It’s amazing how people can have differing opinions of the same book. Last May, the Lovefraud Reader Ox Drover wrote a review of The Gaslight Effect, by Dr. Robin Stern. I am always on the lookout for books that will help readers understand, and recover from, a traumatic entanglement with a sociopath. Because Oxy was so complimentary about The Gaslight Effect, I was anxious to read it, and possibly recommend it to others.
Well, I read the book, but I’m not sure I can recommend it.
Oxy did point out that Dr. Stern never mentions the word, “sociopath,” referring to the perpetrator as the “gaslighter,” and the victim as the “gaslightee.” Although Oxy was willing to look past this omission, I’m not.
First of all, let’s define “gaslighting.” According to Wikipedia:
Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Gaslighting is nasty behavior. The problem I have with this book is that Dr. Stern never, ever mentions, not once, that a person who is gaslighting someone else may be malicious, controlling, and intent on destroying the soul of the victim. She does not mention that the gaslighter may be mentally and emotionally abusing someone else, simply for his or her amusement. She does not say that the gaslighter may be evil.
Here’s how Dr. Stern defines the gaslighting relationship:
The Gaslight Effect results from a relationship between two people: a gaslighter, who needs to be right in order to preserve his own sense of self and his sense of having power in the world; and a gaslightee, who allows the gaslighter to define her sense of reality because she idealizes him and seeks his approval.
This definition makes it seem like the two parties—gaslighter and gaslightee—are equally responsible for the dynamics. I don’t think that’s true. Then, a few pages later, Dr. Stern writes:
Of course, neither of you may be aware of what’s really happening. The gaslighter may genuinely believe every word he tells you or sincerely feel that he’s only saving you from yourself. Remember: He’s being driven by his own needs. Your gaslighter might seem like a strong, powerful man, or he may appear to be an insecure, tantrum-throwing little boy; either way, he feels weak and powerless. To feel powerful and safe, he has to prove that he is right, and he has to get you to agree with him.
Excuse me while I barf. Sociopaths who engage in gaslighting do not feel weak and powerless. They are motivated by dominance and feel totally entitled to do what they want and take what they want, even if it is someone else’s sanity.
Three types of gaslighters
Next, Dr. Stern describes three types of gaslighters—the Glamour Gaslighter, the Good-Guy Gaslighter, and the Intimidator. She spends the most time describing the Glamour Gaslighter:
He lets you know you’re the most wonderful woman in the world, the only one who’s ever understood him, the fairy-tale princess who has magically transformed his life. He’ll transform your life, too, he implies or even promises, he’ll shower you with affection, take you to wonderful places, sweep you off your feet with gifts or intimate confessions or sexual attention of a kind you’ve never known before.
This is a perfect description of a sociopath in full seduction mode. But Dr. Stern doesn’t seem to get it. Instead, she explains that this man is in love with the idea of a relationship. He likes to be a leading man, and is looking for a leading lady to fill her part.
Dr. Stern describes the Good-Guy Gaslighter as someone who needs to appear reasonable and good, but is deeply committed to getting his own way. She spends the least amount of time describing the Intimidator, perhaps because the problems are so obvious—put-downs, yelling, bullying, guilt trips and other types of punishment. In order for a relationship with an Intimidator to be more satisfying, she says, the Intimidator will need to alter his way of relating. Yeah, right.
Stress response
Much of this book describes sample cases of gaslightees trying to understand and cope with gaslighters. I’m sure this helps people realize and identify what is going on in these relationships.
The book, however, falls down when Dr. Stern explains why this behavior happens. She writes, “Gaslighting is a response to stress; people become either gaslighters or gaslightees when they feel threatened.”
Sociopaths don’t engage in gaslighting because they’re stressed. They engage in it because it’s who they are and what they do. And victims don’t become gaslightees because of stress. They are trapped because of a psychopathic bond created by the predator.
Then, Dr. Stern asks the reader to be honest:
Think about the ways in which you aren’t being your best self. Do you set off your gaslighter by being overly critical or demanding? Do you belittle your gaslighter or play on his vulnerabilities? Do you say or do things that you know will make him crazy?
Gee, the people I hear from are walking on eggshells trying not to set the guy off. Until, of course, it gets so bad that they have not choice but to explode.
What’s your view?
In the last chapter, Dr. Stern offers three courses of action for people in these situations: Changing the gaslighting relationship from within, limiting a gaslighting relationship, or leaving the relationship. Yes, these are the three choices, and the book offers suggestions on how to decide what to do.
When considering whether to stay in the relationship and change it from within, Dr. Stern reminds the reader to be compassionate, both for herself and the gaslighter. She writes:
You don’t have to put up with unlimited bad treatment, but if your gaslighter persists in gaslighting you, you can remind yourself that he is also suffering, perhaps even more than you are. After all, he almost certainly grew up in a home where he was gaslighted by someone and couldn’t make it stop—so now he doesn’t understand why you have the power to say no.
Is this true? I am asking an honest question of Lovefraud readers here, and I would appreciate your feedback. Have any of you ever been subjected to gaslighting by someone who was basically a good person with problems? Can any of you attribute gaslighting behavior to the perpetrator’s stress or internal pain? Or, do you feel that gaslighting behavior is due to sociopathic traits?
Afraid to recommend
Overall, I have mixed feelings about this book, The Gaslight Effect. The author does a good job of explaining what the behavior looks like, and the questions victims should ask themselves to determine what is really going on. She offers strategies for coping with the behavior, including leaving the relationship.
But Dr. Stern seems to come from that school of therapy that believes both parties contribute equally to relationship problems. Throughout the entire book, I kept waiting for the author to warn the reader that some gaslighters have dangerous, pathological personality disorders, and they should run, not walk, for the nearest exit. The warning never came.
Therefore, I’m afraid to recommend the book, because it may encourage people to stay and try to work things out with an abuser. And the longer people stay in a gaslighting relationship, the more power they lose, and the harder it is to finally leave.
I think it is erroneous to operate on the idea that all victims of Psychopaths have psychological or emotional problems prior to the encounter. As explained in Women Who Love Psychopaths… the research indicates that the “problem” these women had is TOO much empathy ( and also characterized as strong and extroverted ). That isn’t a “problem” by any stretch of the word- but guess what, in a Psychopath’s hands, empathy or compassion is like PUTTY- there for him/her to manipulate. Anyone can be preyed on by a Psychopath… Dr. Robert D. Hare even admitted to falling under the spell of one.. the BIG GUN in psychopathy research even fell for it! ANYONE can be prey, given they are not aware.
Given, most if not all people have vulnerabilities- it’s what makes us human. Psychopaths hone in on these vulnerabilities, and i quote from Without Conscience in the Psychopath’s own words “Like a pig smells truffles”… that makes THEM abnormal- not us. In a normal relationship, LOVE conquers and is BLIND to these vulnerabilities because LOVE simply *is* despite them. In a Psychopath predatory encounter, your LOVE and Vulnerabilities are the perfect HOOK, vulnerabilities just another pit to exploit.
So it doesn’t take two people IMHO. It takes one.
Psychopaths are not wounded souls. They simply don’t have souls, period.
Twice Betrayed,
I can relate to wanting to take off, fleeing from the the turmoil that some of our relationships create. If it were just me, I would seriously think about doing so, but I have three kids. Getting away from the people (mainly family members) who just cause me headaches would be ideal.
to be happy,
I guess you could say that it is the deers fault for being eaten by a lion for being a deer.
Sure, I was trained by my selfish parents to allow others to abuse me. But I didn’t ask to be abused and would have preferred better treatment, I just didn’t know that people COULD be treated better. It seemed normal to me. Just like a deer thinks it’s normal to be prey.
What is the difference (if any) between “fear of abandonment” and “fear of losing control over someone?”
Personally I think the psychopath wants that CONTROL over their prey (victim) until THEY decide to abandon it. They have to be the one in CONTROL and to say to the prey, “You are not what I want, you are worthless.” But if the PREY escapes and runs away and out of their CONTROL they are furious. They must get control back, which means either entice the prey back with “Oh, I’m sooooo sorry I love you so much, please pity me” and if that doesn’t work, “I will stalk you to your grave>”
NO CONTACT on our part is the ULTIMATE CONTROL over them. They cannot manipulate us, and they have lost power. Lost control.
Reading the letters my P son wrote to my egg donor and my son C after the entire family went NC were actually funny. In one letter he would try anger about how we were mistreating him, in the next it was A Pity play, how pitiful and alone he was and how we had abandoned him, then he wrote to 3rd parties and got them to call or write to us on his behalf. Even wrote a 10 page letter to a priest friend of ours complaining how unchristian we were for not giving him UN-CONDITIONAL LOVE….LOL I can actually laugh at this crapola now, but because she kept reading it, it finally hooked the egg donor back into being his dupe again and sending him money, hiring him an attorney for his parole hearing, leaving him money in her will and so on. Defending him against me! LOL
That is why NC is so important, don’t LISTEN TO THEIR PLEAS for pity, or whatever ploy they are working today…and they will keep switching them up from Love to hate, to pity, until something finally clicks and they have baited you back and gotten control of you again.
We’ve had a problem with possums on the farm and coons and a skunk, and we have set traps and used different baits. We caught 6 possums, and found where the skunk was denned up and kill her, haven’t caught the coon yet…but will just keep changing baits until we find one that he can’t resist. They do the same thing with us as long as we look or listen to their offerings.
I seriously need to get a hold of a DMS. When is five out or is already? A friend of mine sometime ago had one and told me I should read it and that I would find it fascinating. Having said that, I think the lines are a bit blurred here when discussing which personality disorder the “gaslighter” falls into, is it N/P/S? Aren’t they ALL predatory and don’t they ALL exhibit these characteristics/behaviors? Food for thought for starters here.
This is my feedback/take on things:
I believe gaslighting is a trait of ALL sociopaths, but also Ps/Ns. Hands down. Any serious pathology and one of THE first signs anyone sees in a personality disorder, aligned with lying. One in the same? Well sort of.
While reading this and several other articles/posts on this site, there is enormous compassion given to the personality disordered person on the part of some here. Do they deserve it in my opinion? No, and here’s why: They do NOT give “compassion” to others in the slightest. They are sadistic, selfish, evil. They suck the souls of others dry in a malicious, cold calculated way. I do NOT believe for one MINUTE that these people spend five seconds in a state of compassion for anyone. Pity? Perhaps. Who would not pity someone who cannot love? WHo is evil? S/P/N’s are a tragic happenstance in society. TRAGIC and its effects are there for generations and decades to come. DEFINITELY sociopathic traits to answer that question.
I DO think, however, there is SOME truth to the idea that the REASONS we attract these people are emotional/psychological issues, BUT, I also think that we ALL have vunlerabilities and some more than others. I think they could hone in on a persons vulnerability VERY easily and at least attempt to worm their way into a person’s soul. There are so many variables here that I’d be here all day trying to articulate any of this. But to “victimize” the victim is very triggering for me. It invalidates my experience with someone who is VERY VERY sick and VERY VERY dangerous. Admittedly, when I see ANYTHING that encourages working things out with a personality disordered person or that I should have some compassion for them when they were MERCILESS to me, is in itself, well, insane. I can’t imagine what it would be to be someone reading this who is still involved with a Spath and just give that person ONE more reason to sit in denial and spend more time getting their asses kicked. No one needs anymore of that.
I need to be very careful when I read stuff that invalidates the incredible cruelty I experienced. It doesn’t foster my healing at this point. I’m still in the early stages of recovery. VERY early. It is disheartening to read stuff like this, although it would have a benefit for some I’m sure and there are some points outlined here that make sense, but the bottom line is the same, that the personality disordered individual is just a victim of his childhood like we all were. That implies he can FEEL……….the very antithesis to the notion that they CANNOT. So which is it?
He experiences “emotions”…but what KIND? Aren’t emotions, FEELING??? If he feels rage, anger, can he not feel hurt, pain? Dunno. I’m not a P/S/N. But in my observations the answer would be an unqualified NO. And if anything is shown, it is fake! Or at best shallow in nature.
**DSM** sorry 🙂
Well, according to Bruce Lipton….we are functioning from our “subconscious” mind, 95%…and are totally “conscious” only 5% of the time. Which means, that our “early” conditioning…if it was abuse….is what we attract out of familiarily.
In other words…a more “stable” woman than me…(three of my classroom aides) saw right through him and his antics at work….and distrusted him and despised him and avoided him.
However, “I”….was so attracted to his personality and demeanor….(controlling, secretive, macho…etc..) because of MY early conditioning …which was abusive.
So, no ….I’m not blaming myself for NOT seeing the red flags…and NOT being confident enough to stand up to him and demand respect (boundaries), etc.. Its not MY fault…its what happenned to me in my childhood that made me “weak”.
Hard to explain. The deer that was eaten by the lion didn’t learn to run faster,…or to protect himself.
I think we need to EDUCATE children…at a younger age than I originally felt….about EVIL in our society.
I used to teach my 3 girls to “love everyone” etc…”trust people” etc…and I was NOT a good role model….in some ways…talking to strangers…etc.
But, now I am changed. I don’t even like people anymore or trust them. I like children, animals and wise elderly people! lol
In all seriousness…had I been taught to be CONFIDENT, and STRONG, and had I been taught to be “streetwise” and not trust people….and had I been raised the way I raised MY girls…with confidence….I NEVER would have tolerated the Scott Peterson’s I was attracted to….and I NEVER would have stayed with my xhusb and had 3 kids from him….and I NEVER would have settled for the crumbs this last liar was throwing me!!
No, I didn’t ASK to be abused…but now I DO know how I should be treated,….because NOW “I” am healthier than I’ve ever been….smarter, wiser….tougher….not as trusting..
This is what I am implying. NOT that there is something flawed with me or other women who get conned….but, had we been EDUCATED and taught about PEOPLE….and EVIL….we never would have missed the red flags.
I still believe that we need to have “Social Skills” courses in ELEMENTARY schools today…since they start young on Facebook…etc..with technology today.
These courses should teach skills to assess people….different “types”….red flags….and how NOT to trust others.
I was so lonely at one time, that Hannibal Lechter could have rang my bell and I would have let him in!!! LOL!!
Most of us on here met got conned because we were at vulnerable stages in our lives…from what I read. We weren’t “stupid” or “psychotic”…..we just were “weak and vulnerable”…another thing we need to teach our children…
“How not to be taken advantage of and conned”..
So, I see my daughters peers…some young teenage girls…who come from abusive and neglected homes ….and they are allowing the boys to “abuse” them…con them into having sex…etc…Noone is teaching them that they COULD and SHOULD be treated with respect….they also think its normal to not be treated with respect…because they have low self esteem.
Yes, I feel that if you have low self esteem, there is a reason…and it brings a lot of misery into your life. I was gorgeous when I was younger…but I had no confidence. Yes..thats a flaw. So is being “vulnerable”.
Well i made the distinction as to not confuse it w/ the normal “fear of abandonment” in NORMAL people ( i think it lends to a certain connotation ). That and sociopaths don’t feel “fear” like normal people do. The amygdala ( or “Ahhhh!mygdala as my psych professor liked to put it ) doesn’t respond in their brains the same way it does in ours. So I was hesitant on calling it “fear” of any kind.. more like RAGE or annoyance, frustration… They don’t “fear” repercussions of getting caught, they just change their stories once they are. The amygdala is also said to be the “seat of emotion” and psychopaths don’t have any… so yeah. I don’t know if that’s necessarily just semantics.. but I think to visualize where they are coming from it is helpful to make the distinction. I do agree that NC is the ultimate control… you’re taking it back and they don’t like that- not one bit! Hence the verbage of expletives, crocodile tears, pity party, anything.. ANYTHING to get you back in their script.. where you’re supposed to look scared and they’re supposed to flex their arms in glib satisfaction and glee.
dancing, bluejay, sky, ox, lesson: HEAR, HEAR!
Lesson learned, I agree with your take on things, but I think that is also why we need to learn and read from a VARIETY of sources, not just one. I have read until I am almost “blind”—all kinds of books about psychopaths from Bob Hare’s “Without Conscience” to “If you had controlling parents” and so on, and gotten some good things out of many books, even if I didn’t agree with much in a particular book, I usually found some “take home lessons” in just about every one I have read.
I did get some great “take home” lessons from this book on Gaslighting and how it is done. I didn’t agree with all of her takes, but she explained the “gaslighting” part of it so that it was much more clear to me than it had EVER been. The rest of the book didn’t “hurt” me, and I got a great deal of good out of the “good parts.”
So reading any book or article on psychopaths and/or about healing, or improving ourselves is like a smorgassboard, I think, it may have some plates of great food, and it may have some boiled liver, (YUK) so we just have to pick and choose the parts that we want and leave the rest on the table…or maybe take a bite or two of something new and see how it tastes. Learning is never wasted I think.