understand and cope with gaslighters. I’m sure this helps people realize and identify what is going on in these relationships.
The book, however, falls down when Dr. Stern explains why this behavior happens. She writes, “Gaslighting is a response to stress; people become either gaslighters or gaslightees when they feel threatened.”
Sociopaths don’t engage in gaslighting because they’re stressed. They engage in it because it’s who they are and what they do. And victims don’t become gaslightees because of stress. They are trapped because of a psychopathic bond created by the predator.
Then, Dr. Stern asks the reader to be honest:
Think about the ways in which you aren’t being your best self. Do you set off your gaslighter by being overly critical or demanding? Do you belittle your gaslighter or play on his vulnerabilities? Do you say or do things that you know will make him crazy?
Gee, the people I hear from are walking on eggshells trying not to set the guy off. Until, of course, it gets so bad that they have not choice but to explode.
What’s your view?
In the last chapter, Dr. Stern offers three courses of action for people in these situations: Changing the gaslighting relationship from within, limiting a gaslighting relationship, or leaving the relationship. Yes, these are the three choices, and the book offers suggestions on how to decide what to do.
When considering whether to stay in the relationship and change it from within, Dr. Stern reminds the reader to be compassionate, both for herself and the gaslighter. She writes:
You don’t have to put up with unlimited bad treatment, but if your gaslighter persists in gaslighting you, you can remind yourself that he is also suffering, perhaps even more than you are. After all, he almost certainly grew up in a home where he was gaslighted by someone and couldn’t make it stop—so now he doesn’t understand why you have the power to say no.
Is this true? I am asking an honest question of Lovefraud readers here, and I would appreciate your feedback. Have any of you ever been subjected to gaslighting by someone who was basically a good person with problems? Can any of you attribute gaslighting behavior to the perpetrator’s stress or internal pain? Or, do you feel that gaslighting behavior is due to sociopathic traits?
Afraid to recommend
Overall, I have mixed feelings about this book, The Gaslight Effect. The author does a good job of explaining what the behavior looks like, and the questions victims should ask themselves to determine what is really going on. She offers strategies for coping with the behavior, including leaving the relationship.
But Dr. Stern seems to come from that school of therapy that believes both parties contribute equally to relationship problems. Throughout the entire book, I kept waiting for the author to warn the reader that some gaslighters have dangerous, pathological personality disorders, and they should run, not walk, for the nearest exit. The warning never came.
Therefore, I’m afraid to recommend the book, because it may encourage people to stay and try to work things out with an abuser. And the longer people stay in a gaslighting relationship, the more power they lose, and the harder it is to finally leave.
Dancing…I want to make it very clear that I assign NO blame to any “victim” of a conman, socio, etc…..
What I am suggesting, is that instead of beating ourselves up for staying with one…is to do a little self analysis…WHEN you are ready.
My first step when I decided to end my r/s’s with socios I’ve been involved with, was to validate that they, in fact WERE disordered..which is how I got onto this site. I googled “pathological liars” and it led me here.
Once I validated that he is one…I needed to vent my anger at him..and then I looked at ME. THAT was the hardest part…..I broke down..a year and a half ago…when I realized that I had allowwed him to use and abuse me. I KNEW it….caught him in lies..yet..forgave him and let him “off the hook”, so to speak…and continued to remain involved.
So, I hated myself for awhile…but I got over that by making up my mind to make a committment to change MYSELF…to learn from it and grow.
So, I got into my spirituality…journalled daily to get my feelings out…and then started to work on myself. …congnitive behavioural analysis…etc..
I had a few setbacks, because when I felt stronger …I did respond to his texts and went back with him…but this time..”I” was handling things differently.
I was being true to myself. By this, I mean…when I felt that he was lying..I wasn’t afraid to confront him. I found that when I did…and he saw me getting wise to him…the r/s wasn’t working anymore. We would argue and he would run…only to call me back when he felt I cooled off..and suck me back in.
Finally, as I grew and became more confident…I realized that the r/s would never work. He couldn’t control me and he got frustrated …and I didn’t budge.
So, twice I went NC for five months. The last time I broke that..which was a few months ago..I told him that we could be “friends”. I wouldn’t sleep with him. He got tired of trying to manipulate me. It wasn’t working anymore!
I got my dignity back by refusing to allow him to manipulate me with words.
I woke up from the fantasy and illusion that he really “loved me” as he SAID. I realized that he didn’t care about me or love me…his actions, minus the words…proved it to me.
I only went back with him because I still believed his words and felt he DID still love me. But, this last time around..(because I am no longer weak and no longer afraid to be alone….and because I am stronger and feel worthwhile and deserving of the best treatment from ANYONE I am involved with…friend, b/f…etc…..)…it wasn’t working for me. I bowed out gracefully…slowly. Everytime he wanted to see me (for sex usually), I said “OK…where are you taking me? What are we doing? Dinner? Movies?” He just wanted me up at his house to seduce me to have sex. I refused to go. He got SO frustrated that he couldn’t get what he wanted…so we didn’t see each other for 2 weeks.
So, he tried throwing crumbs…bought me some stupid gifts…thinking I’d fall for the bait. I didn’t. I took the gifts…and never answered another call or text…
So, you see…I’m not “blaming” myself….But, “I” changed and got stronger and more confident and learned to listen to my gut feeling…..and it was over.
So, when one person in a r/s that is toxic, grows and changes…the r/s won’t work anymore.
When Donna finally got wise to her husbands antics and decided to listen to her gut feeling and investigate..she found her answer…he was a LIAR.
This is what I mean…about being a “victim”. Yes, I was “victim” to his lies and manipulations..but I now consider myself…a SURVIVOR…not a victim.
I hope I made myself clear this time..
P.S. The question that everyone asks us when we finally end our relationship with a socio…IS Why did you stay so long?
This is what I had to explore deep within myself ..and prompted my self analysis.
Its important to look within in order to avoid having another bad experience with another socio.
If we don’t learn from our mistakes…we repeat them until we “get it”.
This is what I am referring to in this thread. Ok…we were conned, used, abused. Not our fault. But now what? What did we learn? How do we change OURSELVES so that we don’t attract or get involved with another one?
Thats what I worked on for the past year.
I am a different person now…rewired….so …as the “law of attraction” says…..you attract things that you need.
I needed the socio one more time to teach me to love myself.
No pain..no gain.
P.S.S.
An example of a “mistake” I made. I got intimate sexually with him too soon…before I got to know him.
I “allowwed” him to convince me to sleep with him, even though I told him that I wanted to get to know him better.
He had me. Bonded.
So, this is how WE are part of the problem.
WE didn’t listen to our gut feelings…
Maybe I shouldn’t use the word “weakness”..but in MY personal case…I feel that I was “weak”.
Gotta stay STRONG and CONFIDENT and WISE.
Wise would be to get to know someone before having sex with them.
THE TRAUMA BOND: I can relate to everyone of these listed below…..I was in a trauma bond for 7 years until I met a man who showed me differently…. how love is meant to be shared with honesty, trust, and loyalty. NC is what saved my mental and emotional state and pulled me out of the trauma. NC. NC. NC. Take back your life!
Here are the signs that trauma bonds exist in your life:
When you obsess about people who have hurt you though they are long gone from your life (To obsess means to be preoccupied, fantasize about, and wonder about something/someone even though you do not want to.)
When you continue to seek contact with people whom you know will cause you further pain.
When you go “overboard” to help people who have been destructive to you.
When you continue to be a “team” member when obviously things are becoming destructive.
When you continue attempts to get people who are clearly using you to like you.
When you again and again trust people who have proved to be unreliable.
When you are unable to distance yourself from unhealthy relationships.
When you want to be understood by those who clearly do not care.
When you choose to stay in conflict with others when it would cost you nothing to walk away.
When you persist in trying to convince people that there is a problem and they are not willing to listen.
When you are loyal to people who have betrayed you.
When you are attached to untrustworthy people.
When you keep damaging secrets about exploitation or abuse.
When you continue contact with an abuser who acknowledges no responsibility.
SCHnoodle……Great list!
People who are “trauma bonded” (me)…need to find out where the original trauma came from…as painful as it is to face.
Then, and only then …will you realize what happenned to you to make you susceptible to repeat the pattern in your adulthood.
At this point, you will “forgive” yourself…because you will realize that you were a victim, as a child….and this set you up to repeat it in your life.
In order to Not be attracted to abuse anymore..YOU need to change.
Dancing Nancies,
I agree with what you quoted from The Betrayal Bond. VERY good information.
I also think that you and 2Bhappy are really in most ways saying the same thing, just in different words.
One way that I say it is “Chit on me once, shame on you. Chit on me twice, shame on me.” Yet, I let people I loved treat me poorly over and over, expecting that they would change if I could just find a way to get them to understand how much they hurt me, or find a way to please them. That was my vulnerability.
I think we are ALL (humans) vulnerable on some level to being tricked, conned, or hoodwinked into believing lies–big ones or small ones. We habituate to behaviors just like we do smells (as you pointed out and I think that is a great analogy) We get used to certain treatment and we allow it to go on even if it isn’t pleasant, we become the ETERNAL OPTIMIST, and hold on to a MALIGNANT HOPE that keeps us hanging on because we are loyal, empathetic, caring, and lots of other good things.
I had a donkey once that did NOT like to do her job which was to train show calves to lead by being tied to their halters. If you had calves up in the corral, she knew what you wanted (her to work) and you couldn’t get within a quarter of a mile from her, but otherwise, you couldn’t get her out of your pocket. She wanted a pet or a treat. I learned to manipulate her so that she would come to the corral before I put the calves in there and then I would get the calves in and she KNEW SHE WAS TRAPPED INTO WORKING. You could see the look of disgust “busted again!” on her face when she saw a trailer load of calves get out.
But because she always had this undying hope that she would get a treat and NOT be required to work, and she hung on to this delusion for years, (in her mind, I think, one day at random for no reason she could figure out, out of the blue I would trap her into slavery for a few weeks) but then the rest of the year I handed out these treats that she loved so much she would take a chance on being randomly “tricked into slavery, oh woe was her! Poor baby she had to pull these nasty calves around until the stoooopid lazy things learned who was boss.”
I agree with you danciingnancies that you can’t teach a psychopath how to treat you, because they do not want to learn, but by continuing to ALLOW them to treat you poorly, they are doing what they do so well. A normal person though, I think you can “teach” them how you want to be treated.
“I really don’t appreciate you speaking to me in that tone of voice.”
“I would appreciate it if you would not smoke inside my house.”
“I would appreciate it if you would call before showing up at my house.”
“I would appreciate it if you would wipe your feet before you come into my house.”
“When we have made an appointment to meet, I expect you to show up unless there is some serious emergency, but even then, I do expect you to call as soon as you know you must break the appointment, not 15 minutes before we were to leave.”
However, they generally get the idea (sooner or later) to “GO AWAY, our relationship is over.” Maybe that actually IS teaching them something. (and still not ALL psychopaths will learn it, some will actually stalk you.)
I agree with you ab out “Dr. Phil” though he is ENTERTAINMENT, not “therapy,” though not all of the things he says are wrong, he is generally dealing more with two dysfunctional, but not personality disordered people.
tobehappy: If you read some of the books we are quoting from here, you will get a better understanding of the victimizing power these P’s have. Women Who Love Psychopaths book I and II, Without Conscience by Dr. Robert Hare and Love Fraud by Donna Anderson are the ones I would start with. When I first started searching, the first book I read was Men Who Hate Women and The Women Who Love Them by Susan Forward. Then I found/bought Sam Vaknin’s book Malignant Self Love. Love Fraud and Women Who Love Psychopaths were not in existence at this time. I did learn from both books. Sam is a strange person, and not a clinician, but certainly a psychopath. [I would not recommend the two books I started with, since the others are available now.] Once you read and come to understand their far reaching ‘powers’ including the controlling psychopathic stare [that you don’t even have to know the person to fall victim to the stare] then you will see how difficult, if not impossible, given the right circumstances, to NOT fall under the ‘spell’. ANYONE can fall.
Didn’t mean to post twice-
To all:
I have never heard of “gaslight effect” – but the bottom line is they are con people. They deceive. They lie. They use people to their actions only. They have no souls, no remorse.
I feel these people should be held accountable for their actions. They KNOW what they were doing and have no conscience.
A good example for me – I was in what I thought was a monogamous relationship with my ex. I actually wanted to marry this guy after being divorced for over 2 decades. My daughter (only child) got married out of state and he did not have a nice suit (which was true). I purchased a Ralph Lauren suit, tie, shoes, shirt for him. I paid for the hotel and all meals (he was on company disability at this point and said he had no money). He said he wanted to take the “little money” he had and purchase a new digital camera to bring to the wedding for pictures – what a lovely idea!! OR SO I THOUGHT.
I found out during this time he was using the camera for an internet porno dating site (he had his own profile with naked pictures he took IN MY HOME). He paid $150 for a yearly subscription to this site and was meeting these “girls” for lunches, etc. I found emails stating that he was available anytime. One of the “girls” wanted money for the sex and said a portion was to be donated to an animal shelter. He had money for all that BS.
Once I found out the deceit I wanted him to reimburse me for everything – I figured about $1000 would be adequate. He refused – he said everything was a “gift” and my response was it was given since I thought we were in a monogamous relationship and you lied and deceived me.
I contacted a lawyer that said I had no legal grounds.
My ex wanted the suit, etc., which I refused and gave everything to the Salvation Army.
I never would have spent that money if I knew the truth.
I was conned and the legal system does not recognize it.
So now he is on Plenty of Fish (probably others) looking for someone else. He will most likely lose his job this year (can’t pass the company medical exam – he also lied to the US Govt about his CDL license).
He is an evil predator.
P.S. I am considered the nut case by his friends and family. His sister in law said no matter what he is (she told me he is a s/p) he is family and that is the name of that tune.
I can’t remember what thread someone posted the link to this article on but here is a link that I think should be RE_posted as there are other articles here, one in particular that I read about Robert Hare’s response to the movie about Sam Vakin the self-proclaimed Narcissist, who in fact is a psychopath. When you get to the top article, scrolll down to the one posted January 30, 2009 “Sam Vakin: diagnosed Psychopath and read about the movie, there is also a video link there so that you can see the movie. Even though the producer knew what Sam was, this man gaslighted the producer to the point that he was becoming “unnerved”—even when you KNOW WHAT THEY ARE it is toxic to be around them. This is exactly why NO CONTACT is so important to anyone who can get it. The poor people who must “co parent” with them are at a decided disadvantage from those of us who can do absolute NO contact with them.
It is also important as well, to do MENTAL NO CONTACT as well, not just physical no contact.
http://narcissism-support.blogspot.com/
I will be reading more on this site. What I have read so far makes me want to read more.