Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who we’ll call Carla:
Can you help me with co-parenting with a sociopath? Divorced three months ago, after a two-year fight for my rights. He is not complying as you know.
I am going crazy with the way he only shows his wonderful, smooth qualities to the children. I have three boys. I can’t stand sending them on weekends to a man who never calls them for two weeks and then lavishes them with charm and gifts. It makes me sick that I am struggling because he has not released even one of 26 accounts to me as decreed in the divorce settlement. He pays my bills and deducts them from the alimony. He follows the agreement under his own conditions and it confuses the attorneys. He won’t discuss the children with me or offer any assistance to them as a father. He is 100 percent focused on his new victim, his girlfriend, a new young, widow. Spending all the money he hid on her. But the kids have “buddy” to whisk them from one expensive activity to another while I am struggling to pay the bills.
I have greater anxiety now than when we were married. He openly emotionally abuses me. Before it was more covert and I got immune to the invalidation and blame. NOW I am discarded since I chose not to play by his rules of cheating, drugs, gambling, lying, withholding sex. He isn’t nice to me at all. Cruel. It was easier being married. He did all these things and he kept me blinded by being secretive and giving me a high-income surgeon’s wife lifestyle. I know the secrets now along with my attorney but he looks perfect in the community.
I miss the financial security and vacations. Now someone else shares those things with him and all I did was give him three beautiful children to brag about and add to his narcissism.
I say terrible things about him to the two older children, ages 6 and 13. I tell them how he is not following the agreement, lying and spending money on drugs and women.
Is so frustrating. I see what is real but no one else does. I am afraid my children are going to prefer him (and his girlfriend) because he is so charming and generous and I know he is pathological and I can’t give them the expensive gifts and ultra stimulating activities.
How do you deal with the frustration that you are the only person who knows someone is a sociopath? I had to live 15 years with him to figure it out and go through four therapists until the last one nailed him as anti-social/schizoid personality disordered. Then I validated her “diagnosis” with Lovefraud. He has all the signs with a very high IQ and status of a medical professional to hide behind. Will anyone else ever figure it out? I don’t believe that what comes around goes around when it comes to a sociopath as intellectually clever as my ex-husband. I do have a few very perspective people who picked up on it. I don’t think my kids will ever see it and I think he will destroy me even post-divorce. Why is he so relentless? He has his freedom and his money. Why not leave me alone? Is it because I get one-third of his income in alimony?
After the divorce
Probably the most shocking thing about divorcing a sociopath is that even when it’s over, it’s not over. The attorneys have argued, the court has ruled, this is how it’s going to be—and it’s not. The sociopath doesn’t comply, twists things the way he or she wants them, uses children against the other parent, and no one seems to care.
This leaves the non-sociopathic partner—like Carla—angry with the sociopath, frustrated that he’s getting away with his lies and manipulation, and upset that he won’t do what he’s supposed to do, baffled that no one else sees the truth—all while still mourning the life she thought she had. Carla wants her ex to pay her what he’s supposed to and be a dad to their children. He’s not doing either, so she wants other people to know that behind his charming, successful veneer, he’s vile.
It’s a toxic brew of emotions. But the emotions will never affect the sociopath. They will only affect Carla, and possibly her children.
It seems to me that Carla needs to be able to separate what’s going on into four categories: financial considerations, the children, dealing with the ex and her emotional recovery.
Financial considerations
First of all, Carla needs to get her financial situation straightened out. If her ex is supposed to give her 26 accounts, she needs to get that enforced—soon, before the accounts are empty. I hope her attorneys put a time limit on when these accounts are supposed to be turned over, and specified exactly how much money she is supposed to receive. If not, she is in trouble.
Carla cannot allow her ex-husband to pay her bills. By letting him do this, she is allowing him to control her. He is deducting the money from her alimony? He is probably exaggerating the amount of the bills just to pay her less. Plus, he may decide to stop paying the bills, and she would never know it—until the cable service or electric is turned off. Carla must demand that she receive the full alimony, then get her bills in her own name.
Carla did not mention a house and mortgage. If the sociopath’s name is on the house or mortgage, that is a disaster waiting to happen. He may stop paying the mortgage and allow the house to slip into foreclosure. He wouldn’t care, but Carla would have no place to live.
The children
Carla complained that her ex won’t discuss the children with her and won’t offer any assistance as a father. He doesn’t call them during the week and only wants to play with them on his weekends. I’d recommend that Carla use this to her advantage.
Here is the bottom line: Sociopaths are terrible parents. At best, they view children as prized possession. At worst, they actively try to corrupt the children. Therefore, the less interaction a sociopath has with his or her children, the better.
Carla should actually be grateful that her ex is staying out of their children’s lives as much as he is. She should use her time with the children to shower them with love, nurture them and provide them with healthy guidance. None of that will happen when the boys are with their father. The kids will eventually sense that there is no real bond with the father. As time goes on, they may also witness him moving from girlfriend to girlfriend, and eventually start rolling their eyes at yet another one.
Carla needs to be their rock of stability. She also needs to stop badmouthing the father—even if he deserves it. This is important for two reasons. First is the emotional health of the children—they should not feel in the middle of her issues with the ex. Second, she does not want to give her ex the ammunition to come after her with a parental alienation lawsuit, in which she could lose custody of the boys.
Her best plan of action is the stay neutral about the father. One mother’s standard response whenever her children brought home news of the ex was a noncommittal, “That’s nice.”
Kids are smart. Sooner or later, they will realize that the sociopath cares only about himself.
Dealing with the ex
Carla asks, “Why is he so relentless? Why not leave me alone?”
Divorcing a sociopath is not like divorcing a relatively healthy person that you’ve just grown away from. In a normal divorce, mommy and daddy don’t want to be together anymore, but they can cooperate for the sake of the kids. This is not going to happen with a sociopath.
Sociopaths only want three things: Power, control and sex. Carla and the surgeon have divorced, but that doesn’t mean he has given up his desire for power and control.
Carla says her ex-husband is openly abusing her. She must eliminate his opportunities to do this and go No Contact with this man as much as possible. I don’t know if she is allowing him into her home, but she shouldn’t. The child exchange should be arranged to minimize interaction. Any communications regarding the children should be conducted via e-mail. Phone conversations give him opportunities to abuse her.
The key is for Carla to be strictly business. She must recognize that the sociopath will not play nice. He will do everything possible to avoid paying her. He will continue to manipulate her through the children. She must learn not to react when he baits her. She must learn to be calm and collected, yet make him toe the line on his court-ordered obligations.
Emotional recovery
All of this is pretty raw for Carla right now—the divorce was only three months ago. She is outraged. She is frustrated. Carla misses the status, money, vacations and cozy lifestyle of a surgeon’s wife. She is justifiably angry that he cheated and hid money, and probably still reeling from being devalued and discarded.
Realizing that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath has probably rocked Carla to the core. Nothing was real. Everything was a lie. And plenty of people in the community still believe the lie. This is a massive shock, and it takes time to come to terms with the magnitude of the deception.
Recovery is a process, and there is a lot of information here on the Lovefraud blog that may help Carla:
- She must realize that the ex is a sociopath, and this is the way he lives his life. Nothing she did or didn’t do would make any difference.
- She must realize that she was targeted, probably because of her good qualities.
- She must allow herself to feel her anger, disappointment, grief and even hatred—and then let it all go.
This will take time, and will probably come in waves—a wave of emotion, followed by a wave of calm. Eventually the emotional periods will be shorter, the calm periods will be longer.
Carla is in for many years of aggravation with this man. She needs to get to a point of equanimity, where his antics no longer affect her. When she gets there, no matter what the guy does, Carla wins.
Carla,
What you said about imagining and overreacting by labeling him, is exactly what I do. I question myself even though my counselor and others see it clearly. What I have learned and I am still learning is to trust yourself and your intuition. I certainly didn’t do this when I was married (I wasn’t strong enough). Sociopathy is still very hard to get my whole head around…
Samantha,
My attorney said I couldn’t use any of his characteristics against him, which really was a blow to my defense, because he is a liar, cheater and thief. I hope you can in your case. I am starting to document more and to show that he cannot be the “primary parent.” For heaven’s sake, he can’t even take care of himself!
My ex S is remarried with a baby on the way. He is going through all of her money, remodeling his house for his expanding family and he doesn’t have a “documented” job. He is on top of the world with this “new shiny object.” The dynamics of the house will change, he’ll maybe get a job and get distracted with the next “new shiny object.” The chaos is unbelievable, but is very predictable and cyclical. He is the one that brings chaos in my life. My life is pretty calm…
My problem is that I am stick in anger–he can go on with life, a new wife, family, remodeled house and he gets away with it! He skates all of the time–getting away with all the lies and everything else that he does. He doesn’t deserve the good that life gives us. I know what comes around goes around, but what gives!? I work really hard to keep my kids healthy and happy and I work on myself alot. Does this make any sense? Sorry to ramble…
Happy Father’s Day to all of our dads here!
Ginger,
“Happy Father’s Day to all of our dads here!”
Thanks very much! 🙂
Ginger – It makes perfect sense. I have your same anger and frustration. I’ve been divorced for 4 years and have been working and putting myself through college and raising my 2 kids without any family around. He got married, bought a $750,000.00 home, an Expedition and a Cadillac. He is now filling bankruptcy for his business and I got a call from a creditor saying he owes $87,000 on ONE of his credit cards. He’s fighting for 1/2 custody so his child support will be reduced to $0.
He serves alcohol to his 17 year old stepson (in fact had a party with 100 teenagers and served alcohol), hasn’t paid child support in months, upgrades to 1st class on his flight to Cancun, doesn’t take our son to baseball practice (even though it’s in our decree) because he took him to a movie instead.
But, I let my son go hunting with my boyfriend and he’s flipping out. My son has a license and was perfectly safe. He had fun and there was nothing illegeal, but my ex is trashing me to the kids like nobody’s business….refusing to pay child support, and fighting for more custody. He doesn’t love them…they are posessions and tools to hurt me.
WHY WHY WHY can’t anyone in the legal system see this? WHY WHY WHY can’t his character stand for anything?
Now it’s my turn to appologize…..this whole thing sucks!
Ginger:
Regarding your attorney saying you couldn’t use his characteristics against him — I am surprised. If you had documented proof of his lying, cheating and thieving, this would, in my opinion, go to impeach his character. Do you have any police reports, letters or statements from people he has cheated or stolen from? Things that would back up your allegations is what I’m driving at.
Regarding his skating all the time — there is always a way for you to even the score. It does take patience and smarts. In my case, the first time I nailed him was for money he owed me. He thought he was going to skate. Of course, he forgot that he had asked me for legal help (on several occasions, actually) so I had his social security number. BOOM! I filed a 1099-C (Cancellation of Debt) on him. Now he has to pay the IRS since the money he scammed out of me is declared income to him.
My latest contribution to the betterment of society is sending all his default judgment creditors after him. Yup, they are all moving to garnish his wages. Too bad there’s a statutory limit on how much they can take in total. Rumor has it that S’s boss, having been served with several of these wage garnishments over the last couple of weeks, is starting to verify inventory. I suspect when he discovers what is missing, S will be facing felony charges. Yup, that’s me – I am but a humble servant of the Lord, doing HIS work on this planet.
Bottom line — once you get a little distance from your S, you will start to see where he is vulnerable, and then like a rattlesnake you can strike back. Personally, you mention that he doesn’t have a “documented” job. If his standard of living has been exceeding his “reported” income, perhaps he is committing tax fraud. As a taxpaying citizen I certainly wouldn’t be adverse to you reporting him to the authorities.
Matt…
Can it be considered “parental alienation” on my part if I am not forcing my 3 yr old to cll his father on fathers day? I uswd to encourage it up until recently as he makes promises and doesnt follow thru (and yes I have documented) it all….he doesnt even call him…havent heard from him in weeeks..when my son ASKED to call him about a truck he was supposed to send…we still do not have a date for custody but are going back to court in July for support which again still hasnt paid…want to protect my son…but also know..he loves him when he has seen him..but it only hurts as it is not consistent…I dont want to encourage as I feel he is the parent if he wants to call he would…whatever day it was…he is the adult…right????
Matt – I was a bit discouraged to read that Ginger says character doesn’t matter in custody….but you disagree? I hope you are right because I have a whole binder full of character issues with my ex. From faulty business management, to upgrading to first class when he owes me $2100, to serving alcohol to minors, to not being aware of my 12 year old sons whereabouts on vacation and my son getting served alcohol. Some of these are character traits and some are poor parenting.
My son has admitted the 2 alcohol issues to me, but he is smart and is afraid if he tells the truth, he will not see his dad anymore. I’ve reassured him that he still will, but I’m afraid he will lie.
MATT,
The NS has tricked me again. He has, to his credit, given me support regularly. Mostly cash. Sometimes a check. Now, I see that he set me up good. Over the last 8 weeks or so, he gave me checks. Then a week of cash , then a check.
Turns out he was setting me up – he skipped two weeks support a week apart and now claims he was only paying half the agreed upon amount. In other words, he gave me a check for $500.00 documenting he gave it to me but it was for 2 weeks – not one. Now, I don’t know how he expects to get away with this when he always gave the support to my son and he knows for sure what he handed me cause the little bugger counted and checked every week.
Problem is, now I am short for the mortgage next week and he is laughing. In fact, he took the kids car shopping yesterday. Today , of all days, the kids did not go with him.
He wanted to pick them up and drop them off at HIS CHOSEN TIMES – mand I wasn’t willing to play. Why should I compromise my weekend to bend to his needs – especially after this stunt.
No notice – no money
No notice – just expects me to run by his schedule and deal with it. I said I could not- had prior commitments so it would better if he didn’t come for the kids at all.
I fear the lawyer will be pissed at me and not understand the boundaries I amtrying to create.
I feel bad for my kids too today – but I just can’t allow him to walk all over me. I explained that to them and I hope they understand. I even had pictures of them to give to their dad for father;s day.
My intentions were good and it got all screwed up for all of us.
And now Wednesday is court -either off the calendars or divorce with no settlement.
$24,000.oo lawyer bill a year later and I have NOTHING in my corner – nothing!!!!
jillsmith, you wrote a post about worrying about still internalizing the sociopath’s comments about you, and it wrecking your self-esteem-. And there were some other surrounding posts about inability to feel loved, even though we may have people who are openly and believably expressing their love for us.
This may sound weird, but if we trust ourselves, trust the wisdom of our healing processes, it may be the right time for us to take a complete break from these ideas. The idea of being fabulous in any way. And the idea of being loved.
Not because we don’t want to be fabulous or loved, but because those are ideas with a lot of complex attachments. And we may be processing some of those attachments.
I can relate to this because, for me, being loved wasn’t just about getting the kind of validation, support and someone “having my back” that was important to me. It was also about giving someone a great deal of room in my life. Not just sharing the closets, but having something to say about how I dressed, what I cooked, my friends, my hobbies, the way I used my time.
I mean, what do you think? Do you think I’d be working on a book on recovery on LoveFraud if there was another man in my life? Maybe today I could pull that off and just tell the guy he came in second after my work for money and my book, and oh yeah, probably my son was going to be taking some of my attention too. Maybe this would work with an equally busy and committed guy whose free time miraculously coincided with mine. But otherwise, I don’t see it happening.
As far as being fabulous goes, I needed to unscrew my head from the version of fabulous promoted by this 20-years-younger-than-me seriously cool guy. I mean it. He had cool down pat. And in some ways, cosmetic ways, I became much cooler when I was with him.
But, you know, it was shallow. And though it was sort of fun being cool in an East Village sort of way, I ultimately don’t care. It took me a couple of years to sort that out. I have my own conservative post-hippie style that I’ve been doing all my life. My best feature isn’t my body anymore. It’s my intelligence and my character. I’m not competing with movie stars. If I’m competing with anyone, it’s people who know more about healing and personal development than I ever will, and they basically keep me honest. So why am I worrying about this stuff?
People will like me or they won’t. People will agree with me or they won’t. People will want to spend more time with me or they won’t. But I figure my best shot at finding relationships with people who appreciate me is just starting with appreciating myself. And enjoying other people without worrying what I get back from simple enjoyment. (Investments are different. If I have to listen to their problems, invest in their success, or have to spend a lot of time seeing the world through their eyes, I want $100 an hour or something equally useful to me.)
How long did it take me to get to that? It took until the day, I said “Oh shut up” to all the noise in my head and discovered that there was a me underneath all that crap that was happy, inquisitive, objective and dedicated to a lot of wonderful ideas that made me feel really proud and loving toward me.
I think it took a while before it occurred to me to do that. I had to get a little braver about standing up to all those so-called authorities in my head and a little more tired of the pointless noise. They’re still nattering in there, which means that if some outside person shows up and starts telling me that I’m fat, stupid or unproductive, there are inevitably going to be one or two voices in my head that are going to say, “See! He agrees with us!”
But I think I’m finally getting the hang of distinguishing between what is helpful and what is not.
Kathy
Kathy,
Your post is very useful to me. You have offered me a lot of things to ponder. Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m trying so hard to grow and move past this and have have just felt so stuck. I appreciate people like you who help those of us like me get see how to get over some of the hurdles. I really like what you said about just saying, “Oh shut up” to all of the noise in your head. I’ve recently resorted to this with my insomnia. My therapist helped me come up with it and it helps a little when I can’t sleep. I should apply it to everything that drags me down during the day too. Brilliant, Kathy! 🙂
Trust is the topic of my new article. It’s just posted.
Thanks, Jill. I’m glad it made sense. It was very cool to see how the noisemakers just sort of retreated from center stage. I didn’t really expect it, thought they’d just ignore me.
Just goes to show something. That we’re in charge and they’re not? That sounds so odd, doesn’t it?
Anyway, good night Jill and everyone. I hope you have a great week.