Reviewed by Joyce Alexander, RNP (Retired)
I bought The Psychopath Test—A Journey Through the Madness Industry, by John Ronson, based mainly on the title. Jon Ronson is a journalist and author of two previous books that were widely accepted. A movie was made about one of them, The Men Who Stare at Goats, starring George Clooney. The first couple of chapters of this book weren’t all that interesting to me, but before long I was hooked into the story he was writing.
Mr. Ronson looks at the “madness industry” from an outsider’s point of view. He actually took training from Dr. Robert “Bob” Hare in how to use the Psychopathic Check List-Revised to spot a psychopath. Ronson went a few steps further, though, in his learning about commercial psychiatry, and the industry that has grown up around the DSM II-V, defining what is and what is not “madness.”
Dr. Robert Hare, as we know, was the developer of the PCL-R, which is similar to the “cook book” diagnostic manual for psychiatry (DSM), with check lists of symptoms for definite diagnostic criteria to define and “diagnose” what is normal behavior and what is not. There were some interesting discussions documented between Ronson and Dr. Hare about the validity of the PCL-R and where the “cut off score” should be.
Ronson gave the history of the development of the DSM, which has expanded with numerous added “disorders” and “mental illnesses” with each new edition and revision, to where it is now nearly a thousand pages. Though it is intended for mental health professionals, the DSM IV sold many, many more copies, mostly to laypeople, than there are mental health professionals in the world.
Ronson set out to interview and evaluate several people who were “notorious” criminals or well known high-flying and important business leaders and politicians in several countries to see how they fared when compared to the PCL-R. He also was able to visit the inside of the “hospitals” in the UK where diagnosed psychopathic criminals are held, literally “forever,” while they are being “treated” for their psychopathy after their criminal sentences are served out.
Ronson’s faith in the diagnostic ability of the mental health professionals was not strengthened when he studied the famous experiment by Dr. David Rosenhan and several others in the 1970s, who went to several mental hospitals and reported to the physicians there that they “heard voices” in their heads. This was the only abnormal symptom (or lie) that they presented to the professionals. They were admitted to the hospitals, where they never again acted “crazy” or lied to the staff. They behaved entirely normally. It was almost two months before they could “get out” by admitting that they were crazy and needed help. “There was only one way out. They had to agree with the psychiatrists that they were insane and then pretend to get better.”
Rosenhan’s experiment, once published, caused pandemonium in the mental health profession. One hospital challenged him to send in more fakes. Rosehan agreed. The hospital claimed it found 41 fakes the first month. The down side of their sleuthing, though, was that Rosenhan hadn’t sent any fakes to their hospital.
While no branch of medicine is totally objective, (they don’t call it the “practice” of medicine for nothing!) by its very nature, psychiatry is somewhat more subjective (in the eye of the beholder) than physical medicine. Ronson’s book does make the point, though, that putting labels on every behavior imaginable isn’t the answer to improving the practice, and neither is a pill for every disorder.
Psychiatry and pharmacology have both made vast improvements in the lives of many people who are truly mentally ill, but with poor diagnosis and poor medication, some great horrors have also been accomplished as well. Not every bad behavior means a person is psychopathic and not every bouncy kid is ADHD or bi-polar at age three. Ronson does make the point that mental health is a located on a continuum. No one is 100% mentally “healthy,” any more than no one is 100% physically “healthy.”
On the whole, I enjoyed the book, and he makes some great cases and writes in an interesting manner. The only criticism for his writing are the first couple of chapters “The Missing Part of the Puzzle Revealed—”and I’m not quite sure why they were included in this otherwise very interesting book. Maybe somehow I missed his sense of humor, but the rest of the book made up for the start I didn’t get.
I would recommend this book to anyone wanting to learn about abnormal versus normal psychology, and a bit about the “industry” that has grown up around “madness.”
The Psychopath Test on Amazon.com.
((Constantine)) & ((TB)): Thanks so much for your support this morning. It means a lot to me. I know my counselor is right. I don’t want this to consume what is left of my life. And, I have no intention on allowing it to once I am past this ‘mania’ stage of this experience. Once I am over this part of it, it is going to become SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BURIED. Until it is continued at my demise. That is all there is to it. Once I am over this ‘ruminating’ and being all ‘out of whack’ in the melon, that’s it. I am putting it aside and will have it dealt with at my demise. That is all there is to it. Instead of that giving me HATE, it gives me great and immense RESOLVE to know that I don’t have to spend another moment on this right now. That it WILL be taken care of without ever bothering me again. I have made sure of it. THIS is the part that is the hardest: the ‘letting go’. That’s what this really is all about. That ‘betrayal bond’; that ‘conditioning’ that we allowed ourselves to accept when it was so unacceptable to begin with.
Oh yes, My Dear Constantine: it has been much worse than anyone could possibly know. I am still horrified when I touch some of those memories. Nobody will ever really come to know ALL of it because I don’t think I can recollect some of it being it was so torrid and ugly.
Yah: “insiders club”; ahahahahahaha – one heck of a ‘club’ to belong to! If you have to belong to it, no better place to hang, than right here. 🙂
I am not upset with my counselor. It’s alright. I know she meant well and I love her; she is awesome. 🙂 I don’t know how she puts up with me sometimes. . BOTH of my counselors are amazing and exceptional people. Like Angels here, on earth.
If I make it to this coming Tuesday morning without incident from “IT”, Duped is going out and treating herself to a drink at the local watering hole! I mean, seriously. There is this ‘connection’ that exists between “IT” and myself. A mind and soul connection.
I think it developed over the years of time we were acquainted. He was overseas most of those years so most of our relationship was online. We have the amazing ability to be connected although far apart.
I know that sounds so MANSON but it is My Dear Friends. I am still being held hostage. But actively working to sever those ties and connections. I can almost “FEEL” it thinking of me or “FEEL” it when it slithers about me. Like an animal in the woods sniffing danger on the wind.
Only after I first laid eyes on it, did the trouble truly begin. IT almost took my life from me and denies doing it but it is undeniable. DNA don’t lie. There was no reason for IT to do to me the things it has done. All the reasons it gives for defending itself are lies and deceptions. Just some more of the same.
I refuse to lay down and die for someone like this. THIS used to be my best friend. The friend I trusted and stayed loyal to all this time. The one I believed in. The one that tried to kill me and I never saw it coming. Imagine that. It still just takes my breath away. HOW it could be so lackadaisical about me and what it has done to me. I am just completely blown away. And, I try to warn others: “IF IT CAN DO THIS TO ME, IT WILL DO IT TO YOU, IT WILL DO IT TO ANYONE. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SPECIAL, YOU AREN’T. IT WILL DO THE SAME THINGS TO YOU.”
I will be alright. I AM making HUGE, IMMENSE PROGRESS in defeating this ‘addiction’ and that’s really what it is, if you look at it PROPERLY. They messed up our thought processes. But, we can get them back. We just need to discipline ourselves into LEAVING THE JERKFACES IN THE DUST. 🙂
Wish me luck between now and Tuesday morning???
You will be the first’s to know! I can see LOTS of flashing blues on the horizon. Trust me.
*HUGS & SMILES*
Happy my post made you smile, TB! xxoo – hmmmm:
‘The Screwtape Letters” ~ C.S. Lewis…I will have to check it out! Somehow I have a very ‘strange’ feeling we may not be too far off. Sort of like the ‘walking dead’…soul less beings devouring souls of the innocent and unsuspecting and finding glee in their miseries…
Love and hugs TB & Constantine…
YOU TOO LOUISE! You are in my thoughts and prayers. xxoo
Dupedster
Duped: GREAT post and thank you for your love and hugs! Same to you!!!!!!!â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥
Ah, yes, the ‘kiss of Judas’ [betrayal] is indeed almost more than we can bear. But, we can get to the other side……☼
I just did the “Are you a psychopath? test by Elias killjoy,{from the book above.}I put in my daughters score in the questions,{ or rather as I see her}.
She scored 36 out of 40,and is diagnosed a Sociopath. No surprises there then!
Love,
Gem.
((MamaGem)) You did the right thing for yourself. Sometimes all we can do is save ourselves. I hope you have no guilty feelings for rejecting something that was so horrible for you. “Love” doesn’t expect for us to sacrifice ourselves for it, I don’t believe. “Love” shouldn’t have to hurt. If it does, it isn’t “Love” at all.
My heart is with you and you are so amazing…
You are MY KIND OF PERSON and I salute you! xxoo
Whoa! Got this book today and been all up in it! I agree, first several chapters–I skipped them and went to chapter 4. [I’m going back to read them-especially on Scientology] WHAT an eye opener!!!! Even though I’ve researched abnormal psychology and read nearly all the books on here, including Hare’s and Sam’s [I know…but some of it was interesting from a N’s point of view], this is really interesting! As I said, Chapter 4 has really changed my way of viewing the world/life and impacted me so much, I will be forever changed. All because of the close up of Hare’s personality, work, experience and professional opinions. Thanks for posting this, Oxy; it’s a valuable resource!!!!!! Back to the book…….
Dear TB, I sent Donna another review too, that is a MUST HAVE “The science of Evil, on Empathy and the origins of cruelty”
I am glad that you enjoyed this book “The Psychopath Test” and one of the things that made it so interesting to me was that this guy was a journalist not a psychologist or a researcher, but he went through all the ways in which psychology was developed, and talked to Hare about how psychopaths were defined, as well as how the DSM was devised….it IS A GREAT EYE OPENER and I am glad you are reading it TB….I’ve been studying this subject both professionally and personally for several years, and these last 4 years almost “full time” and I am amazed at how much research has been done on genetics, behavior and environment, REAL research, as well as philosophies of looking at things from different directions.
Of course I also get to indulge my book-a-holism when I want to buy another book for my “studying”! LOL
Ox: I am going to Amazon to see about that book! Thanks!
This is a fantastic book! I like the way this guy admits he and all the pros were skeptics until they starting watching Hare’s films/interviews with the psychopaths. Ahahahaa! Changed their minds and really began to open their eyes. I like this quote[in the book] from Martha Stout from Harvard Medical School: “Sociopaths love power. They love winning. If you take loving kindness out of the human brain, there’s not much left except the will to win.”
You know, being an empath and gaining all this knowledge; I am able to really see into people’s motives and past their veneers. Kinda late, but hey, better late than never! LOL I think this is called wisdom. LOL
book-a-holism! Funny! Now that’s a good ‘ism! ;p
TB I think the Psychopath test + the Science of evil=GREAT PAIR of books! I have read some great ones lately, the two by Barbara Oakley and then these two. BTW the Science of Evil one quotes research from Oakley.
OX! OMG-chapter 3!!!!!!!!! I skipped back and read it! Did you read that regarding Mary Barnes?????? OMG! [All those ‘experiments’ and ‘therapies’????????] Holy crud!
Here is the wiki info on her, but what about the *hit therapy she went thru at Kingsley Hall.
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Barnes
Wait til you get to the one that tells about the guys who pretended to be “crazy” but got admitted to a psych inpatient facility then acted “normal” and couldn’t get out until they admitted to being crazy and then said they had improved. LOL Was a big embarrassment for the psych community. LOL We studied that experiment in school which I thought was completely funny because everything the guys did was labeled as “pathological” even though it was actually normal. One of the guys who was keeping notes on what was going on was labeled as “pathological writing” LOL
Yea, it is a great book! I’ve stumbled on to some good ones lately.