Forgiving oneself for making bad choices is never easy, and I know there are authors and posters on LF who are true experts in the area of self-forgiveness. But let me come at this from an angle slightly different than my usual Lovefraud fare.
It’s often just plain hard to bust a flat-out liar and deceiver. And it’s often suprisingly easy to effectively flat-out lie and deceive. Let me say this again: it’s pretty easy to live a life of deception, making it no big accomplishment to deceive the brightest, most astute, most sensitive people.
Lying and deceiving, and doing them well, even over long, extended periods of time, duping anyone and everyone in the process—again, my point is that it’s not nearly as hard to do as we might tend to think, and so it’s really nothing for the exploiter, however slick or not he may be, to feel especially proud to be so good at. Because fraud, and deception, just aren’t that hard to perpetrate.
And the converse is more important—it’s often really easy to be victimized by liars and deceivers, again highlighting how relatively undifficult it is to lie and deceive effectively, and NOT how dumb one is to fall for the lies and deception.
The truth is that few, if any, of us were raised to enter relationships vigilant for exploiters and imposters; not one of us, I suspect, ever took a formal course in how to identify exploiters and other sundry disguised frauds in the context of “intimate” relationships.
This just isn’t something any of us goes to school for; it’s not something any of us expects to experience; and so, reasonably, we think we have much better things to do with our limited time than to strive to become experts at imposter-busting.
Seriously, how many of us really want to spend our precious little time in this short life in the paranoid, depressing undertaking to become, if it’s even theoretically possible, skilled at unmasking exploiters?
Sure, there are professions one can enter if this is one’s bag—to bust imposters. But marriage and intimate relationships are not “professions.” We assume, with statistical support behind us, that it’s unlikely that the individual we’ll become (or have become) involved with is likely to be a pathological liar and deceiver.
Of course we know anything’s possible, but it’s still, statistically, a low enough risk not to compel our constant vigilance, anymore than the risk of contracting relatively rare forms of malignant cancers should necessarily compel our vigilance and dread.
Now some pathological liars may be excellent at their exploitation skills, but more often than not they are just good enough exploiters to perpetrate fraud successfully for the reasons I’ve suggested.
Does this abdicate us of our duty to heed signs that may, sometimes, be discernable? Of course not. As I’ve written in prior Lovefraud articles, we want to give ourselves the best chance possible, against odds already stacked against us, to bust deceivers and imposters. And as I’ve written elsewhere, sometimes those signs are present, because many exploiters are really not so good at disguising signs of their venality, and some of them are, in fact, really pretty bad; and sometimes, for many possible reasons, we do a poor, ineffectual job at recognizing and heeding those signs.
But it’s also true (and it’s the emphasis of this article) that often these signs are not present, or not obviously present enough to overcome the basic (and I would argue, healthy) state of trust with which we enter intimate relationships. Because again I note: for understandable reasons, we simply don’t enter these relationships naturally suspicious of, or vigilant for, corruption in our partners.
We simply aren’t on the lookout to be exploited, and for this reason, as I’ve suggested repeatedly, this gives the exploiter an enormous edge for, by definition, he is preying on the least suspicious of his potential victims—those who love him.
Consequently this makes him ultimately cowardly, incredibly cowardly, not his victims foolish or gullible. Let me say this again—this makes the exploiter incredibly cowardly because, among other things, he is preying not on gullible fools (as he may perceive, contemptuously, his victims to be), but rather on those who have entered into a relationship with him on a natural, healthy pretext of trust (thereby making them the least challenging, the easiest, victims to defraud).
This reminds me of the bonding exercise in which one partner, demonstrating trust in the other, agrees to fall backwards in the faith that the receiving partner will catch and protect her. This isn’t gullibility at work but rather natural trust and faith she is risking that her partner will catch her, and not let her fall and injure herself. The exploiter in this analogy as if goads his partner into falling backwards and then, instead of catching her, as she should reasonably expect he will, he lets her drop and so injures her badly. And she, the victim of his deception, is left to feel shocked, betrayed and wounded.
Staying with this analogy, she, the victim, may not discover how treacherously her partner has let her fall this until much later, as the horror of his history of lies and deception begin, shockingly, to emerge.
And so I suggest to all who have been betrayed and exploited by perpetrators of fraud, especially (but not exclusively) in the context of an intimate commitment, I say to you, cut yourselves some slack, some serious slack. You are not naïve. You are not gullible.
We live in a world which makes it relatively easy for exploitive personalities to injure others. If we were all paranoid, living in a paranoid mindset, this might limit our risk of exploitation; but most of us, thankfully, are not paranoid. We are not living in a mindset of vigilance to be screwed-over by others, especially those we rightfully deem least likely to hurt us.
This confers the advantage to (and all shame on) the exploiter—and should leave his victims comfortable in their ultimate dignity and innocence.
(This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Katy and Snoodle, both of you have the ring of sincerity and reason in your posts! Great job to both of you! TOWANDA!!!!
BTW Snoodle, I ran into my egg donor in the store a year or more ago, she was checking out and I ended up in line behind her and didn’t realize she was there until after she had checked out and she saw me, and I was headed right into her…where she was lying in wait. It totally BLEW ME AWAY. I got such a dose of adrenaline that I almost puked…my heart raced like a sewing machine. I was literally sick with the “fight or flight” response, but—-I managed—and I looking back, learned from it that I USED TO LIVE IN THAT STATE OF HYPER AROUSAL ALL THE TIME, 24/7.
Now, when I get a “fright” (from any reason) I NOTICE IT because it is DIFFERENT from how I live the rest of the time. I do not live in constant HYPER ALERTNESS any more.
I haven’t seen either my x-bf or my egg donor or any of the other Ps in my life for quite some time, but the thing is if I do and I get “triggered” it won’t last long and I will recover. In the meantime, I am living life NORMALLY.
I am wsith your therapist, Snoodle, I think you handled it wonderfully. You survived and thrived!
It must be difficult to realize you hurt someone who loved you so much (your x husband) and that that relationship is over, but it is good that you are able to have a civil one with him now and especially for the sake of your children….but there is NOTHING you can do to UN-do what has happened, we have to go on from where we are now, not where we wish we had been if we had known what we know NOW. I think to one degree or another the dysfunctional relationships we have with the Ps damages ALL OTHER relationships with others in our lives, even if only because we neglect the relationships with our friends, children, families, etc. because of the time and mental and emotional energy we spend on the Ps or healing from them.
Ox,
You made an incredibly good point! It ISN”T like the hyper arousal that it was in the relationshit. I’m still HYPER VIGILANT, but NOTHING like I was in the relationship 24/7. There was ALWAYS an underlying bad omen in his presence, I was NEVER comfortable. Always on edge. Even while it was suppose to be a “Good” time with him. Thanks for the reminder!
Snoodle, i can only hope that if I run into mine that up close and personal, that I can handle it as well as you did.
RB
Well,
I found someone to be my official gym buddy. one of my three daughters. This will be SO good for both of us. She’s way overweight, but wants to start getting healthy.
This is pretty exciting news for me and for her.
I hope this helps us become closer!
It’s a step in the right direction.
RB
Schnoodle,
I also have amazing peripheral vision! Is this something we develop from being around a spath? Maybe we knew we were always in danger and needed to have that extra edge?
I can also see things that are hidden in patterns, like camoflauged birds in the trees. Spath couldn’t believe how my eyes zero in on these things. It’s as if I’m hypervigilent without even being aware of it. Anyone else notice this?
Roses, I can’t wait for the day when you are grateful for the spath experience. Grateful because it has set you on a path to a better you. Working out is one step in that path.
Speaking of paths, I love this quote by Joseph Campbell.
If you can see your path laid out
in front of you step by step,
you know it’s not your path.
Your own path you make with every step you take.
That’s why it’s your path.
there are more quotes here, all of them very uplifting.
http://www.sapphyr.net/smallgems/quotes-author-josephcampbell.htm
Roses, if you read anything by Joseph Campbell you will feel better immediately. That man was a genius in his ability to uplift us with beautiful truths. He was the most opposite of a spath I can think of, since spaths oppress us with lies.
The power of words! truth vs. lies. Amazing!
Ox & Roses ~
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for such kind words of encouragement. If not for this site, I would have probably checked myself into the Psyche Ward (thought I was going nuts).
And YES…..I totally agree, that 2 minutes of the paralyzed state in the store is a far cry from the 24/7 that I dealt with for 7 years (constant fear of abandonment, mindgames, twisted words, etc). It took most of the afternoon to pass, but then it was off to the SB Party and I didn’t have to think about it again. No longer a 24/7 thing….THANK GOD!
He did and said so many things to me over the seven years that I couldn’t decifer a damn thing. He could have told me the sky was red and even though I could look up and see it was blue, somehow my mind would fight itselt and say yep, he’s right, its red. Or his ex-wife or son would text me on HIS phone pretending to be him and say things to me as though they were him. JUST F-ing MINDGAMES! And he would find it funny. “Oh Schnoodle, where’s your sense of humor”! The whole bunch of them HIM, HER and their 12 year old TURD. They all are Spaths. That scares the shit out of me to know that my mind could be so bent and twisted “in the name of love”. Us “normals” have a real hard time understanding the Spaths non-chalant way of life. No cares in the world, financially or in a relationship. Easy come, easy go. Irresponsible. The biggest hurdle I had to overcome, giving up on trying to understand all of this, because you can’t from a normal perspective.
The more I type the more I DESPISE HIM, HER and the TURD!
HOLY SMOKES THAT FELT GOOD TO GET OFF MY CHEST! Thanks guys. THIS IS SO LIBERATING! I FEEL LIKE TAKING OFF MY BRA AND BURNING IT! Oh wait, that was a different era, but you get my excitement, don’t you?
Snoodle,
Reading your post, I just took mine off and got a bonfire goin..so one…. two….. three….. lol!!!!
Now I’ve heard of some bizarre shit, but how is it that she was joining in the games against you this way? So why in the world was he with you when it appears he was “with” her? WOW, that’s a super hard one to wrap MY brain around!!! THat’s just effing weird!!!
My exPOS daughter is a doll. the son is ODD. Turning out just like his bastard of a father. So sad really,. but eh, not my issue.
I totally get what you’re saying about the fear of abandonment, mind effing, word twisting games!!! UGH!!!
You’re gonna be great snoodle! Hang in there!
RB
Sky,
YES I”VE NOTICED THAT!! OH BOY!!
Thanks for the link, If you have anymore you’d like to share, please post!! I LOVE quotes!!!
What you said is so true. Truth instead of lies. I need MORE truths!
RB
Roses,
it isn’t surprising that 2 spaths would get together to pull a 7 year con on an unsuspecting woman. That’s the part that you still have not internalized. When there is a spath involved, you have not participated in a “love-triangle”. It wasn’t REAL. The spath isn’t real. The love wasn’t real.
Your experience was no more real the One Joy/Step’s experience. Just because you actually had a warm body next to you, doesn’t make it real.
In Snoodle’s case, both husband and wife are spaths, so spath wife isn’t going to feel jealous, she will feel – UMM… WHATEVER SPATHS FEEL – who knows what convoluted logic or emotion drives them?
Your emotions were real and the POS’s wife’s emotions were real. He played those. But nothing about HIM was real. It wasn’t a love triangle. It was a CON, pure and simple. And the payoff? YOUR PAIN AND HERS. pure and simple.
So resolve, Roses, to not give him any more payoff. Do this by removing yourself from the con.
SKy
The triangulation doesn’t surprise me. I DO believe spaths love that and actually CREATE it. There could be several triangulations going all at once. Story of my life with spaths and N’s, I just have never heard of it with a man/wife sort of spath team conning an OW for cheap emotional thrills? Money? Okay, using her for material possessions, Okay! But for just emotional drama?
Forgive my shock. Just never heard of it before.
RB
It’s ALWAYS about emotional drama. They FEED on it. That is why we leave feeling so fucked up. We just don’t GET it. Who would DO that?
The only reason they will take your money is for the extra pain that it causes. They don’t even want your money, they just don’t want YOU to have it.
They are so much more dangerous when they work in groups. And they OFTEN DO.
That is what has left me so shell-shocked: the realization that there are soooo many out there.