It’s disconcerting, no question about it, working with someone who’s antisocial, with real sociopathic qualities (forgetting, again, for the moment, the hell of living with such an individual).
Recently, I’m struck again, in my work with a client I’ll call Howard, by the brew of certain qualities, certain attitudes, certain defenses that strike me as forming a rather sociopathic orientation.
Howard is 19. He understands the suffering he’s causing others in his life: he can “talk the talk,” meaning that he “gets it” on a cognitive level. He can say, for instance, quite accurately, what he’s doing, why it’s wrong, that it’s wrong, even that he feels bad about it.
How badly he really feels is highly debatable. In my view, not nearly as badly as he claims, and certainly not nearly badly enough to make real efforts at change. In our sessions, I confront him regularly with my perception of the discrepancy between his assertions of remorse and regret, and what he’s really willing to do about them?
I see him as someone who can hear my challenges without reacting very defensively. His undefensiveness may seem like a good quality, and maybe it is; but it’s also likely that it stems, to some extent, from his ultimate unconcern with what I feel about, and think, of him. That is, I suspect it stems in part, at least, from his relative indifference to my (or anyone’s) view of him.
When I say he’s undefensive, I mean this specifically with regard to how he fields my confrontations. He is fairly placid in his absorption of them. On another level, though, he’s quite defensive in a classically narcissistic/sociopathic fashion: On one hand, as I’ve noted, he can seem remorseful (quite regretful) for his misbehaviors and abusive attitudes. But if you should probe him at all—not just accept his statements of remorse at face value—he predictably lapses into his truer position: this is a position from which his abusiveness is always, ultimately, rationalized as a response to his perceiving himself as having been victimized, persecuted or otherwise treated unfairly in some fashion.
Now he is canny enough to attempt to disguise this pattern, especially with initial assertions of politically correct sounding accountability. But always, with a little prodding, you will bring him back to his true experience in which self-justification for his abusiveness and an attitude of unaccountability prevail.
Just as noteworthy: no matter how many times you point out to him how rapidly he shifts from taking “seeming” responsibility for his behavior to abruptly abdicating responsibility for the same behavior (again, rationalizing it as a response to others’ persecution), he is rather uninterested in this contradiction and basically unconcerned to reconcile it. He just doesn’t find this contradiction particularly troubling, peculiar, meaningful, or worth his time to look at.
This is a highly sociopathic quality and attitude.
It seems to reflect the “glitch” that allows this personality, in his blithely untroubled, incurious fashion, to verbalize awareness and regret over his abusiveness and exploitiveness on the one hand, while on the other (almost simultaneously) to rationalize it as a valid reaction to his perceived, or contrived, victimization.
When I confront him routinely with this contradiction, he may give lip service to the validity of my observation; but always, his interest to explore it, to own its possible ramifications, is superficial and transient.
Similarly, he will periodically assert his desire to cease his hurtful behaviors; then, in the next minute or so, when presented with evidence that he’s continued the very behaviors he’s claimed to want to cease, he may say something like, “Well, maybe I’m really not that motivated. To be honest, I’m really not.”
The honesty itself could almost be seen as admirable. But the problem lies in his blithe disinterest in the rapid, contradictory nature of his assertions. He isn’t embarrassed by this. Point it out to him and he’s almost bored, like a kid who’ll say, when inconvenienced, “Whatever.”
I regard this pattern as a sociopathic form of indifference to the contradiction between one’s statements, and between one’s statements and ongoing actions. What’s striking isn’t the contradictory content itself, but the missing shame and embarrassment when confronted with the nature of the discrepant communications.
This can leave me shaking my head, privately, in a kind of amazement. But even if I were to shake my head in visible amazement, while Howard might notice it, and might understand why he’s left me shaking my head, you can bet he wouldn’t care to make any more sense of himself to me than he cares to make sense of himself to himself—which is very little.
(This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
sky – thanks for posting kathy krojco – when i have more time i will read – i have a whack of Ns to deal with.
Dancingnancies, Thanks for your post. I think you are spot on about shame.
I read, “Story of O” about 15 years ago, when I was a Lit major, mostly out of curiosity (I really dislike pornography), and found so much more in this book than titillation. I wouldn’t say it is “well written”, but it has a depth about it, and I think speaks of those things you mentioned above.
In the end, O is no longer able to use language. She is debased to the level of animal….this is interesting because I’ve looked into, “trauma theory of Literature” a bit, and one of the assertions of that theory is that trauma is unspeakable..that there really are no words for it.
In ‘story of O” everything that O indures, she indures willingly.
Some critics have suggested that the book is really about a religious experience where O surrenders her will and life to God. I’ll leave that for you to decide. Just thought you might be interested.
Steve,
Another wonderful article, describing my husband to a tee. It’s frustrating to deal with someone like this. When I read about your client, “Howard”, I could totally comprehend what you were talking about, experiencing, in relation to your therapy sessions with him. Thank you for your ability to describe what many of us have experienced, putting it “to paper” (so to speak) about sociopaths. It really does me good (it’s a relief) to read your articles because you “get” what all of us have faced in connection to these disordered souls.
Hmm kim, that’s an intriguing premise. I’ll def have to check that out, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
There have been some real incredibly valuable posts lately. The quality blows me away. I’ve gone back to reread and wow, the insights are life affirming and humbling.
dancingnancies: “the shame is unbearable”.
SO right on.
I just wanted the world to crush in on me and never be conscience again. So I drove my car into a post that I knew would collapse the building on me.
Why?
B/c in one sentence, I realized that overwhelming truth that I HELPED him turn me into a “worth less than nothing” THING. I agreed and agreed to endure little things, b/c they weren’t worth ending a marriage over.
But eventually more things happened than I had time to recover from, things that crushed my sensibilities and in one moment of clarity, “what does that say about YOU!?!” he crowed, he said after telling me no one would care. Worth. Less. Than. Nothing. And I HELPED him make me so. He did it by mindfduking my sense of morality, it’s was a mind game for him. Strategy.
His special pleasure, to manipulate others to do his will and then when they realize they’ve been duped, show them how they did it to themselves while he skates off scotfree. I’d seen him to it to others, but I was his masterpiece b/c I had that moral code that pissed him off so much. (he thought my moral code implied I was better than others. I couldn’t get him to understand that what my moral code did for me was make me feel right with myself.) The shame of being the instrument of my own abuse made me want to die.
The barn post that everyone said would collapse didn’t. I could NOT find a reason to NOT die ….but for that one promise afterward to my daughter to never end it.
Dear KatyDid,
I’m glad that you were not able to “end it” and that you promised your daughter not to….suicide is so painful to those left behind that love us.
The Shame should be HIS not yours, but so many of us accept that shame as our own, when it should not be ours. I hope that you can put that shame and blame where it belongs, on HIS shoulders and not on yours…you did the best you could with what you had at the time you had it…we all did, but now we know better and we can do better, and part of it I think is to quit “feeling” the shame that should not have been ours in the first place.
If I kick my dog, even if it hunkers down and takes my beating and kicking, the SHAME for the beating and kicking should be MINE not the dogs, but that dog will accept the shame and blame for not deserving better, but we are smarter than the dog and able to reason better, so we CAN put the blame where it belongs and I hope you will be able to start working on that.
You did not deserve to be “beaten or kicked” and even if you hunkered down and took it, it still does not mean YOU should be ashamed—he is the bad actor, not you. ((((hugs)))) and God bless.
Hi You all,
Been gone awhile raising kids and treading water but still lurking quietly. I had to post after this great article since me and mine are in biweekly meetings in order to co parent. Unfortunatley the contradictory nature of his personality as Steve notes, is making that quite difficult… but it keeps us off the court dockets. It just causes me to leave meetings shaking my head.
He has picked up enough in these meetings to now want to agree (verbally) with all that I do as a parent so we are “on the same page” whereas he started out saying he would do things his way.
BUT he still sends messages through the kids, refuses to communicate with me, and follow court orders regarding financial expenses. He LOOKS really cooperative but When the constradictions are mentioned he puts the counsellor through some head games.
I am concerned that the counsellor is not catching on. This is tricky business so I keep quiet. It seems that theinterpretation of best interest of the children is for us to get along..or appear to no matter how devious he is being.
I dont want open conflict and so choose to avoid him as much as possible . We only email with him and I have strict no contact. But I know he is manipulating and undermining me covertly and overtly (by not providing information or using the kids as messengers) It is a tight rope for me and quite stressful at times.
I termed his behavior harrassment getting close to me and the counsellor indicated that I need to explore alternate reasons for what he had done…I know this man and his intimidation games and do not want him near me. All my friends and counsellor agreed with me . I worry now that this is turning on me.. .Comments anyone?
Dear Flowerpower,
Do you think it might help to print out the article Steve wrote on this, or a list of the ways a sociopath works to give to the counselor? I think this ARTICLE might be a good one to give to the counselor.
The “us appear to be cooperative” is so true—JUT THE APPEARANCE of “normal”—(head shaking here) I hope that he will lose interest in you and your kids sooner rather than later. Good luck and God bless ((((hugs)))
thanks Oxy. Losing interest is NOT what the counsellors want. That is not good for the children, it is said. The children have a better relationship with him now than they ever have but they dont see the real side.
I dont dare define him as a socio-I went there once and was told he isnt. He is narcissist by diagnosis with some other traits.
I do think the new DSM will give us something to talk about, but I see that the counsellor is now sympathetic maybe to his “illness” and wants me to take a different view.
Meanwhile, he told me he would kill me last year, he denies all wrong doing. The denial is what scares me….and now I am supposed to think getting near me in public when I am alone is “safe”…
BUT I will give the children the look of reduced conflict and of course I never bad mouth their Dad.
However he wants the PUBLIC appearance of being my friend and of being harmless. I tried this for awhile and got burned — it is like playing EMOTIONAL RUSSIAN ROULETTE. I cant handle the unpredictability and contradictory nature..it is the crazy making.
Dear Flowerpower,
I hear you, and I wish you could convince your counselor of what you are dealing with, but I do understand the concept of “illness” and how sympathetic you should be. PUKE MY GUTS OUT!!!!
I understand that YOU cannot want (openly) for him to lose interest in the kids, but MAYBE he will lose interest in them….let us hope and pray he does. Being with him is like your kids having a pet rattle snake! I wish the courts could see that having “two parents” when one of them is a psychopath is not in the best interest of the kids. God bless. Hang in there!