Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who we’ll call Carla:
Can you help me with co-parenting with a sociopath? Divorced three months ago, after a two-year fight for my rights. He is not complying as you know.
I am going crazy with the way he only shows his wonderful, smooth qualities to the children. I have three boys. I can’t stand sending them on weekends to a man who never calls them for two weeks and then lavishes them with charm and gifts. It makes me sick that I am struggling because he has not released even one of 26 accounts to me as decreed in the divorce settlement. He pays my bills and deducts them from the alimony. He follows the agreement under his own conditions and it confuses the attorneys. He won’t discuss the children with me or offer any assistance to them as a father. He is 100 percent focused on his new victim, his girlfriend, a new young, widow. Spending all the money he hid on her. But the kids have “buddy” to whisk them from one expensive activity to another while I am struggling to pay the bills.
I have greater anxiety now than when we were married. He openly emotionally abuses me. Before it was more covert and I got immune to the invalidation and blame. NOW I am discarded since I chose not to play by his rules of cheating, drugs, gambling, lying, withholding sex. He isn’t nice to me at all. Cruel. It was easier being married. He did all these things and he kept me blinded by being secretive and giving me a high-income surgeon’s wife lifestyle. I know the secrets now along with my attorney but he looks perfect in the community.
I miss the financial security and vacations. Now someone else shares those things with him and all I did was give him three beautiful children to brag about and add to his narcissism.
I say terrible things about him to the two older children, ages 6 and 13. I tell them how he is not following the agreement, lying and spending money on drugs and women.
Is so frustrating. I see what is real but no one else does. I am afraid my children are going to prefer him (and his girlfriend) because he is so charming and generous and I know he is pathological and I can’t give them the expensive gifts and ultra stimulating activities.
How do you deal with the frustration that you are the only person who knows someone is a sociopath? I had to live 15 years with him to figure it out and go through four therapists until the last one nailed him as anti-social/schizoid personality disordered. Then I validated her “diagnosis” with Lovefraud. He has all the signs with a very high IQ and status of a medical professional to hide behind. Will anyone else ever figure it out? I don’t believe that what comes around goes around when it comes to a sociopath as intellectually clever as my ex-husband. I do have a few very perspective people who picked up on it. I don’t think my kids will ever see it and I think he will destroy me even post-divorce. Why is he so relentless? He has his freedom and his money. Why not leave me alone? Is it because I get one-third of his income in alimony?
After the divorce
Probably the most shocking thing about divorcing a sociopath is that even when it’s over, it’s not over. The attorneys have argued, the court has ruled, this is how it’s going to be—and it’s not. The sociopath doesn’t comply, twists things the way he or she wants them, uses children against the other parent, and no one seems to care.
This leaves the non-sociopathic partner—like Carla—angry with the sociopath, frustrated that he’s getting away with his lies and manipulation, and upset that he won’t do what he’s supposed to do, baffled that no one else sees the truth—all while still mourning the life she thought she had. Carla wants her ex to pay her what he’s supposed to and be a dad to their children. He’s not doing either, so she wants other people to know that behind his charming, successful veneer, he’s vile.
It’s a toxic brew of emotions. But the emotions will never affect the sociopath. They will only affect Carla, and possibly her children.
It seems to me that Carla needs to be able to separate what’s going on into four categories: financial considerations, the children, dealing with the ex and her emotional recovery.
Financial considerations
First of all, Carla needs to get her financial situation straightened out. If her ex is supposed to give her 26 accounts, she needs to get that enforced—soon, before the accounts are empty. I hope her attorneys put a time limit on when these accounts are supposed to be turned over, and specified exactly how much money she is supposed to receive. If not, she is in trouble.
Carla cannot allow her ex-husband to pay her bills. By letting him do this, she is allowing him to control her. He is deducting the money from her alimony? He is probably exaggerating the amount of the bills just to pay her less. Plus, he may decide to stop paying the bills, and she would never know it—until the cable service or electric is turned off. Carla must demand that she receive the full alimony, then get her bills in her own name.
Carla did not mention a house and mortgage. If the sociopath’s name is on the house or mortgage, that is a disaster waiting to happen. He may stop paying the mortgage and allow the house to slip into foreclosure. He wouldn’t care, but Carla would have no place to live.
The children
Carla complained that her ex won’t discuss the children with her and won’t offer any assistance as a father. He doesn’t call them during the week and only wants to play with them on his weekends. I’d recommend that Carla use this to her advantage.
Here is the bottom line: Sociopaths are terrible parents. At best, they view children as prized possession. At worst, they actively try to corrupt the children. Therefore, the less interaction a sociopath has with his or her children, the better.
Carla should actually be grateful that her ex is staying out of their children’s lives as much as he is. She should use her time with the children to shower them with love, nurture them and provide them with healthy guidance. None of that will happen when the boys are with their father. The kids will eventually sense that there is no real bond with the father. As time goes on, they may also witness him moving from girlfriend to girlfriend, and eventually start rolling their eyes at yet another one.
Carla needs to be their rock of stability. She also needs to stop badmouthing the father—even if he deserves it. This is important for two reasons. First is the emotional health of the children—they should not feel in the middle of her issues with the ex. Second, she does not want to give her ex the ammunition to come after her with a parental alienation lawsuit, in which she could lose custody of the boys.
Her best plan of action is the stay neutral about the father. One mother’s standard response whenever her children brought home news of the ex was a noncommittal, “That’s nice.”
Kids are smart. Sooner or later, they will realize that the sociopath cares only about himself.
Dealing with the ex
Carla asks, “Why is he so relentless? Why not leave me alone?”
Divorcing a sociopath is not like divorcing a relatively healthy person that you’ve just grown away from. In a normal divorce, mommy and daddy don’t want to be together anymore, but they can cooperate for the sake of the kids. This is not going to happen with a sociopath.
Sociopaths only want three things: Power, control and sex. Carla and the surgeon have divorced, but that doesn’t mean he has given up his desire for power and control.
Carla says her ex-husband is openly abusing her. She must eliminate his opportunities to do this and go No Contact with this man as much as possible. I don’t know if she is allowing him into her home, but she shouldn’t. The child exchange should be arranged to minimize interaction. Any communications regarding the children should be conducted via e-mail. Phone conversations give him opportunities to abuse her.
The key is for Carla to be strictly business. She must recognize that the sociopath will not play nice. He will do everything possible to avoid paying her. He will continue to manipulate her through the children. She must learn not to react when he baits her. She must learn to be calm and collected, yet make him toe the line on his court-ordered obligations.
Emotional recovery
All of this is pretty raw for Carla right now—the divorce was only three months ago. She is outraged. She is frustrated. Carla misses the status, money, vacations and cozy lifestyle of a surgeon’s wife. She is justifiably angry that he cheated and hid money, and probably still reeling from being devalued and discarded.
Realizing that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath has probably rocked Carla to the core. Nothing was real. Everything was a lie. And plenty of people in the community still believe the lie. This is a massive shock, and it takes time to come to terms with the magnitude of the deception.
Recovery is a process, and there is a lot of information here on the Lovefraud blog that may help Carla:
- She must realize that the ex is a sociopath, and this is the way he lives his life. Nothing she did or didn’t do would make any difference.
- She must realize that she was targeted, probably because of her good qualities.
- She must allow herself to feel her anger, disappointment, grief and even hatred—and then let it all go.
This will take time, and will probably come in waves—a wave of emotion, followed by a wave of calm. Eventually the emotional periods will be shorter, the calm periods will be longer.
Carla is in for many years of aggravation with this man. She needs to get to a point of equanimity, where his antics no longer affect her. When she gets there, no matter what the guy does, Carla wins.
endthepain:
Ginger beat me to the punch, but take a page from her book. Although he may get a reduction on support being unemployed, since he is getting unemployment, you should be able to get a court order which would then garnish the portion of his unemployment so you will be able to get the money directly. I’d give the AZ labor department a holler and ask them what the procedures are on this. Most states do have procedures for this.
Ginger:
You see what you’re up against. However, my advice to you is to hold him to the literal letter of the visitation agreement. No trade-offs on dates. He must pick up and drop off the kids at the stated time. No exceptions (and I’d pile the kids in the car and leave 1 second after the assigned pick-up time). If he doesn’t comply, you will notify the family court. Any requests for variations must be made in writing, sent certified mail, to you. Where I am going with this is NO WIGGLE ROOM.
Yup. You’re right. It is all about you. And it is about time.
Thanks…do I have anything to fight back with in the sense that he left his job voluntarily…and now is collecting unemployment?? when he left he had no job lined up..altho he lied to me and said he did….
endthepain:
The fact that he “voluntarily” impoverished himself is definitely something that could be brought up in court. How the hell did he ever manage to collect unemployment since he “voluntarily” left his job? The problem, as you can imagine, at this moment, is that the economy is so bad, he may very well argue that he would have lost his job anyhow.
Rather than focusing on that fact, I think what you need to do is monitor his present cirumstances constantly so when they improve — and they no doubt will — you can pounce and haul him back into court. If he remarries, that is considered a positive change in circumstances.
Many a second wife has had the sad experience of learning that her wages are now going to support his kids and ex-wife. If he gets a new job — and he will have to once the unemployment gives out — again, you pounce. And you always document via email, certified mail, whatever, everytime he doesn’t pay or the payment is short.
What I would also look into, in addition to whether you can garnish his AZ unemployment directly, is whether your state has a mechanism in place like Ginger’s does — where even if he is unemployed he has to pay the state-appointed middleman and if he falls behind 4 months — bingo.
Matt..THANK GOD..I never married him..I wised up and he went back to the ex and stopped their divorce…so I wnot have to worry about paying for HIM and any wife or any other kids..LOL
Yes..CA agency is looking into that as they have to go thru Interstate..regardless he is collecting it and not sending anything….
I think unemployment will catch up to him eventually..as when I called they did tell me (at his work) he left stating he was moving to calif. Now the question remains…what responsible individual…walks out of a paying job..leaves his family behind….to move to another state with out a job???? Then moves back to that same state within 4 months and collects unemployment since they didnt have his position anymore…he told unemployment he was terminated. I have given the state of ca as much info as I can as they have to get The VOE which states he voluntairly left….
and again…there wasnt a custody or vistiation order in place when he came to calif….he spent time with his son…as he hadnt seen him since he was born…after he was here a month I had to pull him out of day care as I couldnt afford it any longer since he stopped working and the garnishments stopped…so now,,he wants parenting time “credit” AND credit for him not being in day care…completely insane!!
Also..if I have proof that he is getting not only un employment but money from others to help him thru these past months wil that court except that as income,as well?
Yes..everyhting has been in written form…via emails ..no contact directly with him
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MATT,
I am so glad you are back and posting. I have been wanting to humbly ask you to allow me the advantage of your knowledge and brain. If all I can rely on is an admission of criminal activity and hints of possible criminality, at what point do the authorities become interested and do not perceive one as a jealous ex? I feel that lack of hard evidence would hinder my case, unless I had authorities look into certain activities, but don’t know if it will hurt my custody case. Please, share your thoughts. The more I seek, the more questions I seem to come up with and the more lies I seem to discover.
Thanks for your replies Ginger and Jim. The bottom line I guess I am hearing is that the visitation/”parenting time” doesn’t get any better. That parenting time is funny because my husband doesn’t know how to parent. My guess is that my daughter runs around with his son and the woman’s 3 kids while he watches tv. No learning going on whatsoever. He never has to read to her, teach her the alphabets, numbers, etc. because that is what a parent would do and that he is not. Have a good weekend everyone.
nic….sorry to give the impression “parenting time” doesn’t get “better”. What got better for me was learning, realizing what I was dealing with, and finding my level of comfort in what I choose to deal with. For me, life gets better every day as I change…I don’t expect the ex to. She is what she is.
One clause in my divorce decree is a favorite: “24. A modification or waiver of any of the provisions of this Agreement shall be effective only if made in writing, executed in the same formality as this agreement and approved by the Court. Failure of either party to insist upon strict performance of any of the provisions of this agreement shall not be construed as a waiver of any subsequent default of the same or similar nature.”
So, even if I can’t get her to follow the rules, the boundaries are still laid out if I choose to ask the court to order her to follow them to the letter…if and when I choose to return to court.
Oh, by the way, the ex phoned my daughter just before 8 pm tonight, the time I am to return my daughter to mom’s…won’t be back home until 9 pm or so…LOL…predictable…and I spend an extra hour with my daughter.
Life has its rewards.
nic…do what works for you, and your child. Don’t expect the soon-to-be ex to change…he’ll always disappoint. Protect yourself as best you can.
What confuses me and frustrates even more is how I hear so many posters with children tell us how they take their ex’s to court, which in it’s self is hard enough and then get child support agreements and custody agreements only to have them violated them again and again by their ex’s.
“Statements like “*he pick up them up late or not at all.”.
“He gets them on Saturday but tries changing it to Sunday before he doesn’t have time for his child, spending all this time now with his new wife/family.”
“She is three months behind and I am struggling to pay the bills.”
“ In the custody agreement he agree to pick them up at such such time but never does.”
“Well, I have to take him back to court because he own me $_______”
“Well he is trying to get his child support lower because he working for McDonald’s but has a Ph.D in _________ “
And many more infractions and/or violation of the court agreements.
What good is it? When one is lead to believe that with court agreements and paperwork in hand now things will go back to some kind of normalize. How it was so hard living with them only to found out now how really hard it’s too collect child support and enforce these judgments and agreements.
My ex s/p was court ordered when she divorce her first husband to pay child support maintain full time employment pay for the medical cost of her children and have a life insurance in place for said children. (Both children were in their tenders years and got only supervised visitation rights)
None which she did. And in fact her ex husband (please don’t ask me why, I don’t know why he waited so long) took her back to court after both children were 18 and older for back child support only to lose his case because he waited so long. So in the end my ex did nothing she was court ordered to do and never had to pay a penny in child support. She walk away from any responsible again.
What good are these judgments and court ordered agreements other then to take them back to court again again and again and/or report them to other agencies in an attempt to enforce and collect monies? God what is wrong with this picture?
My heart goes out to each and everyone that had a child with these losers/dead best parent(s). I know I love my children dearly but wish we never had children together. God what am I saying, I wish I never met her at all! They walk away or are asked to leave after having all these children with them and when we try to follow the laws court processing and get support for “their” own children, they turn around and say “what me paid, are you kidding???”…
No wonder they are so arrogant and stuffed with self-righteous pride when they know nothing will happen to them. And if things get too hot for them, they just ran to another state.
I know the laws are changing with parents that violate these court orders but I only wish judges would come down even harder on these dead beat parents!
How many lawyers walk out of court with their clients with sad and sympathetic eyes know full well an injustice was done that day and done to a child?
This is one reason I never gave much thought to taking my ex to court asking myself these very question.
What good is it?
Sorry for the long bit@H session but this really ticks me off!
*He and She is interchangeable.