Forgiving oneself for making bad choices is never easy, and I know there are authors and posters on LF who are true experts in the area of self-forgiveness. But let me come at this from an angle slightly different than my usual Lovefraud fare.
It’s often just plain hard to bust a flat-out liar and deceiver. And it’s often suprisingly easy to effectively flat-out lie and deceive. Let me say this again: it’s pretty easy to live a life of deception, making it no big accomplishment to deceive the brightest, most astute, most sensitive people.
Lying and deceiving, and doing them well, even over long, extended periods of time, duping anyone and everyone in the process—again, my point is that it’s not nearly as hard to do as we might tend to think, and so it’s really nothing for the exploiter, however slick or not he may be, to feel especially proud to be so good at. Because fraud, and deception, just aren’t that hard to perpetrate.
And the converse is more important—it’s often really easy to be victimized by liars and deceivers, again highlighting how relatively undifficult it is to lie and deceive effectively, and NOT how dumb one is to fall for the lies and deception.
The truth is that few, if any, of us were raised to enter relationships vigilant for exploiters and imposters; not one of us, I suspect, ever took a formal course in how to identify exploiters and other sundry disguised frauds in the context of “intimate” relationships.
This just isn’t something any of us goes to school for; it’s not something any of us expects to experience; and so, reasonably, we think we have much better things to do with our limited time than to strive to become experts at imposter-busting.
Seriously, how many of us really want to spend our precious little time in this short life in the paranoid, depressing undertaking to become, if it’s even theoretically possible, skilled at unmasking exploiters?
Sure, there are professions one can enter if this is one’s bag—to bust imposters. But marriage and intimate relationships are not “professions.” We assume, with statistical support behind us, that it’s unlikely that the individual we’ll become (or have become) involved with is likely to be a pathological liar and deceiver.
Of course we know anything’s possible, but it’s still, statistically, a low enough risk not to compel our constant vigilance, anymore than the risk of contracting relatively rare forms of malignant cancers should necessarily compel our vigilance and dread.
Now some pathological liars may be excellent at their exploitation skills, but more often than not they are just good enough exploiters to perpetrate fraud successfully for the reasons I’ve suggested.
Does this abdicate us of our duty to heed signs that may, sometimes, be discernable? Of course not. As I’ve written in prior Lovefraud articles, we want to give ourselves the best chance possible, against odds already stacked against us, to bust deceivers and imposters. And as I’ve written elsewhere, sometimes those signs are present, because many exploiters are really not so good at disguising signs of their venality, and some of them are, in fact, really pretty bad; and sometimes, for many possible reasons, we do a poor, ineffectual job at recognizing and heeding those signs.
But it’s also true (and it’s the emphasis of this article) that often these signs are not present, or not obviously present enough to overcome the basic (and I would argue, healthy) state of trust with which we enter intimate relationships. Because again I note: for understandable reasons, we simply don’t enter these relationships naturally suspicious of, or vigilant for, corruption in our partners.
We simply aren’t on the lookout to be exploited, and for this reason, as I’ve suggested repeatedly, this gives the exploiter an enormous edge for, by definition, he is preying on the least suspicious of his potential victims—those who love him.
Consequently this makes him ultimately cowardly, incredibly cowardly, not his victims foolish or gullible. Let me say this again—this makes the exploiter incredibly cowardly because, among other things, he is preying not on gullible fools (as he may perceive, contemptuously, his victims to be), but rather on those who have entered into a relationship with him on a natural, healthy pretext of trust (thereby making them the least challenging, the easiest, victims to defraud).
This reminds me of the bonding exercise in which one partner, demonstrating trust in the other, agrees to fall backwards in the faith that the receiving partner will catch and protect her. This isn’t gullibility at work but rather natural trust and faith she is risking that her partner will catch her, and not let her fall and injure herself. The exploiter in this analogy as if goads his partner into falling backwards and then, instead of catching her, as she should reasonably expect he will, he lets her drop and so injures her badly. And she, the victim of his deception, is left to feel shocked, betrayed and wounded.
Staying with this analogy, she, the victim, may not discover how treacherously her partner has let her fall this until much later, as the horror of his history of lies and deception begin, shockingly, to emerge.
And so I suggest to all who have been betrayed and exploited by perpetrators of fraud, especially (but not exclusively) in the context of an intimate commitment, I say to you, cut yourselves some slack, some serious slack. You are not naïve. You are not gullible.
We live in a world which makes it relatively easy for exploitive personalities to injure others. If we were all paranoid, living in a paranoid mindset, this might limit our risk of exploitation; but most of us, thankfully, are not paranoid. We are not living in a mindset of vigilance to be screwed-over by others, especially those we rightfully deem least likely to hurt us.
This confers the advantage to (and all shame on) the exploiter—and should leave his victims comfortable in their ultimate dignity and innocence.
(This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Dear Hope4joy,
Well, glad to hear that you are finally taking some action….it will be rough, but in the end it will be worth it to be loose from the bear trap you have been stuck in.
If you have to co-parent with this creep (can’t remember if your kids are his or just his steps, sorry, CRS) but I remember your daughter is creeped out by this man, so she will at least be away from him…the courts usually won’t insist a kid that age (or a step) go “visit” so you will be modeling good decisions for your daughter and she won’t have to put up with his learing looks.
Steve – I read a quote recently: ‘People go out on a limb, because that’s where the best fruit is.’
I was looking for adventure and fruit. Found both; just not the type I thought I had. When I first found out the real identity of the evil one, I was relieved. First, I knew who she was (and she wasn’t a group as represented to me); I knew where she lived and that it was unlikely she would come after my physically for reasons of health, distance and historical behavior; and I recognized that I had been conned by a pro with decades of experience of running similar cons.
I had figured out she was a spath, before I knew who she was, and that she was one and not many. Who else creates characters, defrauds people of love and intimacy; kills the characters; and then resurrects them? who could do that? only one lacking a conscience and who ENJOYED doing evil works in the world.
so, cutting myself some slack – hmmm, where am i at with that now? I find that I talk about killing her a lot. (I no longer fantasize about that as i did in the first months – trying to find a way to kill her in my mind that satisfied whatever part of me that was so obsessed with the idea. i found ‘a way’ and the obsession stopped.) Now, that would suggest killing her would stop my talking about it, but, umm, that’s not really an option. unfortunately.
Want to interject here: I am being treated for PTSD – neurofeedback.
i can be QUITE dark in my humor about her. quite. a really new experience for me – i have always shied away from even sarcasm. i can laugh with lf posters, as we tend to do, and it would scare outsiders i suspect…but i am waaay darker than before…like the diff between batman 1 and 2. odd, but accurate analogy. i can’t do a damn ting about her. i can’t even stop the scam she pulled on me (i am trying). and i see the batman analogy is a good one, because i really do want to be an avenger. i don’t have legal recourse, and the thought of killing her is the only way I can avenge the situation – this is the thought of a person who sees she holds no other power. i will not reveal myself to those she still cons. i have contacted them, but will not tell them who i am. i am protecting myself. i need a mask…a real one, black, two eye holes; and a silver daggar or semi automatic weapon. humor: dark.
cutting myself slack – i move slowly back into ‘life’ there are a lot of challenges; many i don’t meet head on. I am overwhelmed with challenges. and i have this darkness within me – and this is where i most need to get straightened out, and give myself some slack. you see, it is this dark avenger who feels most focused and togehter in a way. i almost feel like i am a criminal – i am careening around in the ‘normal’ world trying to not fall down, but there is all this stuff inside me, and i see the badness in people like never before – and i feel my inner world is crashing out into my outer world. i actually showed someone my teeth yesterday – sure wasn’t a ‘smile’ that i flashed her after she had been rude to me and my staff for the fifth time –
Hey Constantine! You’re in the house. Right on…
Thanks for the B-Day wishes BTW. Ya know I knew instinctively that you must be a Libra. What gave it away is the love of the romantic notions of yesteryear. You and I sound like two peas in a pod. Happy B-Day to you as well. 🙂 I did do something pleasant for myself. I had an hour and a half full body massage. Ahhhh….
Hit the big 40 huh? It’s not a bad thing for a man in our society. For us gals it’s like the kiss of death (to some-once you hit that wall and recover, it’s pretty good). Like a gallon of milk that has passed it’s expiration date! haha..so be glad that the gray hair will make you look distinguished not just “old” . I may take some slack when I say this (but then what else is new? 🙂 ) but I tell my boys to be glad they were born men-that women get the sH*& end of the stick in so many ways. That is why we were known as the “weaker sex” in those romantic older days. Truth is about those days if I were in those times, I’d be a slave. Not so romantic when I look at it from that lens.
Was reading an article by Paulina the Russian supermodel (retired- now 40 something) and she was bemoaning the same issue. She then went on to make a rather strange comment. She said something to the effect that nobody notices her anymore meaning “young guys” and she is invisible like a brick in the wall. I felt like giving her a brick to the head. She is right to some degree ( that we women become invisible when we age) but at 40 who in their right mind wants to be noticed by “young guys?” I have sons and well, that sounds sort of like pedophilia to me.
In my opinion, the best revenge is to look the best I can even in my fifties. I work out and weight train several days and don’t gorge myself on food anymore. I practice calorie restriction which is different than calorie counting. Knowledge is power and so is looking one’s best regardless of biological age (compared to chronological age). I’ll be damned if the spath is gonna look better that I do (and I don’t mean the aging George Clooney) especially not him! ha ha..
I am very curious. What is your story? I know you have mentioned a spath ex. Something about her being like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown. What happened? I am sure you know that we LF’s love a good spath story. We commiserate and it is very healing for us.
regards,
Adamsrib
OneStep:
I think it is a good thing that we can come here to LF and have the dark humor and talk about our wishes to see the ex go up in flames (whether literally or figuratively). It’s a very important component of the healing process.
We know that 99.9 % of the posters here are real folks who have suffered from an encounter with a spath and we don’t judge. Sometimes we do get righteously angry (as some have pointed out lately) and that’s ok.
I’ve realized this past few days that yes I do need to cut myself some slack as Steve points out. As long as I am on a path to genuine healing (mental and physical therapies) and I am in touch with reality, then it is VERY OK to express dark humor!!!
I myself just don’t like to cross the line to where it becomes offensive to visitors who may be genuinely seeking information. I think then we could become counterproductive as a source.
I appreciate your posts very much!!
AR
One steppers,
It’s so nice to hear your voice, you have had so much pain that sometimes your voice is muted. Even if there is a lot of dark humor, at least your talking about it.
About a week ago, I was really hoping that hubby would get in a motorcycle accident and perish. And not be in a wheelchair (I might oil the wheels at the Grand Canyon), but really dead. That’s not me, I have never wished death on a single sole. Not even narcissist father. Not on first husband. He was just a covert narcissist and harmless, couldn’t keep down a job and drank.
But this crap, totally new. No one can prepare you for the amount of crazy you feel. Sock puppet with muliple identities? Sick stuff. Somehow they get away with it because they can SEEM normal.
Last year, when I found out spath was on sex chat lines, I’m like WTF? We were having sex every other day, sometimes once a day. I was trying to figure out what was wrong and maybe I needed to be more ‘active’. Little did I know he was doing side activities. He would come home and seem normal. What is normal about that in a monogamous marriage? Not a damn thing, that’s what. People who respect their spouse don’t pull that crap. Makes me feel like sh*t as well. Used and gross.
That is what those creeps do, screw up our normal. Thoughts of death are our unfortunate side effect. One step, it will start to ebb. You may never feel like the same person but you will be better. I’m so thankful for LF because you guys really get it. I was lucky to have a therapist that pointed out his emotional abuse, narcissism and toxic interactions. She said she has been conservative! The other psychologist was obtuse at best but I am calling him to give him a piece of my mind. The old me would never do that.
I understand your dark thoughts, keep working through them. The journey of healing will take you where you need to go. Just wish it were a bit easier! You need to forgive and let go. Not for anyone else but yourself. Cut yourself some slack!
When I look at people at the store or at school and wonder what their story is, I wonder if they have ever been in such a mind altering experience and I feel like I am almost alien. Like I don’t belong because of the unreal nature of this. Could never believe that a father who loves his daughter would ‘flirt’ with her and objectify her, hug her creepily from behind only when I’m out of the room. Never could happen to all those normal people out there. Makes me what to puke!!!
Yet again, he jokes and acts normal.
There Are so many good post on this page, I love reading different perspectives people take on cutting ourselves some slack.
After I found out that my ex was the devil, I was outraged, angry and wanted revenge. then I immediately realized that that was a game I could not win. To win, I had to be better than the p, not just like him. I realized that my pain was coming from a wounded ego. And that it would continue to hurt as long as I hung on to my ego and outrage , so I prayed to saint michael the archangel– that helped a lot.
I think That the socio is someone who is acutely aware of injustice and unfairness in the world and they want to be the ones dispensing the injustice. That’s why they cheat everything they do. So they slime us with their own feelings because they want us to feel as bad as they do. They want us to seethe with rage. I refuse, if for no other reason than I won’t give him the satisfaction. And its not enough to pretend, I’m determined to feel gratitude every day, that is my focus. Whoever said that a good life is the best revenge, mustve encountered a socio because seeing good people lead happy lives really burns them. Delta said That we didn’t value ourselves enough to see that we had something valuable that someone evil might want to take – our very goodness was it. This is evidenced by the fact that they went after our hearts. So that is the lesson we gained and if we can keep our hearts pure, then We have a net gain. And if we realize this, then the gain grows exponentially with our gratitude. Ahhh, I just made myself feel very happy with my own words!
Dear Skylar,
Thank you so much for your post. I really needed to hear that!! I too am a big believer in Saint Michael the archangel. I know we don’t agree 100% in our theology Skylar but hey anyone who calls on the name of Michael is right on in my book!!
When you say that we need to keep our hearts pure. My sentiment exactly. This is what I work on everyday.
Funny thing is that when I talk about love for peace and my dislike of negativity, I get “grey rocked”!! If I remember correctly aren’t you the one who posted awhile back that you were being accused of being a spath?
Maybe the old man in the gym has me paranoid, I am feeling triggered these days, but I get the strange feeling that because I speak my mind (always with respect) I am being “questioned” perhaps not in words but in silence. Seems like some on here can feel free to speak exactly what they think but when I try to say my peace, I am ignored.
I am thinking I may have to email Donna and give her phone numbers to my former boss and colleagues in Northern Ireland so people can know that I am legitimate. I have no qualms about that and also contact info to my places of work too. I am an open book but maybe because we have all been victims it is easy for us to “see spaths behind every bush”.
Thanks for listening Skylar.
Adamsrib
Dear Adamsrib,
No one on here IMHO doubts you–and if my joking remark about “calling No. Ireland” made you think I doubted you, I am very sorry. No one here is disrespecting or doubting you in the least as far as I can see, but you obviously feel that is the case. Each of us has a unique back ground and past and stories. I’m sorry that you feel “ignored” on here when you speak your piece.
It is normal to feel triggered when someone backs you into a corner and disrespects your boundaries. You also mentioned that you were somewhat afraid to cause him to go into a rage (can’t remember the exact words) but I understand that feeling—when you have dealt with violent people in any capacity or lived around or with them, we become super sensitive to “causing” them to go off by simply standing up for ourselves. It is that “don’t rock the boat” mentality that we have been trained to have.
The old deal of “don’t tell Child protective services that your dad has been fondling you because then YOU will destroy the family”
or
“let’s pretend we’re a nice normal family”
or
“what would the neighbors think if they knew”?
The jerk (whatever his diagnosis is) at the gym is crossing your boundaries—which is an act of violation—of aggression on his part.
You do NOT have to have a “reason” to not talk to him. Where does he get off thinking you OWE HIM ANYTHING?
You asked for suggestions and I gave you mine, and others did too. So I do hope you don’t feel ignored. The decision on how to handle it best is, as always, yours to make.
AR
If it ever seems that I’m ignoring you please understand that is not the case, I love your posts. But sometimes it’s hard for me to get online because of my living situation.
I hope it is not the case that you are being greyrocked on certain posts. We Are a sensitive bunch around here But our etiquette is not always perfect And that can lead to hurt feelings. My post above also was not meant to negate or chastise any one elses feelings of anger. I certainly understand feeling angry is a proper reaction to the spath. My post was more about moving on, not getting stuck in that stage, which is where the sociopath is stuck. He chose to feed the dark side, rather than the light. I know u get that already,AR, but your post reminded. Be about how we can be misunderstood when we post so I wanted to clarify.
When I was accused of being a spath, it was outright, it was not grey rock, it was 3 people calling me a spath. One of those people really hurt me because I had liked her very much and I miss talking with her. But we can’t force people to like us back, not even on LF. There are enough kind people here, such as yourself, who do humor me and my rantings, so that I will get over the disappointment of being rejected by one person. I hope you will always feel welcome by me.
Dang squirrel!