Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who we’ll call Carla:
Can you help me with co-parenting with a sociopath? Divorced three months ago, after a two-year fight for my rights. He is not complying as you know.
I am going crazy with the way he only shows his wonderful, smooth qualities to the children. I have three boys. I can’t stand sending them on weekends to a man who never calls them for two weeks and then lavishes them with charm and gifts. It makes me sick that I am struggling because he has not released even one of 26 accounts to me as decreed in the divorce settlement. He pays my bills and deducts them from the alimony. He follows the agreement under his own conditions and it confuses the attorneys. He won’t discuss the children with me or offer any assistance to them as a father. He is 100 percent focused on his new victim, his girlfriend, a new young, widow. Spending all the money he hid on her. But the kids have “buddy” to whisk them from one expensive activity to another while I am struggling to pay the bills.
I have greater anxiety now than when we were married. He openly emotionally abuses me. Before it was more covert and I got immune to the invalidation and blame. NOW I am discarded since I chose not to play by his rules of cheating, drugs, gambling, lying, withholding sex. He isn’t nice to me at all. Cruel. It was easier being married. He did all these things and he kept me blinded by being secretive and giving me a high-income surgeon’s wife lifestyle. I know the secrets now along with my attorney but he looks perfect in the community.
I miss the financial security and vacations. Now someone else shares those things with him and all I did was give him three beautiful children to brag about and add to his narcissism.
I say terrible things about him to the two older children, ages 6 and 13. I tell them how he is not following the agreement, lying and spending money on drugs and women.
Is so frustrating. I see what is real but no one else does. I am afraid my children are going to prefer him (and his girlfriend) because he is so charming and generous and I know he is pathological and I can’t give them the expensive gifts and ultra stimulating activities.
How do you deal with the frustration that you are the only person who knows someone is a sociopath? I had to live 15 years with him to figure it out and go through four therapists until the last one nailed him as anti-social/schizoid personality disordered. Then I validated her “diagnosis” with Lovefraud. He has all the signs with a very high IQ and status of a medical professional to hide behind. Will anyone else ever figure it out? I don’t believe that what comes around goes around when it comes to a sociopath as intellectually clever as my ex-husband. I do have a few very perspective people who picked up on it. I don’t think my kids will ever see it and I think he will destroy me even post-divorce. Why is he so relentless? He has his freedom and his money. Why not leave me alone? Is it because I get one-third of his income in alimony?
After the divorce
Probably the most shocking thing about divorcing a sociopath is that even when it’s over, it’s not over. The attorneys have argued, the court has ruled, this is how it’s going to be—and it’s not. The sociopath doesn’t comply, twists things the way he or she wants them, uses children against the other parent, and no one seems to care.
This leaves the non-sociopathic partner—like Carla—angry with the sociopath, frustrated that he’s getting away with his lies and manipulation, and upset that he won’t do what he’s supposed to do, baffled that no one else sees the truth—all while still mourning the life she thought she had. Carla wants her ex to pay her what he’s supposed to and be a dad to their children. He’s not doing either, so she wants other people to know that behind his charming, successful veneer, he’s vile.
It’s a toxic brew of emotions. But the emotions will never affect the sociopath. They will only affect Carla, and possibly her children.
It seems to me that Carla needs to be able to separate what’s going on into four categories: financial considerations, the children, dealing with the ex and her emotional recovery.
Financial considerations
First of all, Carla needs to get her financial situation straightened out. If her ex is supposed to give her 26 accounts, she needs to get that enforced—soon, before the accounts are empty. I hope her attorneys put a time limit on when these accounts are supposed to be turned over, and specified exactly how much money she is supposed to receive. If not, she is in trouble.
Carla cannot allow her ex-husband to pay her bills. By letting him do this, she is allowing him to control her. He is deducting the money from her alimony? He is probably exaggerating the amount of the bills just to pay her less. Plus, he may decide to stop paying the bills, and she would never know it—until the cable service or electric is turned off. Carla must demand that she receive the full alimony, then get her bills in her own name.
Carla did not mention a house and mortgage. If the sociopath’s name is on the house or mortgage, that is a disaster waiting to happen. He may stop paying the mortgage and allow the house to slip into foreclosure. He wouldn’t care, but Carla would have no place to live.
The children
Carla complained that her ex won’t discuss the children with her and won’t offer any assistance as a father. He doesn’t call them during the week and only wants to play with them on his weekends. I’d recommend that Carla use this to her advantage.
Here is the bottom line: Sociopaths are terrible parents. At best, they view children as prized possession. At worst, they actively try to corrupt the children. Therefore, the less interaction a sociopath has with his or her children, the better.
Carla should actually be grateful that her ex is staying out of their children’s lives as much as he is. She should use her time with the children to shower them with love, nurture them and provide them with healthy guidance. None of that will happen when the boys are with their father. The kids will eventually sense that there is no real bond with the father. As time goes on, they may also witness him moving from girlfriend to girlfriend, and eventually start rolling their eyes at yet another one.
Carla needs to be their rock of stability. She also needs to stop badmouthing the father—even if he deserves it. This is important for two reasons. First is the emotional health of the children—they should not feel in the middle of her issues with the ex. Second, she does not want to give her ex the ammunition to come after her with a parental alienation lawsuit, in which she could lose custody of the boys.
Her best plan of action is the stay neutral about the father. One mother’s standard response whenever her children brought home news of the ex was a noncommittal, “That’s nice.”
Kids are smart. Sooner or later, they will realize that the sociopath cares only about himself.
Dealing with the ex
Carla asks, “Why is he so relentless? Why not leave me alone?”
Divorcing a sociopath is not like divorcing a relatively healthy person that you’ve just grown away from. In a normal divorce, mommy and daddy don’t want to be together anymore, but they can cooperate for the sake of the kids. This is not going to happen with a sociopath.
Sociopaths only want three things: Power, control and sex. Carla and the surgeon have divorced, but that doesn’t mean he has given up his desire for power and control.
Carla says her ex-husband is openly abusing her. She must eliminate his opportunities to do this and go No Contact with this man as much as possible. I don’t know if she is allowing him into her home, but she shouldn’t. The child exchange should be arranged to minimize interaction. Any communications regarding the children should be conducted via e-mail. Phone conversations give him opportunities to abuse her.
The key is for Carla to be strictly business. She must recognize that the sociopath will not play nice. He will do everything possible to avoid paying her. He will continue to manipulate her through the children. She must learn not to react when he baits her. She must learn to be calm and collected, yet make him toe the line on his court-ordered obligations.
Emotional recovery
All of this is pretty raw for Carla right now—the divorce was only three months ago. She is outraged. She is frustrated. Carla misses the status, money, vacations and cozy lifestyle of a surgeon’s wife. She is justifiably angry that he cheated and hid money, and probably still reeling from being devalued and discarded.
Realizing that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath has probably rocked Carla to the core. Nothing was real. Everything was a lie. And plenty of people in the community still believe the lie. This is a massive shock, and it takes time to come to terms with the magnitude of the deception.
Recovery is a process, and there is a lot of information here on the Lovefraud blog that may help Carla:
- She must realize that the ex is a sociopath, and this is the way he lives his life. Nothing she did or didn’t do would make any difference.
- She must realize that she was targeted, probably because of her good qualities.
- She must allow herself to feel her anger, disappointment, grief and even hatred—and then let it all go.
This will take time, and will probably come in waves—a wave of emotion, followed by a wave of calm. Eventually the emotional periods will be shorter, the calm periods will be longer.
Carla is in for many years of aggravation with this man. She needs to get to a point of equanimity, where his antics no longer affect her. When she gets there, no matter what the guy does, Carla wins.
Well in my experience the court does not care about character when it comes to visitation. We had to go to mediation and my husband lied and I just gave up. I don’t know where he lives, who he lives with, etc. So I just agreed because of the expenses and he is just so good in court with his lies. But he only gets her once a week instead of every other weekend so I am fine. The order says he is supposed to have overnights when she turns 5 but not if I don’t know where he is living and who he is living with. I think that is crazy.
I have been trying to get divorced from him for 2 years and I have spent over 14,000. It is all about him. He is prolonging everything. We have reached a settlement and he has agreed to give me 7,000 back in fees. I have no energy to keep fighting him because I think he should pay everything but I have talked to other women and they did not get any money back from their ex so I am satisfied with that.
I wonder if my husband is celebrating father’s day with his mistress, their son and all of her kids. He has no right to celebrate. How can you celebrate when you treat your own child with disrespect? There is no way I would give him anything for father’s day. He pays child support but he doesn’t help me care for our child at all. She sees him once a week and then out of sight, out of mind.
Nic, what state do you live in, may I ask?
Mediation is out for us, I found local court SW to be very understanding. Once I presented my case, she herself said: there won’t be a mediation. There is no purpose to mediate with a pathological lier. but, I hear that courts are becoming more and more “pro-fathers” and I am not liking this a bit.
MATT, 1099 C can be filed with no signature from the X? can it be filed in the absence of a promissory note?
IF so, can it be filed a year or two after he’d used up my resources?
nic,
Going to court with someone that suffer from a PD is very much like what we experienced when we lived with them. After these legal battles we might find ourselves feeling “drained” emotionally.
Also many times during this legal battle we may experience emotional triggers, which is something again that may leave us feeling confused with negative thoughts/feeling that we might need to deal with later. Again much like we felt during our relationship with them.
For me personally the only two reasons I would feel the great need to go to court with a PD is one, getting my divorce and two custody issues. And other side of this issue if and when they would take me court something I would welcome. Why? Well that’s another entry.
I have as yet never been to court with my ex s/p. Please allow me to repeat that “as yet” but do foresee it in the future.
I only wish I could give you some advise on this (court and the s/p) but lacking any real life experience I can’t. I do feel for you because I know what it’s like to live with one.
Nic, I was married only once and when my ex wife (and only wife) and I divorced, we sat down talked about it before seeking a lawyer. Went to his office and we all talk over how we wanted to go about the divorce finance credit cards and any other legal obligation (we did have to return back a second time to sigh all the paperwork so in all we only saw this lawyer three times) during these processing. The lawyer advised us what the law mandated in that state and decided the correct course of action. There was little disagreement between my ex wife and I. The divorce processing and lawyer fees was minimal as we both agree too. After this conference with our lawyer (now her lawyer, for I opt not to have a lawyer present me in the processing) we went home and cried. We embrace together and wept together.
We did the best we could to save this marriage but both of us knew it was never going to work…
Why am I telling you all this?
You see nic, like my marriage to my wife we could at time come to some type of agreement. We could at time meet each other half way. We never hated each other but there we plenty of time we didn’t like each other and (personally speaking) at times I didn’t like me.
But like our marriage there was an understanding of mutuality co-creation and personal power. We were join in marriage but accepted and understood our own autonomy. We respected each other. And I like to believe we both at one time loved each other dearly.
But people who suffer from this disorder don’t have these qualities i.e. characteristics. That is why the courtroom become a battle ground much like the one we had during our relationship with them…
I hope this entry help you to understand the different whenever to go to court with someone we always like and respected but none of this compares to someone we really didn’t really know.
nic, you are in my prays and hope you will stay strong.
nic, sorry for the typo’s but I got a little emotional when writing it.. sorry..
James: I smiled while I read about the respect you and your wife had for each other. I wish there was that respect between my husband and me. He left me with nothing and didn’t really come around for a year. I never knew someone could treat someone the way my husband treated me. It felt like he hated me. But through reading on this site and others I know it isn’t personal. He is seriously disturbed. Thank you for keeping me in your prayers.
Katya, I am in Illinois. The mediator we had was horrible. When I tried to tell her about my husband she looked at me like I was crazy and he was denying everything. I started to write a letter to her boss. It was that bad. But the only other option would have been to fight it out in court and I didn’t want to spend anymore money on his lies. I have heard that the only way they will do supervised, etc. is if the father has been convicted of a crime. My husband got away with 2 DUI’s through technicalities and good lawyers. But like I said I am fortunate that he only gets her one day a week. Good luck with your case.
Nic,
I had to respond to this today. I went through mediation last November and it was extremely difficult and unsuccessful. The mediator did NOT want to hear of his behaviors even concerning the children, she did not want to hear the counselor’s assessment of a severe Narcissistic disorder, she did not care he was hardly a present father physically. She ended the session because she labeled me too angry to take part in arbitration.
I swear, he was so cool, calm – almost flirtatious with her. And she seemed to fall for the charm. Did not call him to task on anything. You can read my post above to see my current status.
I understand totally what you are going through. It is not any different here in New Jersey.
I forgot to add I DID write a letter to her supervisor and it went nowhere. The mediator herself responded to my letter saying she was a professional and entitled to end mediation at her discretion.
It is so unnerving and unbelieveable to see how ineffective and unfeeling the court system really is.
They don’t care about affairs, financial deceit, build up of debt premeditated, setting the wife up to fail in the future, dissipation of marital assets – they don’t want to hear any of it.
And now, when I do have leverage of tax fraud – the lawyer wants to avoid that topic because he is afraid I will get dragged into it along with any assets we do have left being frozen or taken.
I see no light at the end of the tunnel.
TO EVERYONE:
I have always been a believer in God and his protection over us, but must admit that it’s really hard in times like these and with people like these. But, I just pulled out my bible (1st time in a long time) and opened up to Psalm 37. It’s about what God will do to the wicked if we just trust and remain calm and let go of anger.
I pray for all of us.
Newlife: I am so sorry we both have to go through this. You are right. They don’t care about affairs, dissipation, etc. I have a judge who doesn’t care about any of my husband’s behaviors. I think I have a good case for dissipation but my lawyer said it would be very costly. But he has seriously dissipated assets: caring for their child together and her other 3 kids, buying a new lexus 2 months after he left, vacationing, etc., etc.
But I have prayed about it and I have to end it. I let him come up with the changes to the settlement and I just went along with it. It has been 2 very long years of this and I am just done. He will continue on with his cheating, lying ways with the new woman. He cares nothing about finances so I hope she knows what she is getting into. He makes a very nice 6 figure salary but he already has 2 separate orders of child support (mine and his oldest), he owes over 100,000 in school loans, has credit card debt, the 40,000 lexus and it keeps going on and on. Me: I have no credit card debt and I paid my school loans, I will be done paying my car in 2010 and I have a home. So she can have him!!!!!!! When I went to therapy 2 years ago the therapist said the woman who ends up with him make think she is the winner but she is actually the “loser”. I totally agree with that.
Good luck with your case. We have court on 7/14. I am hoping he doesn’t change his mind about anything. There will be light at the end it just make take forever to see it. Seriously hang in there.
Samantha: I believe in God but it took my husband leaving me for me to start going back to Church and reading the Bible. There are some excellent verses in Psalms and Proverbs about adultery and the evil/wicked. God knows and sees all.