Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who we’ll call Carla:
Can you help me with co-parenting with a sociopath? Divorced three months ago, after a two-year fight for my rights. He is not complying as you know.
I am going crazy with the way he only shows his wonderful, smooth qualities to the children. I have three boys. I can’t stand sending them on weekends to a man who never calls them for two weeks and then lavishes them with charm and gifts. It makes me sick that I am struggling because he has not released even one of 26 accounts to me as decreed in the divorce settlement. He pays my bills and deducts them from the alimony. He follows the agreement under his own conditions and it confuses the attorneys. He won’t discuss the children with me or offer any assistance to them as a father. He is 100 percent focused on his new victim, his girlfriend, a new young, widow. Spending all the money he hid on her. But the kids have “buddy” to whisk them from one expensive activity to another while I am struggling to pay the bills.
I have greater anxiety now than when we were married. He openly emotionally abuses me. Before it was more covert and I got immune to the invalidation and blame. NOW I am discarded since I chose not to play by his rules of cheating, drugs, gambling, lying, withholding sex. He isn’t nice to me at all. Cruel. It was easier being married. He did all these things and he kept me blinded by being secretive and giving me a high-income surgeon’s wife lifestyle. I know the secrets now along with my attorney but he looks perfect in the community.
I miss the financial security and vacations. Now someone else shares those things with him and all I did was give him three beautiful children to brag about and add to his narcissism.
I say terrible things about him to the two older children, ages 6 and 13. I tell them how he is not following the agreement, lying and spending money on drugs and women.
Is so frustrating. I see what is real but no one else does. I am afraid my children are going to prefer him (and his girlfriend) because he is so charming and generous and I know he is pathological and I can’t give them the expensive gifts and ultra stimulating activities.
How do you deal with the frustration that you are the only person who knows someone is a sociopath? I had to live 15 years with him to figure it out and go through four therapists until the last one nailed him as anti-social/schizoid personality disordered. Then I validated her “diagnosis” with Lovefraud. He has all the signs with a very high IQ and status of a medical professional to hide behind. Will anyone else ever figure it out? I don’t believe that what comes around goes around when it comes to a sociopath as intellectually clever as my ex-husband. I do have a few very perspective people who picked up on it. I don’t think my kids will ever see it and I think he will destroy me even post-divorce. Why is he so relentless? He has his freedom and his money. Why not leave me alone? Is it because I get one-third of his income in alimony?
After the divorce
Probably the most shocking thing about divorcing a sociopath is that even when it’s over, it’s not over. The attorneys have argued, the court has ruled, this is how it’s going to be—and it’s not. The sociopath doesn’t comply, twists things the way he or she wants them, uses children against the other parent, and no one seems to care.
This leaves the non-sociopathic partner—like Carla—angry with the sociopath, frustrated that he’s getting away with his lies and manipulation, and upset that he won’t do what he’s supposed to do, baffled that no one else sees the truth—all while still mourning the life she thought she had. Carla wants her ex to pay her what he’s supposed to and be a dad to their children. He’s not doing either, so she wants other people to know that behind his charming, successful veneer, he’s vile.
It’s a toxic brew of emotions. But the emotions will never affect the sociopath. They will only affect Carla, and possibly her children.
It seems to me that Carla needs to be able to separate what’s going on into four categories: financial considerations, the children, dealing with the ex and her emotional recovery.
Financial considerations
First of all, Carla needs to get her financial situation straightened out. If her ex is supposed to give her 26 accounts, she needs to get that enforced—soon, before the accounts are empty. I hope her attorneys put a time limit on when these accounts are supposed to be turned over, and specified exactly how much money she is supposed to receive. If not, she is in trouble.
Carla cannot allow her ex-husband to pay her bills. By letting him do this, she is allowing him to control her. He is deducting the money from her alimony? He is probably exaggerating the amount of the bills just to pay her less. Plus, he may decide to stop paying the bills, and she would never know it—until the cable service or electric is turned off. Carla must demand that she receive the full alimony, then get her bills in her own name.
Carla did not mention a house and mortgage. If the sociopath’s name is on the house or mortgage, that is a disaster waiting to happen. He may stop paying the mortgage and allow the house to slip into foreclosure. He wouldn’t care, but Carla would have no place to live.
The children
Carla complained that her ex won’t discuss the children with her and won’t offer any assistance as a father. He doesn’t call them during the week and only wants to play with them on his weekends. I’d recommend that Carla use this to her advantage.
Here is the bottom line: Sociopaths are terrible parents. At best, they view children as prized possession. At worst, they actively try to corrupt the children. Therefore, the less interaction a sociopath has with his or her children, the better.
Carla should actually be grateful that her ex is staying out of their children’s lives as much as he is. She should use her time with the children to shower them with love, nurture them and provide them with healthy guidance. None of that will happen when the boys are with their father. The kids will eventually sense that there is no real bond with the father. As time goes on, they may also witness him moving from girlfriend to girlfriend, and eventually start rolling their eyes at yet another one.
Carla needs to be their rock of stability. She also needs to stop badmouthing the father—even if he deserves it. This is important for two reasons. First is the emotional health of the children—they should not feel in the middle of her issues with the ex. Second, she does not want to give her ex the ammunition to come after her with a parental alienation lawsuit, in which she could lose custody of the boys.
Her best plan of action is the stay neutral about the father. One mother’s standard response whenever her children brought home news of the ex was a noncommittal, “That’s nice.”
Kids are smart. Sooner or later, they will realize that the sociopath cares only about himself.
Dealing with the ex
Carla asks, “Why is he so relentless? Why not leave me alone?”
Divorcing a sociopath is not like divorcing a relatively healthy person that you’ve just grown away from. In a normal divorce, mommy and daddy don’t want to be together anymore, but they can cooperate for the sake of the kids. This is not going to happen with a sociopath.
Sociopaths only want three things: Power, control and sex. Carla and the surgeon have divorced, but that doesn’t mean he has given up his desire for power and control.
Carla says her ex-husband is openly abusing her. She must eliminate his opportunities to do this and go No Contact with this man as much as possible. I don’t know if she is allowing him into her home, but she shouldn’t. The child exchange should be arranged to minimize interaction. Any communications regarding the children should be conducted via e-mail. Phone conversations give him opportunities to abuse her.
The key is for Carla to be strictly business. She must recognize that the sociopath will not play nice. He will do everything possible to avoid paying her. He will continue to manipulate her through the children. She must learn not to react when he baits her. She must learn to be calm and collected, yet make him toe the line on his court-ordered obligations.
Emotional recovery
All of this is pretty raw for Carla right now—the divorce was only three months ago. She is outraged. She is frustrated. Carla misses the status, money, vacations and cozy lifestyle of a surgeon’s wife. She is justifiably angry that he cheated and hid money, and probably still reeling from being devalued and discarded.
Realizing that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath has probably rocked Carla to the core. Nothing was real. Everything was a lie. And plenty of people in the community still believe the lie. This is a massive shock, and it takes time to come to terms with the magnitude of the deception.
Recovery is a process, and there is a lot of information here on the Lovefraud blog that may help Carla:
- She must realize that the ex is a sociopath, and this is the way he lives his life. Nothing she did or didn’t do would make any difference.
- She must realize that she was targeted, probably because of her good qualities.
- She must allow herself to feel her anger, disappointment, grief and even hatred—and then let it all go.
This will take time, and will probably come in waves—a wave of emotion, followed by a wave of calm. Eventually the emotional periods will be shorter, the calm periods will be longer.
Carla is in for many years of aggravation with this man. She needs to get to a point of equanimity, where his antics no longer affect her. When she gets there, no matter what the guy does, Carla wins.
I can relate to co parenting with a sociopath..during and after the divorce..it was one drama after another..it became so very hard to deal with him..he was in and out of our children’s lives..I ended up back and forth in family court..over one comtempt of a court order after another..it nevered ended with him..it made things extremely hard for our children..they were in therapy from all kinds of abuses..and more..it took many years of therapy and recovering for us to be free of the damage that took place..living with a sociopath..
Issues still arise..but live is so much better without dealing with him on a daily basis..later as the children grew older..he ‘abandoned’ to relationship with our children..and still continued to raise up issues in court against me..and more recently has taken me back to court for issues that no longer exists..knowing now that I am dealing with a sociopath..only empowers me to take better care of myself when dealing with him in court..he has himself a lawyer this time..making things harder on me..it never ends with him..and this has been going on for the past 11 years..even though I have cut off completely from him for the past two years..he has increased his attacks against me using the children as pawns once again..does it ever end?
For safety reason, I document everything that he does against me with local police…and I keep a daily log of his activities..and learned to keep myself safe at all times..
I am confused, does not contact mean no contact with the children, what if we are not married, his name not on BC…..??? Counselor suggested meeting in a public place?? if its no contact do I find another counselor who knows about sociopaths?
Spirit40,
No contact is to mean with your ex, not with the kids. I am unable to implement NC due to having the kids, but to reduce interaction I try to only text and email. I have met him a few months ago in a public place, against my intuition, and my counselor said “Why not?”. My counselor was the person that said my ex was a S, which allowed me to find as much info as I could about S (The Sociopath Next Door and this website). I did see a counselor for a while right after my divorce and she never mentioned the fact that he was an S and she even met him before!
I never really knew my ex, but now I know about his “type.” I deal with him as a type and not a person. I just need to dehumanize him so I can deal with him.
-Ginger
Advocate55:
You didn’t mention how old your kids are. However, if they are old enough (varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, generally 11-14) to state their preference “I do not want anything further do to with S”, courts will take their views into account. Local counsel can advise you on whether your kids are old enough. If you don’t want to deal with an attorney, do some digging around — your local bar association may have free advice nights, and members of the local bar could advise you on this. Also, I’m not adverse to the occasional “Hail Mary” pass — have your kids go into court with you and ask to speak to the judge regarding their wishes. It’s been known to work.
Spirit40:
Your case can cut both ways. In the US, courts are often to disrupt a “meaningful” relationship which exists between a child and a non-blood relation, and thus recognize the relationship and grant visitation. That said, you’ve got an awful lot in your favor — the facts you weren’t married and his name isn’t on the birth certificate. If S is determined to force the issue, then you haul all that into court — including the facts that he contributes nothing to child support, is a disruptive presence in your lives (this is where the emails come in), is an addict/alcolholic (again, his admissions against self interest).
If you are determined to allow the meeting (I advise against it, I think at this stage of the game you are way too vulnerable), then you arrange for him to pick up your child in a very public place — like a police station — some place which is very public, well-lit and has security cameras — like a gas station. Cops are very willing to be there when the pick up and drop off take place, in the interest of preventing domestic violence. The fact that you are also doing it this way means he’d have to be certificably insane to (a) not return you kid at the designated time and (b) pull something in front of a cop.
As for a counselor who understands sociopaths, take a look at our resource section. Otherwise, I’d start making calls. Also, since you are a student, perhaps your student health center can give you some leads.
Ginger:
Your comment about “dehumanizing” your S is a slightly different take of what we often say on this site. To get rid of a sociopath, become a sociopath. That means shutting down all the emotions that make you human. So, you turn off the love. The understanding. The guilt. All of it. Now it is strictly about taking care of business.
Great Advice Thank you, I am worried what to say to child who may miss him and still be confused its been only a short time. ? Thank you Ginger, Thank you Matt. I do think contact if any must be supervised and not just in a public place.
My children are 19 and 23..the ex husband abandoned the relationships with them since 2003..over 6 years ago..yet, he still raises issues with them in court..more recently in May of 2009..he is forced to pay child support due to the one child still in college full time..he is using our one child to get back at me for whatever reason..he hired a lawyer this time..making things go his way..and the judge sided with the ex husband..making our one child forced to sign HIPAA release forms for both educational and medical records so that the father can access but the 19 year old refuses to sign the papers..and the ex knows this through his lawyer..waiting at this point to see if I will be going back to court..this man doesn’t give up..he has done so many evil and damaging things to me and our children..always getting aways with things in court..he knows how to work the system..it’s really not about the children with the ex..it’s all about him winning. He clearly doesn’t bother or care for our children, which is ok by me..because they finally are seeing how he really is and have no contact with him..I am grateful for that..he recently did something in harassment, but I cannot prove it was him..but I filed police reports..sooner or later he will make some kind of mistake and get caught and end up in jail..he is a very sore loser..I have completely cut myself off from him because he is dangerous..cunning..and manipulative..all my close friends..family..children are aware that this man is dangerous..he is remarried..the last time I saw him in court..he looks weird and strange..jet black hair..stressed out face..and so does his wife..I am wife number one and mother of the children..ended up with sole legal custody of the children..to to his abuse and mental illness..as I stated both childre are now adults..and yet he still raises issues in court..twice this past year..he doesn’t quit!
After noon all ! I made it through the presentation, Got an A- and a B+ on my last two papers. ..all that and still feeling drained……uggghhh emotional vampires.
Spirit, this is me throwing confetti in the air. Congratulations on pulling it off in the midst of all this drama.
Kathy
Thank you! very much!