It’s amazing how people can have differing opinions of the same book. Last May, the Lovefraud Reader Ox Drover wrote a review of The Gaslight Effect, by Dr. Robin Stern. I am always on the lookout for books that will help readers understand, and recover from, a traumatic entanglement with a sociopath. Because Oxy was so complimentary about The Gaslight Effect, I was anxious to read it, and possibly recommend it to others.
Well, I read the book, but I’m not sure I can recommend it.
Oxy did point out that Dr. Stern never mentions the word, “sociopath,” referring to the perpetrator as the “gaslighter,” and the victim as the “gaslightee.” Although Oxy was willing to look past this omission, I’m not.
First of all, let’s define “gaslighting.” According to Wikipedia:
Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Gaslighting is nasty behavior. The problem I have with this book is that Dr. Stern never, ever mentions, not once, that a person who is gaslighting someone else may be malicious, controlling, and intent on destroying the soul of the victim. She does not mention that the gaslighter may be mentally and emotionally abusing someone else, simply for his or her amusement. She does not say that the gaslighter may be evil.
Here’s how Dr. Stern defines the gaslighting relationship:
The Gaslight Effect results from a relationship between two people: a gaslighter, who needs to be right in order to preserve his own sense of self and his sense of having power in the world; and a gaslightee, who allows the gaslighter to define her sense of reality because she idealizes him and seeks his approval.
This definition makes it seem like the two parties—gaslighter and gaslightee—are equally responsible for the dynamics. I don’t think that’s true. Then, a few pages later, Dr. Stern writes:
Of course, neither of you may be aware of what’s really happening. The gaslighter may genuinely believe every word he tells you or sincerely feel that he’s only saving you from yourself. Remember: He’s being driven by his own needs. Your gaslighter might seem like a strong, powerful man, or he may appear to be an insecure, tantrum-throwing little boy; either way, he feels weak and powerless. To feel powerful and safe, he has to prove that he is right, and he has to get you to agree with him.
Excuse me while I barf. Sociopaths who engage in gaslighting do not feel weak and powerless. They are motivated by dominance and feel totally entitled to do what they want and take what they want, even if it is someone else’s sanity.
Three types of gaslighters
Next, Dr. Stern describes three types of gaslighters—the Glamour Gaslighter, the Good-Guy Gaslighter, and the Intimidator. She spends the most time describing the Glamour Gaslighter:
He lets you know you’re the most wonderful woman in the world, the only one who’s ever understood him, the fairy-tale princess who has magically transformed his life. He’ll transform your life, too, he implies or even promises, he’ll shower you with affection, take you to wonderful places, sweep you off your feet with gifts or intimate confessions or sexual attention of a kind you’ve never known before.
This is a perfect description of a sociopath in full seduction mode. But Dr. Stern doesn’t seem to get it. Instead, she explains that this man is in love with the idea of a relationship. He likes to be a leading man, and is looking for a leading lady to fill her part.
Dr. Stern describes the Good-Guy Gaslighter as someone who needs to appear reasonable and good, but is deeply committed to getting his own way. She spends the least amount of time describing the Intimidator, perhaps because the problems are so obvious—put-downs, yelling, bullying, guilt trips and other types of punishment. In order for a relationship with an Intimidator to be more satisfying, she says, the Intimidator will need to alter his way of relating. Yeah, right.
Stress response
Much of this book describes sample cases of gaslightees trying to understand and cope with gaslighters. I’m sure this helps people realize and identify what is going on in these relationships.
The book, however, falls down when Dr. Stern explains why this behavior happens. She writes, “Gaslighting is a response to stress; people become either gaslighters or gaslightees when they feel threatened.”
Sociopaths don’t engage in gaslighting because they’re stressed. They engage in it because it’s who they are and what they do. And victims don’t become gaslightees because of stress. They are trapped because of a psychopathic bond created by the predator.
Then, Dr. Stern asks the reader to be honest:
Think about the ways in which you aren’t being your best self. Do you set off your gaslighter by being overly critical or demanding? Do you belittle your gaslighter or play on his vulnerabilities? Do you say or do things that you know will make him crazy?
Gee, the people I hear from are walking on eggshells trying not to set the guy off. Until, of course, it gets so bad that they have not choice but to explode.
What’s your view?
In the last chapter, Dr. Stern offers three courses of action for people in these situations: Changing the gaslighting relationship from within, limiting a gaslighting relationship, or leaving the relationship. Yes, these are the three choices, and the book offers suggestions on how to decide what to do.
When considering whether to stay in the relationship and change it from within, Dr. Stern reminds the reader to be compassionate, both for herself and the gaslighter. She writes:
You don’t have to put up with unlimited bad treatment, but if your gaslighter persists in gaslighting you, you can remind yourself that he is also suffering, perhaps even more than you are. After all, he almost certainly grew up in a home where he was gaslighted by someone and couldn’t make it stop—so now he doesn’t understand why you have the power to say no.
Is this true? I am asking an honest question of Lovefraud readers here, and I would appreciate your feedback. Have any of you ever been subjected to gaslighting by someone who was basically a good person with problems? Can any of you attribute gaslighting behavior to the perpetrator’s stress or internal pain? Or, do you feel that gaslighting behavior is due to sociopathic traits?
Afraid to recommend
Overall, I have mixed feelings about this book, The Gaslight Effect. The author does a good job of explaining what the behavior looks like, and the questions victims should ask themselves to determine what is really going on. She offers strategies for coping with the behavior, including leaving the relationship.
But Dr. Stern seems to come from that school of therapy that believes both parties contribute equally to relationship problems. Throughout the entire book, I kept waiting for the author to warn the reader that some gaslighters have dangerous, pathological personality disorders, and they should run, not walk, for the nearest exit. The warning never came.
Therefore, I’m afraid to recommend the book, because it may encourage people to stay and try to work things out with an abuser. And the longer people stay in a gaslighting relationship, the more power they lose, and the harder it is to finally leave.
The word dependancy in co-dependancy means the same thing that it does in this sentence: “He has a drug dependancy”. It speaks of an addictive relationship with the addict. It simply means we are in some way hooked on someone who is really not good for us.
As far as the co part goes, it is sort of co-conspiritoresq, because we are a part of the diad and we do act and react to the other. We are made sick by the other. At least I was.
I hope that helps.
Oxy, ain’t that the ultimate of grandiose statements? “Jesus is JUST like ME.” Wow.
Oh and don’t forget he’s “Qualified” to make such statements, cause he has a “PhD” ya know ( let’s just ignore the fact that he made absolutely no effort in attaining it and had to learn absolutely nothing for it. Hello Diploma Mill!)
Yes, I enjoy LF because many different readers present different POVs, and I like the diversity inherent in that. I also like that because LF is primarily sustained by its readers- serious discussions on the healing process ( with personal anecdotes ) and also the pathology of the Psychopath can take place ( not to mention what happens to the victim through all the brainwashing… for instance when quest brought up the “O for Umbrella topic. That was some fresh base that we covered, I think… )
I am forever grateful for my faith as well. Ultimately it has been the most significant force in bringing me through all of this, and it still remains that way.
Dancy,
Yea, SV is a piece of work for sure. I actually think we are kind of all talking about the same concepts and more or less just playing a game of semantics here, but the discussion about it all actually MAKES US THINK, and I think that is a GOOD THING to think through a concept about healing, about ourselves, and about how we apply our learning to our treatment of others and our treatment of ourselves.
It is just like discussing the Bible (and I know, lots of folks get HOT about doing that) but I think if it is done with an open mind, and with care and concern it can be a growth experience for everyone involved, but if it is done with “my way is RIGHT!” then it leads to hard feelings. I think that openess to new ways of looking at things without being self righteous is the way to approach any subject, politics, religion or healing. Opinions are like noses, we’ve all got one! LOL
This discussion is really interesting. It’s also great that you can debate it without being offensive or taking offense. That way, everyone can have their sincere opinion and others can evaluate and take what is useful.
Dancing, I think I can understand what you are trying to say. I wish I could articulate it like you, because I always come off sounding defensive and in denial. People like to insist that victims are co-dependent and need to look at why they are so “crazy” to accept the abuse.
I’ve only been out 6 months, but the more I look at it, the more I attribute our long relationship to trauma bonding. Ex was an incredibly strong and lavish with affection and gifts in between his horribly immature moments. He was not the financially irresponsible, substance-addicted, “immoral”, flaky type of person. In fact, I always thought he was a very “moral” person. The only thing that bothered me about that was that it was very legalistic/judgmental.
So initially I thought I was co-dependent, but definitely I was enabling just by staying in the relationship. However, being a Christian, I didn’t think leaving was an option. Most of my friends still think that way, even after knowing the history of violence, his criminal record, the assault, child abuse. etc. His Christian psychologist told me many times it was not right to separate. So if there was not that false belief and his clever manipulative ways, I don’t know that I would have stayed. I really wasn’t looking for a rescuer or to rescue someone.
Oxy, are you saying that you tried many different forums? I have been trying too, and with some, I didn’t even get a response when I tried to join. With others, I find myself triggered by the familiar dynamic of abuse. Maybe I am just hypervigilant, but sometimes people can be dismissive, superior-sounding, invalidating, etc. Or you ask desperate questions (eg about children’s suicide attempts) and get ignored like you are making a big deal about nothing. I also posted during the time of my deceased child’s anniversary and got not much response. It was almost as devastating as the event itself. Yet others get lots of responses. Is it something about the way I write that is offputting?
Anyway, on LF, I learn a lot from reading other people’s stories and perspective, whether I get any response or not. Yours, Oxy, was the first to hit me, because I had been desperately asking about narcissistic children and not really getting any answers anywhere (in real life, I have several sources of professional help). Then I read about your situation. So I know now that I don’t have to feel guilty if my eldest chooses to go down that path, although like any parent, I am praying she doesn’t.
Nancy and Kim,
I’m really glad that you are having this discussion because I think this is where I am stuck: in my childhood.
I have studied and learned about the N’s and P’s actually the whole cluster B’s and various other parts of the alphabet.
But knowing what a grown up does and feels is not the same as being a grown up. I still feel stuck with my programming. I think my programmers did an exceptional job on me, because I’ve pulled back the curtain and I’ve seen that the machine is run by a short, fat, bald man but he still looks like a god to me. It’s not enough to KNOW the truth about my parents, I have to feel it and I don’t. All I feel is the need for my mommy to approve and love me. It sucks.
Dear Not-too-late,
I had a similar experience with trying to “join” other blogs, and one of the things that made me feel INSIGNIFICANT was when I would post something and others would ignore me, or “post around” me, and so early on when I came here and was responded to, I almost immediately became the ONE BLOGGER WELCOME WAGON, and when I would see a new poster, I would WELCOME THEM immediately. Before long it got to be a TRADITION here at lovefraud, and I am glad that I started that tradition of “WELCOME”
Through the years I have been here (over 3) MANY people have come and gone, and “special words” like “TOWANDA” have crept into our vocabulary and those older bloggers here try to inform the newer people what the “code” is. There are a few of us who gather and get silly sometimes on Friday or Saturday nights and make jokes or poke fun at each other, most of us have learned now to ignore or “give the potted plant” or “gray rock” treatment to passing trolls who come here to cause trouble (They are rare, thank goodness!) Over all there are not many people here who are “tacky” or “abusive” to others and we dont’ all agree on things, but we give each other slack to have our own opinions on those things–that’s the beauty of love fraud. Sometimes people get their feelings hurt if they are not immediately responded to, but most of the time that is not a problem once it is explained that this isn’t a “chat board” and that sometimes there’s no one here to respond, or the people who were here for some reason didn’t realize an immediate response was needed or wanted.
So of ALL the boards I have been on, LF is the most welcoming, the most caring, the most diverse and the most informational as well. That’s why I’m still here.
Skylar, thanks for that very frank disclosure. My background is not exactly the same as yours, but your comment reminds me of something my very educated brother recently said to me. I mean, this is a person who specializes in critical thinking, but he says that regardless of being to rationalize why he feels the way he does, he doesn’t seem to be able to overcome the feeling. He is very “successful” as an adult, but due to the invalidation received as a child, still feels stuck at the child stage in spite of knowing why he is like that. He also sees God as a policeman with a stick waiting to punish him, although he himself teaches Bible classes and knows that God is not that.
The weird thing is that he got that from his relationship with our father, and yet I wasn’t impacted that way – in fact, I think my father is the best father anyone could have had, and that he is a huge teddybear with a soft heart and sadly was crushed/oppressed by a narcissistic/sociopathic woman. However, he did have huge expectations of us and not having a father figure himself, probably didn’t balance his boundaries/discipline with warmth/empathy.
Do you think that as you keep growing, time will be what makes the difference? That is, eventually, as you parent that child, that child in you grows up but it takes time.
Ox,
EXACTLY and I couldn’t agree with you more. This is WAY different than anything I’ve experienced elsewhere!!! The VALUE on just being able to EXPRESS and LEARN from venting is helping me get out of the fog. Will I be here forever? I don’t know, but for right now, it’s a lifeline. I learn from it all.
BTW What’s TOWANDA mean? lol 🙂
lesson learned, watch this video and you’ll understand :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b9Z3MYo2M0
from the Film, Fried Green Tomatoes (1991)
Sky,
I understand how you feel. I’ve been NC with my bio fam a long time. It was hands down, the healthiest thing (other than getting rid of POS) that I’ve done for myself. As long as I stayed engaged in any way, I always ALWAYS felt bad about myself, life, and totally defeated. I worried about how the behaviors of my spath fam would affect my children, as well as it was affecting me. I’m GLAD I don’t have contact anymore. I think that I also was not allowed to grow while still engaged. I still kept relieving and replaying my role over and over. Getting the space away has provided my movement into growth, however hard that has been and getting rid of Spath. I miss not seeing my neices and nephews growing up. That’s very sad for me sometimes and holidays are very hard, but I’m blessed in that I have lots of people who love me, and that I love, including, but not limited too my children. I SEE what healthy is and Spath was the LAST of the toxins to go in my life. I’m not use to it yet, it’s all still raw, but the fog IS lifting now. It may not have at all if I were still engaged.
I know you probably know this already because you’re a smart person, but I think you hit the nail on the head with regards to your perspective about your Mom and your fam. It’s probably a really good idea to work through that stuff so you don’t fall into another spathy relationship. I think what you’ve discovered is a HUGE step in growth really 🙂