It’s amazing how people can have differing opinions of the same book. Last May, the Lovefraud Reader Ox Drover wrote a review of The Gaslight Effect, by Dr. Robin Stern. I am always on the lookout for books that will help readers understand, and recover from, a traumatic entanglement with a sociopath. Because Oxy was so complimentary about The Gaslight Effect, I was anxious to read it, and possibly recommend it to others.
Well, I read the book, but I’m not sure I can recommend it.
Oxy did point out that Dr. Stern never mentions the word, “sociopath,” referring to the perpetrator as the “gaslighter,” and the victim as the “gaslightee.” Although Oxy was willing to look past this omission, I’m not.
First of all, let’s define “gaslighting.” According to Wikipedia:
Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Gaslighting is nasty behavior. The problem I have with this book is that Dr. Stern never, ever mentions, not once, that a person who is gaslighting someone else may be malicious, controlling, and intent on destroying the soul of the victim. She does not mention that the gaslighter may be mentally and emotionally abusing someone else, simply for his or her amusement. She does not say that the gaslighter may be evil.
Here’s how Dr. Stern defines the gaslighting relationship:
The Gaslight Effect results from a relationship between two people: a gaslighter, who needs to be right in order to preserve his own sense of self and his sense of having power in the world; and a gaslightee, who allows the gaslighter to define her sense of reality because she idealizes him and seeks his approval.
This definition makes it seem like the two parties—gaslighter and gaslightee—are equally responsible for the dynamics. I don’t think that’s true. Then, a few pages later, Dr. Stern writes:
Of course, neither of you may be aware of what’s really happening. The gaslighter may genuinely believe every word he tells you or sincerely feel that he’s only saving you from yourself. Remember: He’s being driven by his own needs. Your gaslighter might seem like a strong, powerful man, or he may appear to be an insecure, tantrum-throwing little boy; either way, he feels weak and powerless. To feel powerful and safe, he has to prove that he is right, and he has to get you to agree with him.
Excuse me while I barf. Sociopaths who engage in gaslighting do not feel weak and powerless. They are motivated by dominance and feel totally entitled to do what they want and take what they want, even if it is someone else’s sanity.
Three types of gaslighters
Next, Dr. Stern describes three types of gaslighters—the Glamour Gaslighter, the Good-Guy Gaslighter, and the Intimidator. She spends the most time describing the Glamour Gaslighter:
He lets you know you’re the most wonderful woman in the world, the only one who’s ever understood him, the fairy-tale princess who has magically transformed his life. He’ll transform your life, too, he implies or even promises, he’ll shower you with affection, take you to wonderful places, sweep you off your feet with gifts or intimate confessions or sexual attention of a kind you’ve never known before.
This is a perfect description of a sociopath in full seduction mode. But Dr. Stern doesn’t seem to get it. Instead, she explains that this man is in love with the idea of a relationship. He likes to be a leading man, and is looking for a leading lady to fill her part.
Dr. Stern describes the Good-Guy Gaslighter as someone who needs to appear reasonable and good, but is deeply committed to getting his own way. She spends the least amount of time describing the Intimidator, perhaps because the problems are so obvious—put-downs, yelling, bullying, guilt trips and other types of punishment. In order for a relationship with an Intimidator to be more satisfying, she says, the Intimidator will need to alter his way of relating. Yeah, right.
Stress response
Much of this book describes sample cases of gaslightees trying to understand and cope with gaslighters. I’m sure this helps people realize and identify what is going on in these relationships.
The book, however, falls down when Dr. Stern explains why this behavior happens. She writes, “Gaslighting is a response to stress; people become either gaslighters or gaslightees when they feel threatened.”
Sociopaths don’t engage in gaslighting because they’re stressed. They engage in it because it’s who they are and what they do. And victims don’t become gaslightees because of stress. They are trapped because of a psychopathic bond created by the predator.
Then, Dr. Stern asks the reader to be honest:
Think about the ways in which you aren’t being your best self. Do you set off your gaslighter by being overly critical or demanding? Do you belittle your gaslighter or play on his vulnerabilities? Do you say or do things that you know will make him crazy?
Gee, the people I hear from are walking on eggshells trying not to set the guy off. Until, of course, it gets so bad that they have not choice but to explode.
What’s your view?
In the last chapter, Dr. Stern offers three courses of action for people in these situations: Changing the gaslighting relationship from within, limiting a gaslighting relationship, or leaving the relationship. Yes, these are the three choices, and the book offers suggestions on how to decide what to do.
When considering whether to stay in the relationship and change it from within, Dr. Stern reminds the reader to be compassionate, both for herself and the gaslighter. She writes:
You don’t have to put up with unlimited bad treatment, but if your gaslighter persists in gaslighting you, you can remind yourself that he is also suffering, perhaps even more than you are. After all, he almost certainly grew up in a home where he was gaslighted by someone and couldn’t make it stop—so now he doesn’t understand why you have the power to say no.
Is this true? I am asking an honest question of Lovefraud readers here, and I would appreciate your feedback. Have any of you ever been subjected to gaslighting by someone who was basically a good person with problems? Can any of you attribute gaslighting behavior to the perpetrator’s stress or internal pain? Or, do you feel that gaslighting behavior is due to sociopathic traits?
Afraid to recommend
Overall, I have mixed feelings about this book, The Gaslight Effect. The author does a good job of explaining what the behavior looks like, and the questions victims should ask themselves to determine what is really going on. She offers strategies for coping with the behavior, including leaving the relationship.
But Dr. Stern seems to come from that school of therapy that believes both parties contribute equally to relationship problems. Throughout the entire book, I kept waiting for the author to warn the reader that some gaslighters have dangerous, pathological personality disorders, and they should run, not walk, for the nearest exit. The warning never came.
Therefore, I’m afraid to recommend the book, because it may encourage people to stay and try to work things out with an abuser. And the longer people stay in a gaslighting relationship, the more power they lose, and the harder it is to finally leave.
Oxy,
One thing that has long been known about predators, especially the pedophiles, is that they will choose a prey that doesn’t have much of a support group. Runaways and prostitutes are typical prey, but so are schizoids, loners, and other very independant people. The more people involved in your life, the more chance that someone will peg him for what he is and warn you.
I think that we can understand a lot by using the prey/herd animal analogy. We are more protected by staying close to the herd and by blending in like a grey rock (or a zebra). It may sound like a boring lifestyle, but think about it: spaths are never boring, so that’s the first “pink” flag.
Also, another line of defence, is to have a wide social network of supportive, influential friends and family, so that if we happen to be meeting a spath, they will have less interest in us. If you don’t actually have that, then fake it, that’s what I’m going to do from now on.
The P i knew would say, “Girls have to have their own life, and friends.” He said sometimes if girls didn’t have their own friends, it was unattractive. He of course wanted this because it was EASIER to “disappear” if his target was preoccupied with other interests… he even smeared the friend i was living with at the time, well tried to smear her to me… like “Oh she seems like she’s taking advantage of you.. ” For me doing the dishes twice in a row ONE time… um look who’s talking! He LIKED when a girl had a social life, and he WANTED that. Again, no cookie cutter here.. they target anyone and everyone.
He once even accompanied me to a friend’s birthday party. I felt this VISCERAL need to leave because i felt like he was smothering me there. Like I needed to do everything for him… like he didn’t know how to socialize.. so I walked down to her garage and was looking for a way to leave cause the front door was jangled up. He came down and looked for me and said, “Where were you? I was looking for you..” I gulped and my stomach sank. I think i was having PTSD symptoms but i wasn’t aware- i had been targeted by an S before ( female N, as i’ve said ) so perhaps my body was cueing me into the fact that there’s SOMETHING BAD in my presence again. I didn’t know at the time.. i just wanted to leave.. I thought it was because I was uncomfortable… but the truth was that i was uncomfortable with HIM there.
Of course the IRONY is that the ONE or two times we had dinner with the person i was living with and her beau- he didn’t have anything to say! He had no interest in getting to know them- it was awkward. I had to turn the TV on cause I thought it would make him feel more comfortable.
The other time we went out to have drinks with them- he kind of ZEROED in on the guy. Completely ignored us girls… he was busy mirroring and flattering I suppose.
I will say that if you give a lot of attention to anyone else, or have a timely interaction, in their presence or anything- they will make a snide remark about it later ( when you’re both alone ). Like either you were “flirting” or sarcasm about your behavior ( Veiled as a “joke” )
OR they will find it completely BAFFLING that you would want to spend time with anyone else but them! That anyone else would be on your time.. say family… he asked me “Why did you go home?” ( I was puzzled he asked because this was after one of his rages.. the week after I ignored his phone calls for a day because I found incriminating info about his behavior “around town” with other women.. I should say a week after this was when i initiated PERMANENT NC with him)
Hello Everyone,
I have been away for awhile, quite busy during the Festive Season, took some time off work to be with my two teenagers, 18 and 14. Great kids, discarded and thrown in the garbage by their spath father. My ex love bombed me for 20 years and then when I started to ask questions, his mask slipped off. The kids saw him in his true light and they saw the light, remained with me and want nothing to do with their father. Its hard cause believing that 20 years was all fake is a hard thing for me, but more so for my kids, my daughters “daddy” and my sons “Dad” was fake. I am fortunate to be able to raise my kids, its hard financially but its all worth it. But what really gets under my skin is when people ask “where is their father” , and I simply reply “don’t know”. They always say, “what ashame…have the kids made an effort to contact him”? Why in the heck would kids try to rectify their relationship with their divorced parents, its entirely up to the parent to connect with their kids, the parents must make the effort, its not the kids fault ! Why in the heck would a kid try to contact the parent only to have the rejection all over again ? Of course we all know that spaths are not your normal couple splitting up, however in any case, why is it the kids who are put on the spot to rectify the no contact ?If a parent really loves their kids, they should make every effort to get them back in their lives. My spath, could not care less, if my kids tried to contact him, he would simply demean them and mess around with their brain. They both know this and have chosen to consider him “dead”. They do however want him to support their effort in University and proper education, they are angry at him, and are adamant in the fact that if he creates them, he must take care of them. By the way, beside my two kids, he has another 8, total of 10 kids, always shrugged off his obbligations…..but his words were always ” I love my kids with all my heart, and would do anything for them…but they are spoiled kids who do not appreciate my efforts”! Go figure.
But we need to voice our concern for the children of spaths, if they do not want to be with them, they should not have to be made to be with them.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I should reply if asked “Do the kids see their father”? I do not want to come across as a nutcase.
Nice to be back everyone.
skylar said, “We might think we have impenetrable defenses from studying, learning but like that flu virus, they just keep morphing and a new vaccine is required every year.”
Amen.
Welcome back survivor lady…..
““Do the kids see their father”?
Simply……NO!
“if my kids tried to contact him, he would simply demean them and mess around with their brain. ”
I’m working on just this, AS WE SPEAK!
Twice ….
Yes. I read everything I could on socios and narcissists.
Summer of 09, when my x slipped up and I realized that my initial gut feelings for a year before that were RIGHT….it triggered alot of old stuff and I had a “breakdown”. I was numb…couldn’t function normally…sad…shocked and disappointed…then angry at myself.
I ended the r/s…cold turkey…NC for 5 months and did my research on these “types”. I found this site and I realized that my xhusb, who was diagnosed as having “no conscience” …and my bf at this time, was exactly like him…..I really knew that something had to be done to unravel my confusion. This r/s was the eyeopener..
I spent all summer researching NPD and Sociopaths…Then I went back with him….I needed answers. It lasted 5 months…and then more lies came out. I left him for another 5 months…NC. I answered his text in July and became “friends” with him and then realized that I don’t want to be with someone who is disordered and can’t care about me because its “all about him”.
I ended it…with my dignity back because I decided to be totally true to myself and not afraid to question him and demand what I wanted…and it didn’t work.
Ok…I am NOT blaming myself or any victim for the encounter with a sociopath….or for staying with one….
Again…I am just saying that for ME ….I needed to do some self analysis after round 2…..because I couldn’t believe that I was too insecure to leave him….and that I let his “words” brainwash me to believe that he really cared about me. I needed to understand myself..why I would tolerate abuse over and over in my lifetime.
One of my best g/f’s told me that I was “weak” for not confronting him and putting up with him not treating me right…not carrying out his promises….and staying with him so long believing he would come through.
I thought about it and I agreed with her…I realized that had I been stronger….I would have left long ago.
When I did, there was such a void…without him texting and calling me all day….but, THIS time around, I actually didn’t even want to answer the phone and talk to him…I was sick of listening to his problems and drama at work…and I finally decided he was wasting my time….he didn’t really care about ME at all…I saw his true colors and didn’t consider him to even be a “friend”..didn’t want him in my life …in any shape or form.
My neighbor/pseudo mom…who went through the entire “break down” last year with me….said she really has seen so much growth in me since then.
She saw me run from a few men I met since our breakup….because I saw red flags….didn’t give them a second chance.
She saw me contact the x back but NOT let him seduce me…this time around.
So, all of the reading, self analysis…and “work” I did on myself…changed me in a few ways….I am more secure with myself. now.
I am smarter…wiser….and I’ve learned the skills to deal with abusive people. I avoid them.
I wasn’t to blame for being his “prey”….but I learned that if I was more secure with myself….had less fears of being alone… and if I was at a point in my life where I felt better about myself….I would never have jumped into the r/s so fast….gotten intimate so quickly…and …after the first lie….I would have moved on.
I did get over the PTSD symptoms after the first breakup with him…..and I know that I will never stay with anyone who lies, is selfish….and who isn’t emotionally healthy.
Because now I am healthy.
Ah, now not all P’s want to pick out/on the ‘underdogs’ or what society calls the vulnerable. Some, as in mine, in the beginning LOVED the challenge of ‘landing’, conning intelligent, highly independent, beautiful females way out of his social status. He used his extremely good looks, charm and feigned kindness to achieve this. When his looks began to wane, his sexual ability slowing waaaaaay down, his self confidence began to fade and this threw him into a full midlife crisis, causing him to ‘dumpster dive.’ [after I dumped him]. He’s now married to a woman who actually looks more like a man and is not physically attractive at all. Seems her goal is US citizenship for her whole family. Be interesting to see what transpires if/when she achieves this.
A comedy showing two types of con men is: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
tobehappy: I am glad it has worked out for you! Health: that’s the goal! ♥
Dear Vision, welcome back!!!!
Dear Survivor Lady,
I would say something along the line of “No, their father has no interest in seeing them, or his other 8 kids either.” That pretty well sums up the truth of the matter — short and sweet!
I think your children should not expect that he will support their educational efforts, but they can get a college education if they are willing to work hard at it and delay some of the things (like marriage and child rearing) at an earlier age, and put their education on the “front burner.”
I am actually glad that they already recognize that he is not someone that would add to their lives. It is a shame that they don’t have a father who loves them, but recognizing that as the truth will save them future hurt trying to please a father who isn’t really a “father” but just a DNA donor.
I hope you are doing well and that the new year goes well for you and your children! (((hugs)))