Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who we’ll call Carla:
Can you help me with co-parenting with a sociopath? Divorced three months ago, after a two-year fight for my rights. He is not complying as you know.
I am going crazy with the way he only shows his wonderful, smooth qualities to the children. I have three boys. I can’t stand sending them on weekends to a man who never calls them for two weeks and then lavishes them with charm and gifts. It makes me sick that I am struggling because he has not released even one of 26 accounts to me as decreed in the divorce settlement. He pays my bills and deducts them from the alimony. He follows the agreement under his own conditions and it confuses the attorneys. He won’t discuss the children with me or offer any assistance to them as a father. He is 100 percent focused on his new victim, his girlfriend, a new young, widow. Spending all the money he hid on her. But the kids have “buddy” to whisk them from one expensive activity to another while I am struggling to pay the bills.
I have greater anxiety now than when we were married. He openly emotionally abuses me. Before it was more covert and I got immune to the invalidation and blame. NOW I am discarded since I chose not to play by his rules of cheating, drugs, gambling, lying, withholding sex. He isn’t nice to me at all. Cruel. It was easier being married. He did all these things and he kept me blinded by being secretive and giving me a high-income surgeon’s wife lifestyle. I know the secrets now along with my attorney but he looks perfect in the community.
I miss the financial security and vacations. Now someone else shares those things with him and all I did was give him three beautiful children to brag about and add to his narcissism.
I say terrible things about him to the two older children, ages 6 and 13. I tell them how he is not following the agreement, lying and spending money on drugs and women.
Is so frustrating. I see what is real but no one else does. I am afraid my children are going to prefer him (and his girlfriend) because he is so charming and generous and I know he is pathological and I can’t give them the expensive gifts and ultra stimulating activities.
How do you deal with the frustration that you are the only person who knows someone is a sociopath? I had to live 15 years with him to figure it out and go through four therapists until the last one nailed him as anti-social/schizoid personality disordered. Then I validated her “diagnosis” with Lovefraud. He has all the signs with a very high IQ and status of a medical professional to hide behind. Will anyone else ever figure it out? I don’t believe that what comes around goes around when it comes to a sociopath as intellectually clever as my ex-husband. I do have a few very perspective people who picked up on it. I don’t think my kids will ever see it and I think he will destroy me even post-divorce. Why is he so relentless? He has his freedom and his money. Why not leave me alone? Is it because I get one-third of his income in alimony?
After the divorce
Probably the most shocking thing about divorcing a sociopath is that even when it’s over, it’s not over. The attorneys have argued, the court has ruled, this is how it’s going to be—and it’s not. The sociopath doesn’t comply, twists things the way he or she wants them, uses children against the other parent, and no one seems to care.
This leaves the non-sociopathic partner—like Carla—angry with the sociopath, frustrated that he’s getting away with his lies and manipulation, and upset that he won’t do what he’s supposed to do, baffled that no one else sees the truth—all while still mourning the life she thought she had. Carla wants her ex to pay her what he’s supposed to and be a dad to their children. He’s not doing either, so she wants other people to know that behind his charming, successful veneer, he’s vile.
It’s a toxic brew of emotions. But the emotions will never affect the sociopath. They will only affect Carla, and possibly her children.
It seems to me that Carla needs to be able to separate what’s going on into four categories: financial considerations, the children, dealing with the ex and her emotional recovery.
Financial considerations
First of all, Carla needs to get her financial situation straightened out. If her ex is supposed to give her 26 accounts, she needs to get that enforced—soon, before the accounts are empty. I hope her attorneys put a time limit on when these accounts are supposed to be turned over, and specified exactly how much money she is supposed to receive. If not, she is in trouble.
Carla cannot allow her ex-husband to pay her bills. By letting him do this, she is allowing him to control her. He is deducting the money from her alimony? He is probably exaggerating the amount of the bills just to pay her less. Plus, he may decide to stop paying the bills, and she would never know it—until the cable service or electric is turned off. Carla must demand that she receive the full alimony, then get her bills in her own name.
Carla did not mention a house and mortgage. If the sociopath’s name is on the house or mortgage, that is a disaster waiting to happen. He may stop paying the mortgage and allow the house to slip into foreclosure. He wouldn’t care, but Carla would have no place to live.
The children
Carla complained that her ex won’t discuss the children with her and won’t offer any assistance as a father. He doesn’t call them during the week and only wants to play with them on his weekends. I’d recommend that Carla use this to her advantage.
Here is the bottom line: Sociopaths are terrible parents. At best, they view children as prized possession. At worst, they actively try to corrupt the children. Therefore, the less interaction a sociopath has with his or her children, the better.
Carla should actually be grateful that her ex is staying out of their children’s lives as much as he is. She should use her time with the children to shower them with love, nurture them and provide them with healthy guidance. None of that will happen when the boys are with their father. The kids will eventually sense that there is no real bond with the father. As time goes on, they may also witness him moving from girlfriend to girlfriend, and eventually start rolling their eyes at yet another one.
Carla needs to be their rock of stability. She also needs to stop badmouthing the father—even if he deserves it. This is important for two reasons. First is the emotional health of the children—they should not feel in the middle of her issues with the ex. Second, she does not want to give her ex the ammunition to come after her with a parental alienation lawsuit, in which she could lose custody of the boys.
Her best plan of action is the stay neutral about the father. One mother’s standard response whenever her children brought home news of the ex was a noncommittal, “That’s nice.”
Kids are smart. Sooner or later, they will realize that the sociopath cares only about himself.
Dealing with the ex
Carla asks, “Why is he so relentless? Why not leave me alone?”
Divorcing a sociopath is not like divorcing a relatively healthy person that you’ve just grown away from. In a normal divorce, mommy and daddy don’t want to be together anymore, but they can cooperate for the sake of the kids. This is not going to happen with a sociopath.
Sociopaths only want three things: Power, control and sex. Carla and the surgeon have divorced, but that doesn’t mean he has given up his desire for power and control.
Carla says her ex-husband is openly abusing her. She must eliminate his opportunities to do this and go No Contact with this man as much as possible. I don’t know if she is allowing him into her home, but she shouldn’t. The child exchange should be arranged to minimize interaction. Any communications regarding the children should be conducted via e-mail. Phone conversations give him opportunities to abuse her.
The key is for Carla to be strictly business. She must recognize that the sociopath will not play nice. He will do everything possible to avoid paying her. He will continue to manipulate her through the children. She must learn not to react when he baits her. She must learn to be calm and collected, yet make him toe the line on his court-ordered obligations.
Emotional recovery
All of this is pretty raw for Carla right now—the divorce was only three months ago. She is outraged. She is frustrated. Carla misses the status, money, vacations and cozy lifestyle of a surgeon’s wife. She is justifiably angry that he cheated and hid money, and probably still reeling from being devalued and discarded.
Realizing that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath has probably rocked Carla to the core. Nothing was real. Everything was a lie. And plenty of people in the community still believe the lie. This is a massive shock, and it takes time to come to terms with the magnitude of the deception.
Recovery is a process, and there is a lot of information here on the Lovefraud blog that may help Carla:
- She must realize that the ex is a sociopath, and this is the way he lives his life. Nothing she did or didn’t do would make any difference.
- She must realize that she was targeted, probably because of her good qualities.
- She must allow herself to feel her anger, disappointment, grief and even hatred—and then let it all go.
This will take time, and will probably come in waves—a wave of emotion, followed by a wave of calm. Eventually the emotional periods will be shorter, the calm periods will be longer.
Carla is in for many years of aggravation with this man. She needs to get to a point of equanimity, where his antics no longer affect her. When she gets there, no matter what the guy does, Carla wins.
Dear Kimmy,
Of course you wish your son had a real father, and it hurts that your child doesn’t have what you know would mean the world to him and to you, but unfortunately, he doesn’t.
HOWEVER–it is not your fault he does not have a father who loves him. That is his father’s responsibility and he is not fulfilling it and won’t. Again, not your responsibility or your “fault.”
I think it is common for parents who love their children and want the best for them to feel “guilty” when say we would like to send them to college, or aprivate school, or whatever that would be nice for them, but we can’t afford it. Or for some reason the thing we desire for our child is out of reach. BUT it is not something that you can control.
Many children do well with one parent, or NO parents, we just do the BEST we can and love them, and let God take care of the rest.
Your X, ikn my opinion, doesn’t call regularly or on the schedule because he knows it upsets YOU (he could care less about your/his son).
Setting boundaries about when he can and should call, then keeping records (you may need them in court some day) keeping ALL copies of e mails or other conversations, and LIMITing any conversation that is not strictly about your son, or to your son to just the LEAST AMOUNT YOU CAN.
Don’t discuss his “bad or inconsistent” behavior with him or “call him” on it, but flatly and unemotionally set the boundaries. “John, you may call Timmy between 5 and 7 p.m. any day you wish (or wednesdays and Fridays etc) and talk to him on speaker phone. If he ever says anything inappropriate, record all conversations after thatwould be my advice.
“Please EMAIL ME two weeks in advance for visitation which will be on Sundays from 3 to 6” etc.
If he doesn’t follow these directions, I wouldn’t nag him about NOT following them, but just say in response, (in an e mail)
Please email me two weeks in advance for visitation which will be on sundays from 3 to 6. (i.e. just REPEAT the boundary but not make any reference to him not following it.)
He will probably rage about this, but let him rage is my suggestion, just respond FLAT LINE and no emotion. No matter how upset you are or what you woujld like to tell him! LOL
As f ar as your son is concerned if he expresses “I wish my daddy would call/come see me etc” I would just validate his feelings, “Yes, Timmy, I know you wish your daddy would call/come.” Neutral response, not criticizing your X at all, just validating your son’s feelings. He can then draw his own conclusions from the BEHAVIOR of your X—not calling etc. and you don’t get the slap for saying “mean” things about his father which he might try to defend.
It is so difficult raising a child alone, and especially if your X is a PPD, but you seem to have a great head on your shoulders. Hang in there, and keep moving one step at a time. Just love your son and give him the best you can do, and don’t absorb the guilt for your X;’s lack. that’s his cross to bear, not yours. (((hugs))) and my prayers for you.
This is soooo scary reading these stories…..I thought I was crazy!!! I was swept off my feet by a lying, cheating, manipulative…and did I mention charming and successful sociopath? He systematically infiltrated my life, destroyed my family, ruined me financially, raped me, physically attacked me (sprayed me with pepper spray and fought my 13 year old son and sprayed him with pepper spray, so he could kidnapped the baby), and has kept me in court for three years, and still no outcome! He used to emotionally beat me down, and when he was angry with me he would physically abuse my children. After 2 years and a baby under 1 I left him. To date he is still thinking of ways to make my life miserable. I have protective orders to keep him away, then the courts turned around and gave him visitation…unsupervised! When he attacked me I hadn’t heard from him for a few months, and then one morning the children and I were leaving for school and he came out of nowhere and snatched the baby and fought my son. He fought me too. The scariest part was that throughout the entire struggle he did not say a word. He was there for one reason.
He took hundreds of thousands of dollars from elderly women, lied about his name…I found out he had several aliases, couldn’t keep a position but was so brilliant and charming found a job making 6 figures within a few months.
He has now begun harassing me again because he is getting ready to go to court in November for the assault earlier this year. I have resorted to No contact, and after realizing who and what he truly is……I am concerned for the safety of myself and my family. Any suggestions on strategies to protect us?
3yr, Sorry to welcome you here tonight. You are in good hands and you aren’t crazy, he is.
first thing to do is work on becoming emotionless. of course you feel emotion but you must come across as being very boring and uninteresting. NO EMOTIONAL reactions. This is the only thing that works for getting them to lose interest. It will be hard because of your children. Teach your boy this trick. Try to get evidence whenever there are documents.
He attacks you for your emotions, that is what he feeds on. we call them vampires. Read the book “why is it always about you” and “the sociopath next door” They will explain what you need to understand, and they are easy reads, actually enteraining. But you will find that when you go to the library, they will ALL BE CHECKED OUT! There seems to be an upsurge in interest on narcissism lately. Put your name on the waiting list and then search for other books on narcissism that are in stock. They will help you gain perspective.
3yrsurvivor, jeez, I can’t believe they gave him unsupervised visitation!!!!! If the NC doesn’t help, speak to your attorney and your local police department. Document everything!!! Read as much as you can here, there are a lot of people on this site that have been through what you are going through. Skyler’s boring stragegy is very good!!
3Yrs:
You must be vigilant, tenacious and persevere!
Do NOT GIVE UP!
I just found out today there are Domestic violence advocates in each ‘entity’…..of the local govmnt. offices
We as DV victims must ask….make this a first question in contcating the agencies……DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOACATE?
I am sure they may be different in all county’s and states….but I was unaware of all of them…..
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ADVOCATES!!!! BUT THEY WILL ALL FIGHT FOR YOU!
Okay, the rundown….
The local police have a DV ADVOCATE
The District Attorneys Office has their own DV ADV.
The Sheriffs Dept. has a DV ADVOCATE
The family courts has their own DV ADVOCATE
The Dept. of PUBLIC SAFETY has a DV Adv.
The Sheltors have their own DV ADV
Womans services has thier own DV ADV.
CONTACT THEM ALL…..and be persistant…..I have been told by all of them….the squeaky wheel scenario…..
DO NOT GREASE THE SQUEAK!!!! LET YOURSELF BE HEARD!!!
I am sorry for your battle, your pain and I want you to know…..your welcome here!
Keep strength, keep YOU!
XXOO
EB
I appreciate everyone’s comments and support. Currently my attorney is through a Domestic Violence Organization so I am sure they have some resources. It just seems like the people I talk to don’t really understand the weight of the situation. I do have the local PD keeping an eye out…a cop lives down the street. But the calls are getting weirder and weirder. I am concerned that he is going to do something….I am contacting my attorney and parent Coordinator who just gushes about how much he loves his son. I know the baby is a pawn to get to me. I have also passed a few articles on to an elderly woman whom he has exploited for years. She is very kind and well educated (a school principal)! I hope that she will have the strength to break the ties like I did. I just packed my bags and disappeared one day because I knew that was the only way I was going to be able to break the ties. i had no idea at that time about sociopathology, I just knew that he was a cruel and heartless person who used to force me to execute his dirty work and treated my children like trash and said it was because he loved us. I am staying strong especially for my children. They have been affected the most. We are all in therapy and hopefully they will have the opportunity to heal so that they will live productive lives. Thank you all and god bless.
So, I seem to be in position to get much of what I hoped for in our divorce/custody settlement, but I still have %50 legal custody which means we have to make descisions together.
I have agreed to some things I was not going to agree to…things he did just because he could ie: refusing to drop off my son at my apt. as usual. Turns out picking him up on my way towork, as long as he is dressed and his lunch is packed, is easier for me.
My worry is that when he sees that he’s not getting to me, he will find another way to upset me.
MY QUESTION IS: Should I continue to act like this bothers me, so he doesn’t find a new way to bother me?
Thanks
Dear Banana,
That is a good question! Yea, it might work. YOU are starting to THINK now and ACT, rather than RE-act, which is GOOD!!!
The thing is that you MUST NOT let him “push your buttons” and when he tries, think of it as he is a “fisherman” and he is throwing “lures” in front of you to get you to snap them up, but keep in mind THERE IS ALWAYS A HOOK IN THERE. ALWAYS!
So when you feel yourself getting angry, frustrated, etc.REMIND YOURSELF (instead of RE-acting) HE IS TRYING TO UPSET ME WITH HIS “LURE” and I WILL *NOT* LET IT WORK. I will NOT grab that HOOK!!!
It won’t change him TRYING, he will always try, but unless it is something LILFE THREATENING, do NOT re-act but ACT instead. Sometimes ACTING may be pretending to be angry, or pretending to be cooperative with him, but whatever your ACTION is, it isn’t hooked into your anger, rage, etc. but is a DELIBERATE ACTION, not a RE-action.
RE-actions are LETTING HIM HAVE CONTROL. ACTIONS are YOU are in control of YOU. (you will never be in control of him, unless you can get him to RE-act) If any of that makes any sense.
Sometimes ACTION may actually mean you LET HIM THINK he “won” (and sometimes it is hard for us to “let them win”) but when you do that, YOU are actually the one in CONTROL.
The further you can keep your emotions away from your ACTIONS the better off you will be, because he has LOTS OF PRACTICE in pushing your buttons and will keep on trying to do so, because THAT IS WHERE HE GETS HIS ‘REWARDS.”
Hang in there Banana, if he thinks he is “winning” he may be satisfied. Hopefully, he will get bored and go away to another victim and leave you alone. Good luck ((((hugs))) and God bless you and your baby!
My first impulse was to say “yes”. banana, pretend it bothers you. But then I thought about it and they thrive on emotion. it might encourage more crap.
So I’ve changed my opinion, I say don’t show any emotion. Be a boring gray rock. If he notices, tell him you are on prozac and can’t feel any emotion anymore. Then there will be no point in further harrassment.
PS: He brought his mistress and my son to the settlement. I decided not to meet him face-to-face.
So the three of them were in a room with a window and I was in the waiting room.
So I called my dad. S hasn’t seen my dad since the day he left me for OW.