It’s amazing how people can have differing opinions of the same book. Last May, the Lovefraud Reader Ox Drover wrote a review of The Gaslight Effect, by Dr. Robin Stern. I am always on the lookout for books that will help readers understand, and recover from, a traumatic entanglement with a sociopath. Because Oxy was so complimentary about The Gaslight Effect, I was anxious to read it, and possibly recommend it to others.
Well, I read the book, but I’m not sure I can recommend it.
Oxy did point out that Dr. Stern never mentions the word, “sociopath,” referring to the perpetrator as the “gaslighter,” and the victim as the “gaslightee.” Although Oxy was willing to look past this omission, I’m not.
First of all, let’s define “gaslighting.” According to Wikipedia:
Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Gaslighting is nasty behavior. The problem I have with this book is that Dr. Stern never, ever mentions, not once, that a person who is gaslighting someone else may be malicious, controlling, and intent on destroying the soul of the victim. She does not mention that the gaslighter may be mentally and emotionally abusing someone else, simply for his or her amusement. She does not say that the gaslighter may be evil.
Here’s how Dr. Stern defines the gaslighting relationship:
The Gaslight Effect results from a relationship between two people: a gaslighter, who needs to be right in order to preserve his own sense of self and his sense of having power in the world; and a gaslightee, who allows the gaslighter to define her sense of reality because she idealizes him and seeks his approval.
This definition makes it seem like the two parties—gaslighter and gaslightee—are equally responsible for the dynamics. I don’t think that’s true. Then, a few pages later, Dr. Stern writes:
Of course, neither of you may be aware of what’s really happening. The gaslighter may genuinely believe every word he tells you or sincerely feel that he’s only saving you from yourself. Remember: He’s being driven by his own needs. Your gaslighter might seem like a strong, powerful man, or he may appear to be an insecure, tantrum-throwing little boy; either way, he feels weak and powerless. To feel powerful and safe, he has to prove that he is right, and he has to get you to agree with him.
Excuse me while I barf. Sociopaths who engage in gaslighting do not feel weak and powerless. They are motivated by dominance and feel totally entitled to do what they want and take what they want, even if it is someone else’s sanity.
Three types of gaslighters
Next, Dr. Stern describes three types of gaslighters—the Glamour Gaslighter, the Good-Guy Gaslighter, and the Intimidator. She spends the most time describing the Glamour Gaslighter:
He lets you know you’re the most wonderful woman in the world, the only one who’s ever understood him, the fairy-tale princess who has magically transformed his life. He’ll transform your life, too, he implies or even promises, he’ll shower you with affection, take you to wonderful places, sweep you off your feet with gifts or intimate confessions or sexual attention of a kind you’ve never known before.
This is a perfect description of a sociopath in full seduction mode. But Dr. Stern doesn’t seem to get it. Instead, she explains that this man is in love with the idea of a relationship. He likes to be a leading man, and is looking for a leading lady to fill her part.
Dr. Stern describes the Good-Guy Gaslighter as someone who needs to appear reasonable and good, but is deeply committed to getting his own way. She spends the least amount of time describing the Intimidator, perhaps because the problems are so obvious—put-downs, yelling, bullying, guilt trips and other types of punishment. In order for a relationship with an Intimidator to be more satisfying, she says, the Intimidator will need to alter his way of relating. Yeah, right.
Stress response
Much of this book describes sample cases of gaslightees trying to understand and cope with gaslighters. I’m sure this helps people realize and identify what is going on in these relationships.
The book, however, falls down when Dr. Stern explains why this behavior happens. She writes, “Gaslighting is a response to stress; people become either gaslighters or gaslightees when they feel threatened.”
Sociopaths don’t engage in gaslighting because they’re stressed. They engage in it because it’s who they are and what they do. And victims don’t become gaslightees because of stress. They are trapped because of a psychopathic bond created by the predator.
Then, Dr. Stern asks the reader to be honest:
Think about the ways in which you aren’t being your best self. Do you set off your gaslighter by being overly critical or demanding? Do you belittle your gaslighter or play on his vulnerabilities? Do you say or do things that you know will make him crazy?
Gee, the people I hear from are walking on eggshells trying not to set the guy off. Until, of course, it gets so bad that they have not choice but to explode.
What’s your view?
In the last chapter, Dr. Stern offers three courses of action for people in these situations: Changing the gaslighting relationship from within, limiting a gaslighting relationship, or leaving the relationship. Yes, these are the three choices, and the book offers suggestions on how to decide what to do.
When considering whether to stay in the relationship and change it from within, Dr. Stern reminds the reader to be compassionate, both for herself and the gaslighter. She writes:
You don’t have to put up with unlimited bad treatment, but if your gaslighter persists in gaslighting you, you can remind yourself that he is also suffering, perhaps even more than you are. After all, he almost certainly grew up in a home where he was gaslighted by someone and couldn’t make it stop—so now he doesn’t understand why you have the power to say no.
Is this true? I am asking an honest question of Lovefraud readers here, and I would appreciate your feedback. Have any of you ever been subjected to gaslighting by someone who was basically a good person with problems? Can any of you attribute gaslighting behavior to the perpetrator’s stress or internal pain? Or, do you feel that gaslighting behavior is due to sociopathic traits?
Afraid to recommend
Overall, I have mixed feelings about this book, The Gaslight Effect. The author does a good job of explaining what the behavior looks like, and the questions victims should ask themselves to determine what is really going on. She offers strategies for coping with the behavior, including leaving the relationship.
But Dr. Stern seems to come from that school of therapy that believes both parties contribute equally to relationship problems. Throughout the entire book, I kept waiting for the author to warn the reader that some gaslighters have dangerous, pathological personality disorders, and they should run, not walk, for the nearest exit. The warning never came.
Therefore, I’m afraid to recommend the book, because it may encourage people to stay and try to work things out with an abuser. And the longer people stay in a gaslighting relationship, the more power they lose, and the harder it is to finally leave.
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I’ve posted. Glad to see all the new people on here lately, and all the great support and encouragement being given. I wish I had more to contribute but I’m still figuring it all out!
Anyway, here’s a question… We have been no-contact for 4 months with our “adopted son” spath, who was only pretending to be part of the family, actually using us for all he could get, and totally abusing me in secret as his preferred target. We haven’t heard a word from him because we took out a restraining order. He managed to get a message to us through a go-between person that he needed an item of his returned, that was fine, we were glad to get rid of it. Of course, he did not include in that message, “Tell my mom and dad how terribly sorry I am for all I have done, etc., etc.” and I have come to accept that he never will. Otherwise, no contact at all.
So we have been removing all traces of him from our lives. We had a new family photo taken, we took all of his items over to the go-between’s house, we removed anything from the house that reminded us of him. I am redecorating and reorganizing the house. We even seriously considered moving away.
We do not say his name, and we talk about him in code words when necessary. It is awkward with the other kids, and our youngest still mentions him out of the blue sometimes. He is still in the photo album (pics from before he turned terrible) and that doesn’t bother me, although I think it bothers my husband.
For a long time after he left (was abruptly removed from our home by 6 cops), my husband graciously allowed me to talk through it for hours on end as I went through the grieving process and sorted through the horror of it all. BUT, within about 3 weeks he started encouraging me to Move On. I was insulted a little, thinking he did not understand the indescribable treachery and disgusting trauma I had endured. (What you all can relate to here.) So I have begun to discuss it much less with him, and really, did get a lot off my chest in just 3 weeks.
The spath’s control of me was consuming about 80% of my thoughts four months ago, it has dropped to less than half that now. My husband and I are working toward putting our relationship back together, a huge task that is going slowly.
Anyway… the question (yes I am trying to get to it! haha)… what should a new normal life look like for us? Is it healthy and right to never mention him again? This is one reason that I endured the spath for so long, so that we would not have a black sheep in the family. He kept me hooked into not giving up on him, promising that he was changing, getting better, that a respectable life was just around the corner for him… so I kept hoping and holding on. I finally had to give up on all that, so now I am left with the ugliness I was trying to keep from happening (yes, I know).
Should we just sweep this whole ugly monstrosity under the rug and pretend it didn’t happen? I need to talk about it sometimes, but I think that posting and reading on this board would suffice for that. I know my husband is tired of hearing about it. He will talk about US (our marriage), but does not want to “spend another ounce of energy” on the spath.
But isn’t this really just DENIAL – the thing that got me in trouble in the first place? What is the difference between moving on in a healthy way, and just rushing to get over it any way you can?
I am a little worried because sometimes I actually wonder if it really even happened. Wow! I know for a fact that it happened, and have ephemera and a journal to prove it to myself. But should I just let it go into my memory (which isn’t very good!!), and live like normal? Going no-contact happened so abruptly, what happened is all so surreal now, and so very different from our lives otherwise. It’s from a different world. I had never SEEN an illegal drug until the spath came under our roof. I had never HEARD some of the words and curses he used. I have learned more about the Dark Side in the past 3 years than I ever dreamed existed. Is it healthier to forget all the bad stuff? What good can come from dwelling on it?
Thanks for reading! Love you guys, all of you. Wish you all the best.
I just want to share how much I HATE the spath. I hate that he is turning son to the dark side and sits there smelling like a freaking rose! Hate it, hate it. I am constantly on the verge of tears because of all that I am losing.
He has no right to do it, and to see his little smirk when he thinks he has won, peeves me off! I can only hope when I get a cusotody eval. that he will be outed. Not freaking likely, the way my luck has been. I finally woke up and now I have such a mess. Gaslighting, aaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggggg! He epitomizes it!
Dear Hope4,
((((Hugs))))) Get mad, it’s good for you! Makes you take some action! Shout it out! Scream and cuss!!! (but don’t let the arshole hear you, don’t give him the satisfaction)
Keep in mind too, that just as he is conning and love-bombing Junior, he won’t do that forever, he will start to pith off and devalue Junior too, so give him time, he will shoot himself in the foot. (((hugs))))
Dear Oxy,
Just wanted to share that my daughter says hi, she thinks LF is awesome (for me). It’s too much information for her but she knows about it and asked me to say hi to you.
She is wwwwaaayyyy too wordly for 16 going on 17!
And yes, I’m really mad and won’t give spath the satisfaction of knowing that. He will smirk, as per usual.
Just Dreamin,
those are great questions. I don’t actually know what normal is, since I’ve never had a normal family, but I didn’t know it. Turns out I was like cousin Marilyn on the Munsters: the normal one who thought I was the only freak.
Your family sounds like it was very close to normal before the spath appeared. If anything, you were too kind-hearted and also naive. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it was one of the things we on LF have in common, and it made us vulnerable, so it’s something we have to work on.
I think it’s rather unfair that your husband is giving you 3 weeks for a “mourning period” and expects you to be done. My BF has put up with a year of my constantly pointing out the sociopaths in the wild. He’s been very patient, but has now made it clear that it is taking a toll on him. So regardless of whether it’s 3 weeks or a year, everyone has the right to set boundaries and those are your husband’s boundaries.
Back to your question: I hope that after going through the hell that you did, you do not expect to go back to your “normal” life. I hope that you and your husband are able to use this experience to come up smelling like roses. Make your life BETTER THAN NORMAL. At this point, he doesn’t see that potential, he just wants life the way it used to be. You can help him. I doubt that he will want to read the LF articles at this point, but perhaps you can buy him some books that will peak his interest. “Snakes in Suits” or “The Sociopath Next Door” could do that. You don’t have to talk to him about it at all. Just buy the books, reaad them and tell him that you think it will help him feel more grounded if he understood the character disorder that caused your family’s turmoil.
I believe (and perhaps it is my own narcissism) that I was given this lesson for a reason. The tuition was high, so I’m going to use the lessons I’ve learned to benefit from it. I don’t want to go back to how I was. I want to be better and I’d like others to benefit from my hell.
hopeforjoy – one day you will wake up so angry that you think there is nothing but rage in the world….and one day, you are going to wake up and find that most of the anger has leached out of you…and you find you have some joy and peace.
it will take a lot of time. stay the course, be pissed…for that is how you feel.
you will find a good life…HE WILL ALWAYS BE UGLY AND SPATHY!
soimnotthecrazee1
Controlling people are mean. It is quicker to control you in a mean and nasty way. Cause being nice takes time and costs money.
It is so much faster to call you crazy while they take your money and tell you that you dreamed it. Or that your on drugs, or drunk. If you are a mother, they will call you unfit.
It works. Everyone believes them.
If a woman were to call a man unfit, or a drunk or a druggy, or crazy….everyone would look at her hard and call her a man hater.
Just Dreamin,
I am behind on the posts. I think I am understanding you were giving three weeks to grieve?
I was given less than four hours to grieve.
I got word at 8:30am that morning that my mother passed away. By 12:00 noon my husband angerly asked me if that is STILL BOTHERING ME?
He was such a angry man that he put his fist threw the bathroom wall. He was a pallbearer at my mother’s funeral. He had a cast on his hand/arm cause he broke his hand when he smacked the wall.
Recently pictures were pasted on Facebook. A family picture that was taken outside the church after my mothers funeral. My husband was glaring at our three-year old daughter and he was pointing her to the “spot”. (calling her on the carpet)
I noticed my daughters were upset at seeing this pic and seeing the treatment. I’m going by their posts. Yet, they covered it up since.
My mother died 24 years ago. The surrounding memories are still strong. And recently for my daughters. That family picture is new to them.
I gotta point out that my “then” husband had so much anger towards my mother and grandmother that he broke everything I got from them. He always made it look like an accident. Yeah, some accident the box marked “grandmother’s dishes” ended up bashed against the wash tub in basement. When I picked up the box, I could hear the tinkle of broken glass.
Know why my husband hated my mother and grandmother so bad? Cause back in the day when we were dating my mother and grandmother pressured him too much to shop for their groceries and they giggled like they are going to set this man straight. ]
I put a stop to it. I nicely told mom and grandma that they can’t treat him like this. It stopped! But that wasn’t good enough for Mr. Grudge.
He allowed his family to abuse me during our entire marriage. His excuse was my mother and grandma.
He hated my mother and grandma and he still held a grudge long after their deaths.
I left my husband not too many years after my mothers death.
I knew my marriage would become the burning bed. Either I would kill him or he would kill me. Gotta stop it before that point.
Hope, don’t give up.
I wanted to share my list with all of you, of POS and his behaviors. I don’t know why..maybe in that it will put out into public display, maybe I can SEE IT, maybe it will help someone else……but here goes **sigh**
Manipulative
Silent treatments for days/weeks at a time
violence- holding me in place, grabbing my cheeks SUPER hard
Rage – Temper tantrums that resemble a five year old, clenched fists, held close to body while jumping up and down
Anger- always under the surface, even while appearing calm
lying
deceitful
secretive
vague
pretentious
fake
blaming
projecting
infidel
OCD
weird about “time”
sexually inhibited (didn’t know where my clitoris was? Always rubbed just above it?)
Sexually exploitative and violent. This occurred to me today…sometimes during sex, when HE felt like being “affectionate” (putting his hands on me at all) he would rub his hand from my abdomen up to my THROAT and then SQEEZE HARD. One time, I had to REMOVE his hand from my throat, I couldn’t breathe and it scared the hell out of me!
wore pajamas to bed every night, while accusing his wife of having done so and that he was pissed about it, not being naked. ONlyl slept naked with me ONCE. Kicked me the whole night
emotionally abusive.
gaslighting- one time brought a new wine glass over, set it on the counter. Knew I would notice it, when I asked where it came from and thanked him for it, he told me he had no idea where it came from..wasn’t him (BULLSHIT).
No emotional effect. Would speak to others on the phone without facial expression but faked “emotional” effect.
Piously religious
judgmental
critical.
walked on eggshells
Unpredictable
fostering an air of unpredictability, off balance
Using others as decoys
hated my children, while claiming to love his own
no friends
ex wife is ALWAYS the bitch!
Wrote off parental rights of first child from first marriage. Claimed ot have been hurt. That was during love bombing. Never a mention again after that
VICTIM, VICTIM, VICTIM!
Hates his boss
hates his friends unless they agree, then idealizes them
Is mean to his dog, but says I’m the one abusive to her
Compulsive/impulsive, shopper/spender. Thousands and thousands of dollars in debt but still spends regardless.
House looks better on outside than inside
Training son to be irresponsible spath
lies to his children
provokes women he is with into pathological rages through calm demeanor and accusations that it’s HER fault
Lies to his boss
lies to his employees
is good at his job, sabotages the rest
alcoholic, BIG TIME! Cases of wine, bottles of wine and vodka all over the house and shop outside, even in the back of his car. Purchases these items compulsively.
Dismissive
Unceremoniously discards
needy
dependent
demanding.
yells
screams
is sick all the time (Migraines, stomach issues)
extremely “clean” even with sex (more than once told me “sex is messy)
mother is extremely eccentric to an obviously unhealthy degree (Yes I believe she is DEF spath!)
Father is extremely controlling.
Loves porn (PO in his words)
is on numerous datingsites
Is totally love bombingly attentive in early stages of relationship,will giveup dating sites etc, for full attention duringlove bomb, then resume dating activities once victim is caught
Extremely sexually seductive.
Is NOT attractive
BORING! Did I say that? Let me say it again B-O-R-I-N-G
intellectually stupid (refused to engage in intellectually stimulating conversations after love bomb)
Exaggerates
Pontificates
emotionally empty
MEAN
Nice to his children, MEAN to mine
hitting up 21 year old guys to party with
Would say things about his daughter when she was going through adolescence that scared the shit out of me “she has GREAT legs”…it was the way he said it. Now acting that way towards four year old neice who ADORES him….um, connection? Sociopath/adoration?
No moral Compass AT ALL
Jekyl/Hyde personality.
emotional punishments
scraping of metal or plates has him running outof his house (literally) in other words, exaggerated reactions.
Contradictory
Provoking
emotional absence
Lack of emotional effect. Either extremely pissed about something, or extremely docile, to which both required a totally different response
lazy
wants all done for him
High expectations beyond what anyone can give him
charming
charismatic
beautiful smile ( to suck you in my dear!)
no emotion in eyes
Mechanical sex. Anything else forced
objectifying
twisting of words and situations
Mindfucking- “I never said that!”. “If this relationship ends it’s YOUR DOING Because you could not love me! So many missed opportunities”….um, yea right
Hateful
Jealous
Possessive
entitled
arrogant
grandiose (BIG TIME)
lacking empathy
steals (stole 150 out of my wallet off my kitchen counter this past summer) He has also stolen my narcotic medication in which I take PRN for chronic illness
evil
wicked
full of dreams/plans never realized and never will be. Blames me.
Divorce from his wife (blames me)
exhausting in his demands
Little God syndrome
plays music but has no idea how to implement anything creative, always follows note books, while he believes he’s god’s gift
Hurts his children without thought.
Uses the children against their mother
Drama KING BIG TIME
careless
insensitive
heartless
cold
fearful
anxiety provoking
vomit provoking.
No emotional connection or correlate.
That’s just the beginning……….do any of these remind you of your S/P/N?
writing this out,is VERY healing for me!
Thank you for allowing me to vent in such a way!
LL
Just caught up with all the posts. Skylar said that to surround yourself with people would help protect from being hooked. I wasn’t isolated. Lots of friends in church and community. When I got bad feelings, I would ask them – had very long conversations with people who supposedly knew him very well. Now I know that people he was close to excused him. Those that didn’t, weren’t his friends. Even now, my biggest hindrance is the community. I almost have to drop all my friends and start again but even then, most people are blind to this insidious disorder. They either have never lived with one and couldn’t imagine it, or they are in such a relationship and excuse it.
Just today, my close friend had him over for dinner (she has a big heart and wants him to know that he is not without support, just like my previous counselor and his current psychologist). This is a person who knows of his arrest over assaulting our son, his mean and intimidating ways, etc. But she sees his remorse and feels pitiful for him. She keeps asking me how he is and whether his relationship with the kids had improved. She said that only I could determine if he had changed, implying that she or others may think he is safe. She said now he no longer put me down (because she called him on that) and just feels victimized because I “took away all this wealth and kids”. She admitted that he had gone round everywhere spilling his story, but couldn’t see that playing the victim was a symptom of a lack of change. What bothered me was that she lives next door, so he was around next door and I didn’t even have prior warning.
Because this was such a supportive and good friends (one of only two who knew the escalation and supported my separation), I am loathe to distant myself from her. And she has a very kind heart. I have already educated her a lot on domestic violence, and given her books to read. I don’t know why she still doesn’t get what danger he is to us, even if he presents as a sad husband wanting his beloved wife back.