Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who we’ll call Carla:
Can you help me with co-parenting with a sociopath? Divorced three months ago, after a two-year fight for my rights. He is not complying as you know.
I am going crazy with the way he only shows his wonderful, smooth qualities to the children. I have three boys. I can’t stand sending them on weekends to a man who never calls them for two weeks and then lavishes them with charm and gifts. It makes me sick that I am struggling because he has not released even one of 26 accounts to me as decreed in the divorce settlement. He pays my bills and deducts them from the alimony. He follows the agreement under his own conditions and it confuses the attorneys. He won’t discuss the children with me or offer any assistance to them as a father. He is 100 percent focused on his new victim, his girlfriend, a new young, widow. Spending all the money he hid on her. But the kids have “buddy” to whisk them from one expensive activity to another while I am struggling to pay the bills.
I have greater anxiety now than when we were married. He openly emotionally abuses me. Before it was more covert and I got immune to the invalidation and blame. NOW I am discarded since I chose not to play by his rules of cheating, drugs, gambling, lying, withholding sex. He isn’t nice to me at all. Cruel. It was easier being married. He did all these things and he kept me blinded by being secretive and giving me a high-income surgeon’s wife lifestyle. I know the secrets now along with my attorney but he looks perfect in the community.
I miss the financial security and vacations. Now someone else shares those things with him and all I did was give him three beautiful children to brag about and add to his narcissism.
I say terrible things about him to the two older children, ages 6 and 13. I tell them how he is not following the agreement, lying and spending money on drugs and women.
Is so frustrating. I see what is real but no one else does. I am afraid my children are going to prefer him (and his girlfriend) because he is so charming and generous and I know he is pathological and I can’t give them the expensive gifts and ultra stimulating activities.
How do you deal with the frustration that you are the only person who knows someone is a sociopath? I had to live 15 years with him to figure it out and go through four therapists until the last one nailed him as anti-social/schizoid personality disordered. Then I validated her “diagnosis” with Lovefraud. He has all the signs with a very high IQ and status of a medical professional to hide behind. Will anyone else ever figure it out? I don’t believe that what comes around goes around when it comes to a sociopath as intellectually clever as my ex-husband. I do have a few very perspective people who picked up on it. I don’t think my kids will ever see it and I think he will destroy me even post-divorce. Why is he so relentless? He has his freedom and his money. Why not leave me alone? Is it because I get one-third of his income in alimony?
After the divorce
Probably the most shocking thing about divorcing a sociopath is that even when it’s over, it’s not over. The attorneys have argued, the court has ruled, this is how it’s going to be—and it’s not. The sociopath doesn’t comply, twists things the way he or she wants them, uses children against the other parent, and no one seems to care.
This leaves the non-sociopathic partner—like Carla—angry with the sociopath, frustrated that he’s getting away with his lies and manipulation, and upset that he won’t do what he’s supposed to do, baffled that no one else sees the truth—all while still mourning the life she thought she had. Carla wants her ex to pay her what he’s supposed to and be a dad to their children. He’s not doing either, so she wants other people to know that behind his charming, successful veneer, he’s vile.
It’s a toxic brew of emotions. But the emotions will never affect the sociopath. They will only affect Carla, and possibly her children.
It seems to me that Carla needs to be able to separate what’s going on into four categories: financial considerations, the children, dealing with the ex and her emotional recovery.
Financial considerations
First of all, Carla needs to get her financial situation straightened out. If her ex is supposed to give her 26 accounts, she needs to get that enforced—soon, before the accounts are empty. I hope her attorneys put a time limit on when these accounts are supposed to be turned over, and specified exactly how much money she is supposed to receive. If not, she is in trouble.
Carla cannot allow her ex-husband to pay her bills. By letting him do this, she is allowing him to control her. He is deducting the money from her alimony? He is probably exaggerating the amount of the bills just to pay her less. Plus, he may decide to stop paying the bills, and she would never know it—until the cable service or electric is turned off. Carla must demand that she receive the full alimony, then get her bills in her own name.
Carla did not mention a house and mortgage. If the sociopath’s name is on the house or mortgage, that is a disaster waiting to happen. He may stop paying the mortgage and allow the house to slip into foreclosure. He wouldn’t care, but Carla would have no place to live.
The children
Carla complained that her ex won’t discuss the children with her and won’t offer any assistance as a father. He doesn’t call them during the week and only wants to play with them on his weekends. I’d recommend that Carla use this to her advantage.
Here is the bottom line: Sociopaths are terrible parents. At best, they view children as prized possession. At worst, they actively try to corrupt the children. Therefore, the less interaction a sociopath has with his or her children, the better.
Carla should actually be grateful that her ex is staying out of their children’s lives as much as he is. She should use her time with the children to shower them with love, nurture them and provide them with healthy guidance. None of that will happen when the boys are with their father. The kids will eventually sense that there is no real bond with the father. As time goes on, they may also witness him moving from girlfriend to girlfriend, and eventually start rolling their eyes at yet another one.
Carla needs to be their rock of stability. She also needs to stop badmouthing the father—even if he deserves it. This is important for two reasons. First is the emotional health of the children—they should not feel in the middle of her issues with the ex. Second, she does not want to give her ex the ammunition to come after her with a parental alienation lawsuit, in which she could lose custody of the boys.
Her best plan of action is the stay neutral about the father. One mother’s standard response whenever her children brought home news of the ex was a noncommittal, “That’s nice.”
Kids are smart. Sooner or later, they will realize that the sociopath cares only about himself.
Dealing with the ex
Carla asks, “Why is he so relentless? Why not leave me alone?”
Divorcing a sociopath is not like divorcing a relatively healthy person that you’ve just grown away from. In a normal divorce, mommy and daddy don’t want to be together anymore, but they can cooperate for the sake of the kids. This is not going to happen with a sociopath.
Sociopaths only want three things: Power, control and sex. Carla and the surgeon have divorced, but that doesn’t mean he has given up his desire for power and control.
Carla says her ex-husband is openly abusing her. She must eliminate his opportunities to do this and go No Contact with this man as much as possible. I don’t know if she is allowing him into her home, but she shouldn’t. The child exchange should be arranged to minimize interaction. Any communications regarding the children should be conducted via e-mail. Phone conversations give him opportunities to abuse her.
The key is for Carla to be strictly business. She must recognize that the sociopath will not play nice. He will do everything possible to avoid paying her. He will continue to manipulate her through the children. She must learn not to react when he baits her. She must learn to be calm and collected, yet make him toe the line on his court-ordered obligations.
Emotional recovery
All of this is pretty raw for Carla right now—the divorce was only three months ago. She is outraged. She is frustrated. Carla misses the status, money, vacations and cozy lifestyle of a surgeon’s wife. She is justifiably angry that he cheated and hid money, and probably still reeling from being devalued and discarded.
Realizing that she’s been in a relationship with a sociopath has probably rocked Carla to the core. Nothing was real. Everything was a lie. And plenty of people in the community still believe the lie. This is a massive shock, and it takes time to come to terms with the magnitude of the deception.
Recovery is a process, and there is a lot of information here on the Lovefraud blog that may help Carla:
- She must realize that the ex is a sociopath, and this is the way he lives his life. Nothing she did or didn’t do would make any difference.
- She must realize that she was targeted, probably because of her good qualities.
- She must allow herself to feel her anger, disappointment, grief and even hatred—and then let it all go.
This will take time, and will probably come in waves—a wave of emotion, followed by a wave of calm. Eventually the emotional periods will be shorter, the calm periods will be longer.
Carla is in for many years of aggravation with this man. She needs to get to a point of equanimity, where his antics no longer affect her. When she gets there, no matter what the guy does, Carla wins.
Hahaha, Skylar! I like the “it’s unfair he can’t see his dad” one. I’m gonna use it. I literally haven’t seen him outside a courtroom in over a year, so there’s no hint-dropping fun to be had. Funny thing is, even though he cheated on me for years, he was always convinced I was the one “having fun” all the time. Let him think it. I DO need to do some stuff for myself with this time, though. I took myself to my favorite beach cabin for Christmas, which is the only way I could figure it would be bearable. Spent two days just reading a good book (NOT self-help for once). It felt good.
Onestep – I forked out the $200 bucks for Our Family Wizard so I would have LOTS of documentation. All the time he’s giving me, the refusals to answer questions… all right there. I can see exactly when he read an e-mail… no more “I didn’t have internet for a week” excuses. It’s awesome. Total godsend for those of us having to coparent with these idiots. Believe me, I don’t trust the courts anymore to do me any favors, but I think you’re right. He WILL eff up, whether it’s with me or someone else.
FYI – I wasn’t ever married to the guy, thank God. I knew him for 3 months before I got pregnant. He had just gotten out of a divorce (red flag! hellooooo?!), and I was told I couldn’t have kids because of fibroids, which was not true. I lived with him for a year, kicked him to the curb for a year, then tried it again because he’d convinced all of my friends and roommates what a great guy he was, and I doubted my instincts that he *might* be incapable of “changing”. Spent two years in hell trapped in a house we bought that I couldn’t afford on my won. Literally the mortgage made me stay waaaaaay longer than I should have. He started cheating on me as soon as we moved in. Very dumb on my part, but I guess I shouldn’t have to apologize for being trusting. Who knew people like this existed?!
I guess I also didn’t mention this was a parenting plan that was finalized. The temporary one was set in February, which is really cruel and inhumane. It’s been a looooong year.
I haven’t read through all the comments, so I don’t know if this has been addressed. I have to co-parent because my youngest 2 are under 9, and if ex took me to court, I imagine they would be given some contact rights. The older ones don’t want to see him, though he harasses them.
I tried to start mediation by approaching two mediation centers – both gave me exemption certificates, meaning that I can go straight to court without doing mediation. These certificates are given when they deem it inappropriate to use mediation if there is child abuse, family violence, or unequal power in a relationship. Ex was very unhappy about the first one that I called and claimed they gave the certificate based on what I had said (which was true, but I didn’t lie – I even told them I wasn’t afraid of physical aggression anymore). But the second one gave me the certificate after they spoke with him, but cannot reveal the nature of the conversation. Now he has approached another one and I have a phone intake session. I will only do mediation in separate rooms though.
My domestic violence outreach worker told me that I shouldn’t initiate any court action because while there are no parental orders, there is nothing against the law keeping the kids with me any time I don’t want to hand them over. By the same token, if he has them, he doesn’t have to return them. But my DV counselor says that with someone like him that keeps changing things, it is better to have a court order.
My main worry is cost. I can’t afford to hire a lawyer. I did that for property settlement and just got that done, but it hasn’t left me any cash, because my lawyer gave away all my savings to get a result – she was sure he wouldn’t sign otherwise because he was so difficult, and we needed him to sign because there was a deadline to meet for his job and if he was out of a job, I would lose my child support and I don’t work. I can’t use legal aid because I have assets. I can’t sell the assets quickly because I don’t have cash to do them up. So I am trying to stall court action as much as possible.
Do you think I should just go along with this third mediation center, and not say anything about power/control and child abuse, so they don’t give me an exemption certificate, and try mediation in separate rooms, and then if that fails, see if he takes me to court? He is normally very tight, so he may not spend the money on taking me to court, but if he really wants to prove a point and get more time with his kids, he may.
By the way, right now, he has them every other weekend, overnight on Sat, and a few hours on a Wed in between. Will the court see that as enough? He says he is not happy because that arrangement was achieved without discussion or consultation with him. (His lawyer has told me that she saw the criminal record of assault against our child and doesn’t think it would impact the ruling and she has successfully argued for such clients before.) Of course I didn’t consult him, I go No Contact as much as possible, which he has been fighting because he says all the government booklets say that separated parents should sit together regularly to talk about the kids and that if I was scared, we should do it in the presence of a chosen person. But every person we have ever chosen has been hoodwinked by him and unable to control any abuse, and I have been scalded in the past. He says he is sorry for all that, and will prove himself changed. He is convinced he has changed and says that I know I couldn’t accuse him of being emotionally abusive since separation so he doesn’t know why I go NC. I didn’t bother telling him that he has been harassing, covertly aggressive, disrespectful, etc since separation. He would just drop his jaw and say, “What, so you are saying that that was wrong??!” like I was so hard to please and he finds friends to agree. So I hardly ever talk to him – mostly he initiates and I decide if it is worth responding.
What can I expect out of the mediation?
Co-parenting with a sociopath is impossible, as you all know. But I recently found a phrase that completely changed things for me, parallel parenting.
You can read more about my story and parallel parenting at http://daytodaywoman.com/2011/02/09/parallel-parenting-the-phrase-that-saved-me/
Dear Cdahle,
“Parallel parenting”—GREAT phrase! Thanks for that and the link!
I met my spath via ihs divorce.. Did not get sucked in by the regular issues but i realized he used his last child as bait for women to get money. I never give a guy money. I am old fashioned. I can support myself and myl cihldren but unless i marry the turd and he becomes ill. not my job to financial support a man that is otherwise able bodied.. That said, thely know how to use that charm to a tee. Teach your kid’s about this issue. If you feel they are in danger, you can stop visits wiht him and then he has to go to court. Period. Document everything. This spath has tried every angle to bad mouth all but one of hte women he fathered children with. I do have question why do these men want kid’s with women the know they are not really attached to or the kid’s? i noticed most of these men are into the fun part of life. SOme work temp. but fun is thier main goal in life. Is that common?
attagirl12:
Yeah, I saw this with my X spath. Even though he is an executive and has a ton of responsibility there, it seems to end there. He wants the rest of his life to be fun, fun, fun all the time.
Yep they are control freaks. Divorced Oct 2007 and just spent another 18 months going through the courts (UK) for child maintenance, well those payments lasted all of 2 months (April 2011 and May 2011). So enforcement under way yet again.
Hey hoy, bailiffs back in, spaths just never want to lose. BTW he also owes 45k in school fees, thankfully for me I had a savy judge who got it, so I am indemnified.
All about control, power, do what I like ..well laws do exist and bailiffs are going back for the furniture of the (ex new wife’s mother). Idiot claims he married some woman off the internet, separated after 12 months, lived at a different address (until bailiffs found him) etc etc. The lies are endless, the deceit boring, and well they actually believe they can do anything they like.
I think my spath is particularly thick, but I actually don’t care any more. Why don’t they just give up, he could have of course done a runner and left old/current/new wife in the sh*t but not my problem.
I was sort of pleased sending the bailiffs in the first time, this time I am just soooo bored, what did I ever see in such a loser.
My children now 16 and 18 have not seen the t*sser in 6 years and my daughter 18 is now making her own application against the loser to the court, how sad is that. But at the end of the day its only about money, my children just think he is a total waste of space and intellectually inferior, because he is.
Spaths don’t care we all know that, so for anyone co-parenting with a spath my advice just do what is right for your children and if they use money as a power thing take them back to court and keep doing it. If you can’t afford to hire a lawyer (as in my case) do it yourself and yes I work full time and run my own business. As a person once said to ‘we are all on our own really’, a truism for most of us.
Hang in there, guys and girls when it gets rough but you can get there, and I have been going through this t0tal cr*p for 6 years. All I wanted was a divorce …as the original post states, it can get even worse after you have tried to get rid of them.
Best wishes to all.
Thank you for this posting, and others and some of the comments I have read. I like the tips you have given and the parallel parenting idea.
I was cross the childrens dad had stopped asking after the children once he had a new girlfriend (victim) in his life, but as you say its a good thing. Though suddenly the visits or overnight stays begun again at the time he got the new GF!
On exchanges at visitation I drop the children off and drive off without speaking to him and concentrate on the children when they are dropped off again, so I don’t have to talk to him anymore.
I’m in the UK and the CSA (child support agency) have a case open for me and the payments have been eratic. However, he has just provided his most recent self-employment figures for the last 8 months and somehow the children will now get no payments (apart from arrears) as he’s supposedly earning less than £5 per week, even though I believe what he’s provided is total rubbish as he has a lavish lifestyle with his new GF (who appears to only work PT so is unlikely to be paying all the bills). So I’m having to appeal to the CSA as well as have him investigated by the CSA as the information doesn’t really stack up.
Plus he’s claiming to have a law degree and therefore be a lawyer (he’d stupid enough to put this info on the internet with a picture of himself for anyone to find) and I know its not true due to the dates he claimed to study at uni and subsequent emails he’s sent recently saying he will finish the degree next year!
I also have a court order against him to pay me monies for a loan I had to take over as its was secured against the house , but he’s not paid a penny back. I really must deal with it as its not fair that I should be paying it back and as usual he’s getting away with it. He’s not even paid the initial divorce costs he was ordered to pay.
I’m still angry with him even 3 years later after walking out on him after finding him cheating on me because I cannot believe I was such a sucker for 20 years and was taken in by all the lies! And I’m angry that he would have let his children become homeless by not paying the mortgages when we first split up even though he knew I was not working nor providing child maintenance on a timely basis.
Though now through reading I see that a sociopath has no remorse or consideration of others only himself.
Edit: Have now rung my solicitors and will hopefully be seeing them next week to deal with the court order and monies owed. Thank you for making me see that I need to deal with it as he never will.
Most sociopaths can’t keep a steady job, blow money like crazy, borrow money from “friends” and never pay them back or outright steal it. You noted you miss the money and the trips…are you sure he is not a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be successful, obsessive and anal retentive.