It’s amazing how people can have differing opinions of the same book. Last May, the Lovefraud Reader Ox Drover wrote a review of The Gaslight Effect, by Dr. Robin Stern. I am always on the lookout for books that will help readers understand, and recover from, a traumatic entanglement with a sociopath. Because Oxy was so complimentary about The Gaslight Effect, I was anxious to read it, and possibly recommend it to others.
Well, I read the book, but I’m not sure I can recommend it.
Oxy did point out that Dr. Stern never mentions the word, “sociopath,” referring to the perpetrator as the “gaslighter,” and the victim as the “gaslightee.” Although Oxy was willing to look past this omission, I’m not.
First of all, let’s define “gaslighting.” According to Wikipedia:
Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Gaslighting is nasty behavior. The problem I have with this book is that Dr. Stern never, ever mentions, not once, that a person who is gaslighting someone else may be malicious, controlling, and intent on destroying the soul of the victim. She does not mention that the gaslighter may be mentally and emotionally abusing someone else, simply for his or her amusement. She does not say that the gaslighter may be evil.
Here’s how Dr. Stern defines the gaslighting relationship:
The Gaslight Effect results from a relationship between two people: a gaslighter, who needs to be right in order to preserve his own sense of self and his sense of having power in the world; and a gaslightee, who allows the gaslighter to define her sense of reality because she idealizes him and seeks his approval.
This definition makes it seem like the two parties—gaslighter and gaslightee—are equally responsible for the dynamics. I don’t think that’s true. Then, a few pages later, Dr. Stern writes:
Of course, neither of you may be aware of what’s really happening. The gaslighter may genuinely believe every word he tells you or sincerely feel that he’s only saving you from yourself. Remember: He’s being driven by his own needs. Your gaslighter might seem like a strong, powerful man, or he may appear to be an insecure, tantrum-throwing little boy; either way, he feels weak and powerless. To feel powerful and safe, he has to prove that he is right, and he has to get you to agree with him.
Excuse me while I barf. Sociopaths who engage in gaslighting do not feel weak and powerless. They are motivated by dominance and feel totally entitled to do what they want and take what they want, even if it is someone else’s sanity.
Three types of gaslighters
Next, Dr. Stern describes three types of gaslighters—the Glamour Gaslighter, the Good-Guy Gaslighter, and the Intimidator. She spends the most time describing the Glamour Gaslighter:
He lets you know you’re the most wonderful woman in the world, the only one who’s ever understood him, the fairy-tale princess who has magically transformed his life. He’ll transform your life, too, he implies or even promises, he’ll shower you with affection, take you to wonderful places, sweep you off your feet with gifts or intimate confessions or sexual attention of a kind you’ve never known before.
This is a perfect description of a sociopath in full seduction mode. But Dr. Stern doesn’t seem to get it. Instead, she explains that this man is in love with the idea of a relationship. He likes to be a leading man, and is looking for a leading lady to fill her part.
Dr. Stern describes the Good-Guy Gaslighter as someone who needs to appear reasonable and good, but is deeply committed to getting his own way. She spends the least amount of time describing the Intimidator, perhaps because the problems are so obvious—put-downs, yelling, bullying, guilt trips and other types of punishment. In order for a relationship with an Intimidator to be more satisfying, she says, the Intimidator will need to alter his way of relating. Yeah, right.
Stress response
Much of this book describes sample cases of gaslightees trying to understand and cope with gaslighters. I’m sure this helps people realize and identify what is going on in these relationships.
The book, however, falls down when Dr. Stern explains why this behavior happens. She writes, “Gaslighting is a response to stress; people become either gaslighters or gaslightees when they feel threatened.”
Sociopaths don’t engage in gaslighting because they’re stressed. They engage in it because it’s who they are and what they do. And victims don’t become gaslightees because of stress. They are trapped because of a psychopathic bond created by the predator.
Then, Dr. Stern asks the reader to be honest:
Think about the ways in which you aren’t being your best self. Do you set off your gaslighter by being overly critical or demanding? Do you belittle your gaslighter or play on his vulnerabilities? Do you say or do things that you know will make him crazy?
Gee, the people I hear from are walking on eggshells trying not to set the guy off. Until, of course, it gets so bad that they have not choice but to explode.
What’s your view?
In the last chapter, Dr. Stern offers three courses of action for people in these situations: Changing the gaslighting relationship from within, limiting a gaslighting relationship, or leaving the relationship. Yes, these are the three choices, and the book offers suggestions on how to decide what to do.
When considering whether to stay in the relationship and change it from within, Dr. Stern reminds the reader to be compassionate, both for herself and the gaslighter. She writes:
You don’t have to put up with unlimited bad treatment, but if your gaslighter persists in gaslighting you, you can remind yourself that he is also suffering, perhaps even more than you are. After all, he almost certainly grew up in a home where he was gaslighted by someone and couldn’t make it stop—so now he doesn’t understand why you have the power to say no.
Is this true? I am asking an honest question of Lovefraud readers here, and I would appreciate your feedback. Have any of you ever been subjected to gaslighting by someone who was basically a good person with problems? Can any of you attribute gaslighting behavior to the perpetrator’s stress or internal pain? Or, do you feel that gaslighting behavior is due to sociopathic traits?
Afraid to recommend
Overall, I have mixed feelings about this book, The Gaslight Effect. The author does a good job of explaining what the behavior looks like, and the questions victims should ask themselves to determine what is really going on. She offers strategies for coping with the behavior, including leaving the relationship.
But Dr. Stern seems to come from that school of therapy that believes both parties contribute equally to relationship problems. Throughout the entire book, I kept waiting for the author to warn the reader that some gaslighters have dangerous, pathological personality disorders, and they should run, not walk, for the nearest exit. The warning never came.
Therefore, I’m afraid to recommend the book, because it may encourage people to stay and try to work things out with an abuser. And the longer people stay in a gaslighting relationship, the more power they lose, and the harder it is to finally leave.
lesson learned,
It sounds like you are doing a very good thing and that’s a great place to start and keep on going, your prayers will be answered!!!.
I think people who use God/Bible or even church for their abusiveness is really destructive. You get some that ‘pretend’ to be Christians just to get that ‘foot hold’ into vulnerable women’s and men’s lives even when they know some or a lot of scripture-but that does not mean anything, it’s by their actions that one can know (who are weak in areas and these predators know how to seek and exploit these people and we WERE one of those) for power, control, etc.
Psychopaths play this sick game all too well. I think we, as survivors, HAD been brainwashed-through manipulation, by these people and after time we are weary to get close to God, Jesus, church and so on and maybe the spiritual abuse was not only for abusiveness and control but also for us to fear (the afraid definition not the reverence definition) God and never get close to His spiritual side.
It could be hard to pick up a Bible and meditate on the words when there has been spiritual abuse, BUT it is not impossible.
I think psychopaths don’t want us to be free from them, don’t want us mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically free from them…..if we are free then the control is severed.
My ex Jimmy claimed to be a Born Again Christian but he also claimed to be a lot of things and he sure was not who he claimed to be – once he left (long story with this as other things) the dark cloud left with him, that thickness in our home was gone..believe it or not, it was miraculous and my faith in God increased so much after (I finally listened, lol).
I believe there is always hope in this type of darkness and once that ‘evil influence’ is gone then we are able to see that ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ and will start to see things very clearly and it will come to you
I haven’t been on LF long, very new to this site, can I ask what happened in your situation, if you don’t mind? I read some stuff that happened 🙂
Free,
I really appreciate this post a lot. Evil, at least in the spiritual emotional sense, is what I’m coming to terms with in exspathy.
It’s hard to understand why someone would harbor so much hatred for you, the MORE you show them love. So sad, but unfortunately, seeing that it’s true. I want to think about your post some more before I can answer more Free, as it provokes thought for me. Right now, I’m feeling a little tired. It would be helpful to me if you would share with me what you’ve already read about my situation, what you already know, then I can fill in the rest for you. It just seems very daunting to go over the whole thing tonight 🙂
Ox, I’m preparing to submit myself to the idea of evil. After having finished Stalking the Soul tonight, one of the things that I do see and recognize is that these people are not out for your best interests, but to destroy a person and what that really means once someone is targeted. I was seeing him through the eyes of my own lens. I cannot imagine evil, nor any predation to such because I do not think that way.It has been very, very difficult to accept that everything I felt for him, during the entirety of our “relationSHIT” was perceived by him as not something to reciprocate, but something to destroy. When you’re a good heart and a good person…evil just ……..is beyond my understanding in seeing people as objects to exploit, use, control and manipulate. Of which I was one to him, as well as to my bio fam. I was a scapegoat for them, for exP and for exPOS.
I did love this man, or at least what I thought was being presented to me. It is painful that we were friends first before any of the intimacy started. I was just out of a twenty year extremely abusive/violent relationshit with first HubbyP and exPOS knew it all. He felt safe to me. He knew my vulnerabilities. And he fed off every single one of them. I wanted what he presented. What he was to me. He never WAS that in the first place. He is abusive, he is a sociopath. He is evil. He is chaos, drama and tiring. A constant walk in an inevitable darkness. How could I not have SEEN this?
I think I know that one too. I can say that because one thing I have also realized is that throughout the relationshit, I was always verbal with him in fighting back each time he tried to ruin me. Oh sure there were plenty of times of begging him back to me…but still, this little voice of FIGHT left within. I remember so many times saying “I’m a good person, a good woman!! And you have NO RIGHT to treat me this way!” fell on deaf ears of course, but inside I knew that, I think…while saying that to him over and over, I don’t think I was trying to convince me, as much as I was trying to convince myself that it was true.
In this book it talks about the victim is targeted, not because she’s weak and dependent, but because she’s strong with good qualities.That’s not verbatim, but I think you know what I mean and I think that is very true. After P I hadn’t lost my vitality or VERY strong will to live or for joy at times…..after this exPOS, I can tell you honestly he was ten times WORSE than first hubby P. Never have I met someone so calculated in his attempts to destroy me. For all the good things I was when we were friends and when we were first together. He targeted my best qualities and proceeded to suck the life out of them.
Somehow, I just don’t think all was lost. Yes, I have PTSD symptoms, yes I vacillate between being really clear and then in despair, but I can’t believe that healing hasn’t commenced and won’t continue. He’s out of my life, his influence in my daily living is gone, but his shadow of evil remains, but my present good qualities are ALL still intact.
I’m a good person. I have a big heart. I care how others feel. I’m intelligent, love my kids and my weiner dog. With each step I took to show MORE of this to others, the more he hated me. He HATED me with a murderous passion. I believe that was what the show of the gun was that night. He had absolute murderous contempt for me. The more independent I was becoming the more demanding, selfish and absolute prick like he was. His evil was showing. He didn’t WANT me to succeed and he tried his DAMNDEST to make sure it wasn’t going to happen…but I stood up for myself in what I felt WAS good of me…
I really need to continue to work on acceptance of all of this. I know it will take some time and I’m excited for my book to come tomorrow…but just some thoughts. It’s not my fault for what he did to me. But it is my responsibility to take care of the fallout so that it never happens to me again. I understand how slow that process will be, but I have the courage and what is left of my strength to try to endure the pain of it.
LL
LL,
you are so right.
But it isn’t easy, I’ve been at it for 1.5 years.
When I was with him, my love for him SUSTAINED ME!
Even throught the abuse, I was strong FOR HIM. I didn’t know I was being abused. He’s that good. When I left him, and realized that an anchor had been lifted from my neck, I thought it would be smooth sailing from that point on. I was wrong, my problem is rooted in my parents abuse of me. Because of my programming, I can only be strong when I’m doing things for the needy others. So I have nothing to anchor me now. No motivation to make my life better. Add the avoidance coping that I have (because I don’t want to think of my parents as sociopaths) to this problem and I’m just frozen.
We can get through this LL. We will. You are doing so much better in your understanding of evil. We don’t “get” evil very easily. How could we? We don’t have any in us. That’s the proof, LL. If you were evil, you wouldn’t have been taken in, you would have known that this type of evil exists from your OWN experience. But you didn’t know, you are like Jesus described.
Matthew 18 vs. 2
He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
Causing to Stumble
6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!
LL, woe to that m*****f****r who caused you to stumble, when you were innocent.
Sky
WOW!!!!! I hadn’t thought of it like that, but I do see how that is truth. You know, I think my “innocence” or stumbling came through with the lack of connection to my childhood. So MANY things are coming up for me now in connection, sometimes, it’s just plain overwhelming. I wonder if it’s easier to get past a Spath if you’ve not been wounded in childhood? I think it’s easier to recover yourself. This makes it so much HARDER when I haven’t had a foundation of love and hope. I can see how God has carried me through all of this. Purely HIS grace because I walked out of my childhood NOT knowing love AT ALL. I’m thinking about the abuses I endured…..so many…when I think about how I was treated and look at my children….it’s just unfathomable to me. I love ALL of my children…dearly and can’t imagine hating ANY of my children. I KNOW I’m a loving heart. When my mother was dying of cancer, my spath sibs, bailed on her. Particularly spathy sister. They emotionally bailed. I was there for her, even with how she treated me and with what was to come (Being kicked out of the will without knowing by spath sis/bro). I loved her anyway. I BATHED her when she was sick, HUGGED her and let her TALK about her fears. I LOVED HER ANYWAY!! And still……all she talked about was how she was going to miss not seeing spath bro/sis children, marriages blah blah blah….it was so hard…but I know I did the right thing.
That’s when hospice care became near and dear to my heart.
**sigh** thanks for sharing that sky. I love it when scripture is given to me in posts. I can’t read my bible just yet, but seeing it here helps a lot.
LL
Is anyone from Canada on LF? I have a dream of living in a tropical resort with NO SNOW and COLD!!!!!Here it is suppose to go down to -35 degrees Celsius with windchill……..So tired of COLD and SNOW!!!!
LL, Im answering your question from the other day- I read some of the things you have endured from ‘blaming the victim’ blog and you sure went through a horrible ordeal (all of us have, but some seem more horrible than others).
Since I have read a lot of info on this site and read some of the things that us survivors have been through, I would have never imagined there are so many victims and destructiveness that these psychopaths caused….too bad LF couldn’t be advertised on TV or radio on a regular basis, so many people would benefit with this information and of course a place to get very good advise and vent out frustrations.
I told off my daughter tonight. I hated to do it. Especially since she is going to Afganistan in a week. I just felt
ENOUGH is ENOUGH. She is badgering me to give her a free pass on student loans. She doesn’t badger her dad cause I’m the asshole that signed for her student loans.
Here are our emails in facebook
This has been a headache since she wants me to get the disability discharge to discharge her student loans. Now it is down to the minutes. And I don’t have a doctor to sign off on it. I think it will break our mother/daughter relationship. I just can’t take anymore of her badgering me. Her dad never signed for her student loans. So all the focus is on me the asshole that signed for her student loans.
Here are our last emails from facebook
I took Junior to doctor on Friday and asked the front desk at clinic if that doctor left anything for me. Nope the doctor didn’t. That jackass is so unprofessional. If he didn’t want to bother he should have said so instead of leading me on and then doing it halfass which wasn’t accepted by loan company
Stephanie January 15 at 8:48pm Report
Sorry my Blackeberry cut me off. Anyways, THIS IS HIS JOB. I am leaving so when my loan comes out of derferrment I’m not going to be home mom and I’m not sure what to do aout payments. I’ve had it. What kind of doctors do you have up there anyways? Apparently not a good one, or one that should be seing Junior. This is ridiculous!!~!!!!!! I’vve been working on this for a year and finally we figured out your doctor is a moron. Wonderful. Well whatever. I’ll be in Afganistan so when you get a bill in May don’t bve alarmed, I’ll just have to take care of it when I can…… when I get back. This is why I have been harhping for the past YEAR! So we wouldn’t have to deal with this now when I’m deployed. Oh Well I guess. Let me know when you get the bill. I’ll call you when I can
Jeannie January 15 at 9:23pm
The doctor does not see it as his job and he has blown me off since Nov 11. The clinic ducks their head and tells me to take it up with doctor.
Before this I went to a PA and that wasn’t accepted.
I can try another doctor. But if this other doctor threatens to cut off my social security like the other one….I am done with this.
Stephanie January 16 at 9:39am Report
Well if you’re really disabled you should have nothing to worry about. I’m just angry that it has taken over a year to get this done. I wanted to take care of it before I deployed…and here I’m leaving in a week and it’s not done. I’m not spending my last week in the States worrying about this. I’m in the middle of moving, gettting Powers of Attornies for everything, packing, getting shots and Malaria medications…. I have way too much on my plate. When I’m in Afganistan I’m only allowed two 15 min phone calls a month. So we’re really in a difficult situation now.
Jeannie January 16 at 7:24pm
Excuse me? I went to a doctor. What do you want from me?….for me to see 5 doctors or more if that is what it takes? Chase all over the state if that is what it takes? I told you upfront that this would be difficult and that I will not chase around the state looking for a doctor to sign off. I never signed up for this crap when I co-signed for the student loans.
How much help did I get from you when I moved up here? None. It was my choice to move up here? Yeah, well it was your choice to sign up to go to war. You were looking at the sign-up bonus.
Just as you look at me with dollar signs. You see me as a free pass. Doesn’t matter to you if I lose my social security and driving privileges. You would tell me to bum rides and clean toilets for the rest of my life.
Notice how she questions if I’m really disabled while she is banking on it.
I agree with Donna’s interpretation. There are various degrees of gaslighting which can include when it’s done innocently and non-maliciously…forget the source of this info. But, the type of gaslighting done maliciously with calculated intent to harm another person belongs to the N, the S/P, and/or the P. What is done via malicious gaslighting is evil through and through.
In another blog by Donna, and I think this is what she says…that mental health professionals don’t seem to “get it” about what it’s really like to relate to an N, a S/P or a P. My thought is that the most effective way to learn about these creeps is by being targeted by them, which becomes a teachable moment. “Studying” about them is only a small part in truly understanding the nature of these monsters.
Freeatlast…can so relate to several things in your post…the first is 35 below temp and how uncomfortable it is to endure! Second…yes!!!!! there is a serious need to educate society-at-large about this personality type. I think the problem is much worse than the statistics show. I wonder if Donna would be willing to take this on? (And next we flash to a Public Service Announcement asking whether viewers have ever known anyone who has even one of the following personality traits).
Was anyones spath into wholesome television series I.e.secret millionaire, intervention programs, home makeovers? Mine was and I sm trying to understand why non emotional individuals could be moved by these programs or perhaps maybe it was to mimic kind behavior?? He was also really into hgtv was flicks. Ans anyone?