By Ox Drover
One of the first things I learned in nursing school was to correctly diagnose the problem before trying to fix it. I wish I had applied this lesson to my own personal life as well as I applied it to my professional life.
We were taught that when there was a perceived need, for example, when the patient was feeling short of breath, to assess why the patient might be feeling short of breath. Was the airway obstructed? If the airway was clear, then what was another likely cause of the problem? Sometimes a patient who is very anxious will feel very short of breath when they are actually getting plenty of oxygen, (as measured by a “pulse ox—”a little gismo that you clip on the patient’s finger and it tells you how much oxygen is in the patient’s blood). Or they will say “I can’t breathe!” when they really mean, “My nose is stopped up.” (If they are talking, they are breathing!)
So I was trained to look at and evaluate the situation, and only then to start to evaluate a plan. Once I had a plan, I was trained to carry that plan out, and to reassess if the plan was helping or not. Just good common sense.
Sometimes victims feel a perceived need; they feel that something is wrong with them. They are “hurting” and unhappy, but they aren’t sure what the problem is, or what is causing the pain and unhappiness. I have been in that same situation; I was hurting from my relationship with the disordered personalities around me. I had a need for love, I had a need for caring from those whom I cared about, but my need was not being met, therefore I felt “short of breath” but didn’t know what was causing my feeling of “suffocating.”
In my pain, in my lack of “oxygen,” I tried everything I could think of, almost at random, and nothing seemed to make me feel any better. I kept suffocating and like a person drowning, I flailed my arms at anything that floated by that might give me support.
I begged my abusers to help me, told them how I was suffering and suffocating, but though they told me they loved me, and I wanted to believe they loved me, their attempts to explain my pain as my own fault didn’t help me. I tried the things they suggested, but nothing worked. No matter how I tried to please them, I always failed.
The punishments they inflicted on me for my failures didn’t make me feel any better either, and I continued to spiral downward until I was critically ill. Still they didn’t seem to perceive how I suffered, or lend me any support.
One day, when I was critically ill, totally beaten down, with barely an emotional “pulse” and in more pain than I had ever imagined was possible, I realized I had not been using “common sense” to stop my downward spiral. I realized the only way I could stop the pain, stop the progression of my life’s downward spiral, was to use the good sense to diagnose the real problem before I started to fix it.
If a patient had come to me and said, “My foot hurts,” I would have looked at the foot and if I saw a thorn, I would not have said “well, let’s give you a pain killer to help your pain.” I would have removed the thorn, the obvious cause of the problem, before doing anything else. If the problem had not been so obvious, if perhaps the foot was tender, red and swollen, I might have taken a blood test to see if there was an infection. I would have asked if the patient had a thorn in there a few days ago, or if they had fallen, or dropped something on it. I would have worked my way down a list of questions that would have helped me get to the real cause of the problem. I would not have just thrown medication at them without knowing what the real problem was.
Why did I try to fix my own pain without finding out what the root cause was? How did I think the “shot gun” approach of just “shooting off in some direction” was going to help me to feel better, to get my life back on track?
Once I backed off and looked at specifics, looked at what the pain was, and what was causing the pain, and realized that as long as I did not take care of the root cause, did not remove the “thorn” from my foot, all the antibiotics in the world would not cure the problem, all the pain killers in the world would not stop the pain. The problem would continue to get worse if I did not take care of the cause of the problem and remove from my life the things (and people) who were inflicting the pain upon me, the infection that was killing me by inches.
Sometimes, the “cure” for our pain involves very extensive “surgery” to remove toxic and malignant “tumors” from ourselves, it might even involve “amputating” someone who is so dear to us we can’t imagine going through life without that person. I had to “amputate” my psychopathic son, and my enabling mother, both of which were traumatic operations for me, and for a while made me feel as if I had no legs, and couldn’t walk ever again. I have found though, like the Bible says, “If thy hand offend then, cut it off” is pretty radical but good advice, and sometimes cutting off a member of our emotional “bodies” is the only way to survive.
Surgery and medical treatment is sometimes painful, and we may want to delay “treatment” because of that potential pain, but I am here to “testify” that life without the malignant people is much, much better!
Dear Gemini,
Of COURSE you would be strong enough to say NO, or even strong enough not to pick up the phone.
You know the TRUTH, she might even say the “words” of “I’m so sorry” but you know she would never MEAN THEM.
I too kept giving and giving and they kept taking and taking, and demanding MORE. Now after a couple of years NC with my P-son, i realized that I lived a FANTASY that in the future he would come “home” and things would be peachy! DUH!
I look back and realize it was NOTHING but my FANTASY—I was living in OZ, in La-la Land, in DELUSIONAL HOPE!
God also gave me another son, to replace the empty space in my heart, and I am so grateful for that. I realize that FAMILY is who you love and who LOVES YOU BACK…not “blood.”
Keep strong, Gemini, enjoy your newfound family and children and revel in the love they have for you, and the love you have for them. (((hugs)))) and God bless.
Excellent! I’m in the process of having to conduct major surgery on my Borderline Personality daughter who just married a sociopath and then announced that she’s pregnant. Oh, joy. Grandparents and my husband are the major enablers. This is major surgery!
Dear Eagle,
The duped enablers in the family are what I call “psychopaths-by-proxy” in that they keep up the PRESSURE on you to do what the psychopath wants….in your case the BPD dtr.—and it is a situation where you are caught between the “devil and the deep blue sea.”
I have a cousin who has a BPD daughter and an enabling husband, and it was very difficult for years because he kept enabling the dtr, but my cousin finally worked it out, and SHE disengaged from the daughter totally (NC) and let the husband have HIS relationship with the dtr but NOT LET HIM try to guilt or force her into having one. As she put it, she “let go, and gave it to God.” but stood her ground firmly.
Many times this comes to a “head” at christimas and other holidays when the enabler wants to have this Norman Rockwell All-American “happy” Christmas gathering and YOU are the “bad guy” for not wanting to participate in it.
This crap with the guilting has turned me away from even enjoying holidays much any more, though last year I did put up a tree and a wreath! My egg donor whined and cried and guilted about me not wanting to have Christmas dinner with her brother, UNCLE MONSTER, to the point that I just went elsewhere for Christmas and Thanksgiving.
The “blackmail” that the enablers do is so painful, the “If you love me, you will do what I want you to about _______” CRAP and BS, and it is difficult to SET and MAINTAIN BOUNDARIES because they will NEVER give up on this guilting!
I was caught in that web for SO MANY YEARS and did not know how to set boundaries with people I loved (primarily my egg donor and my P-offspring.) NOW I KNOW THAT NO ONE has a right to treat me that way, to black mail me, and insist that i do something painful to myself.
I NOW REALIZE THAT IF THEY TRULY LOVED & RESPECTED ME, they would NOT try to force me to do something that is SO VERY painful against my will. Setting boundaries was VERY difficult at first, but I am getting much much better at this and have little problem setting bondaries for ANY ONE now. I treat people well, and I EXPECT they treat me as I treat them.
Oxy: you are priceless. Excellent article.
Even when these people guilt us [where is their guilt over WHY we don’t come?] into holidays or various ‘gatherings’….and we give in thinking/hoping this
time it will be real….it always turns into a huge drama and game because that is just the way these people are…the very root of who they are. I always have to repeat this to myself when cornered or being guilted into another ‘scene’.
This article gives me a lot to think about. Thanks Oxy. I’ll post more and some questions once I have let it marinate for a bit.
Thank all of you for your posts and comments. I learn so much from them. And yes- like everyone else I find myself going “Is it me?? Could he really be a sociopath?” I mean he can “act” nice sometimes and do nice things- but he betrays me over and over-his words are meaningless. His apologies even more meaningless! But I want those apologies so much! How crazy am I???
They just make you crazy! They do it to isolate you and control you. In a book I read it even said something about tell your friends “if you have any left” about your situation. Wow- it took me twelve -yes thats ten plus two more years to figure out that I am married to a sociopath!!! I used to have friends! I always had friends- but now- I have very, very few friends. One of the reasons is that they sabotage you behind your back and spread lies about you. I used to not believe it. But since it has happened to so many people here on LF I know they do!!! I have even caught him in one of his rumors that he helped to spread!! It was a total lie! They will ruin your reputation to make themself look good no matter what the cost to you. Partly because they want the sympathy from other people- Oh look how good he is to her- she is such a mess. And- well no wonder he cheated on her- she is such a crazy bitch!
So here I am tempted to catch him in his own net so to speak. You have to think like them to get what you want. I want to catch him in some lies, situations and use that to get out of this relationship with SOME of what I had when I came in it! Like credit, money, dignity. Anything. He has taken so much from me and there is not enough forgiveness in this world to get totally past it.
I know he won’t honor any agreements post break up so I am considering offering him an agreement of sorts.
That is – if he agrees to pay me for my share of the equity in the house and refinance it and pay me my half of his retirement that he does owe me- I won’t expose him to the world as a complete fraud. He would lose his job, his reputation if it all got out. He stands to lose a great deal. You see I have actual proof. I have spyware on my computer and complete access to cell phone records- it’s in my name. It would make my life easier to have some financial strenghth to start over.
I know that’s blackmail, extortion etc. whatever! What he has done is far worse! This may be my only way out- and I want OUT! I don’t care who he ends up with!!! I want to get my revenge in the form of cash money! I think he would pay his way out. Or do you think he will find another way out??? You all have more experience than I do. His family HATES me- because he has told them lie after lie about me. He borrowed money and wouldn’t pay them back and blamed it on ME! He got the money-not me. But he is the golden child in the family and I think they would pay for him to “get rid of me” and “get out of their lives”.
Should I do that? Do you wish you had?
I want him exposed but feel that this will happen anyway because he will slip up again and I won’t be here to clean up his mess.
It is so hard living this way. I am so exhaused all the time! Lucky for me he works a lot! Well sometimes he just stays late so he can call his girlfriend. At least I’m not having sex with him anymore! I’m not having any sex with anyone! I am too stressed out!
BTW- OxDrover- the holidays!!! OMG I totally know what you mean! They want the illusion of the perfect holiday and we are supposed to put up with them and their “psychopaths-by-proxy” relatives!! I hate Christmas because of him and his fffd-up family.
Katiebug, do not blackmail him. He will kill you. He will hire a hitman, run you over, poison you or whatever. They don’t have a conscience so there is nothing to stop him.
You can only blackmail him after you have left him and concealed you whereabouts.
But there must be a better way. They are not that hard to trick, find a way that will not get you in any kind of problem. Get a lawyer, a mean, nasty one.
I know right!? That’s what I’m afraid of. I know he had access to a gun his dad owned at one time. His dad is a drunk so he wouldn’t notice it missing. It sends chills down my spine when I think about what he is really capable of. He got custody of his kids from his ex-wife (first marriage). I think he did it just to WIN! He never cared about his kids. He still doesn’t care. He just pretends too. He pretends to care about me too. I have taken him off my life insurance as any kind of beneficiary because if he does do something-he won’t get much. My daughter knows what’s going on. She is 20. I told her I would never leave her. I would never kill myself and all that. These are not easy conversations to have. I am afraid of him and you’re right- he would try to kill me. He has always been jealous of me. He has let himself go and I haven’t. Thank God for that. But he has told me that if he ever saw me with another man- he would kill us both.
I already know where I want to move and that I don’t want him to know where I am- ever!
I did hire a nasty lawyer- he was nice to me- he really wanted to “get” my husband- said he was crazy! His license has been suspended for unethical conduct!! Can you believe it??? All this time I waited to go see an attorney and the one I pick is all but disbarred? And he was a really nice guy! I wonder what happened. Now I have to find another one. I guess I better be totally honest about the abusive nature of our relationship.
Thank you for your advice. I really appreciate it and I REALLY need it!
katiebug:
I think you know him best…..and you should get to know him better……
study him, do not react, but take everything In…….disect it…..this will aid in keeping you safe in the long run.
I was at a point where I just couldn’t let him bury me further…..
I wasn’t going to step down…..
I wasn’t going to let him intimidate me…..kill me…..I ain’t afraid of dying!
I posted this recently….
Now….this isn’t for everyone…..and once you commit to the long haul…..YOU MUST STAY Commited…..PERIOD!
You take a stand in either direction.
Sometimes the fear they instill in us is so penetrating it’s paralyzing and this is what they bank on.
Give this some thought……
weigh the options
I like what you have done so far…….
decide if the ‘goods’ are a total shut down for him…..
I love the cell records….don’t take that out of your name! Key tool there!
I guess I would want to know more about your full situation….and I’m not sure if you can post it .
I think most of it is always just talk…the threats…..BUT….you have to be the judge of that……and be accurate!
What is his abuse level? History….
I look back and mine was all smoke and mirrors…..he used others as proxys’……all talk…..
SO I GOT SMOKIER AND TALKIER AND PROXIER…….
Here is comes again…..COUNTER CONTROL!!!!!
Inner sociopath…….
I let him dig his grave and I pushed him in…….
Your still with him……use this time to prepare, prepare, prepare,…..diligently…..and stealthly…..read here…..read books on divorcing a Socipath…..gain every inch of knowledge you can, but DON”T EVER LET HIM SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING……
PLAY HIM…….Keep providing him a supply…..while you plan your exit.
IS your husband a ‘gun guy’? Reality says we all have access to a gun, neighbors, family, crooks on the street……but does he know how to use a gun? Has he ever owned a gun……
Weigh out this fear…..realistically.
I mean, there is no sense in worrying that Jamaca will blow up the US with a nuclear bomb…….see the point?
Dont expect to win each battle….but keep your eye on the prize….the war!
Mull it around…..and weigh the options…..and in hte meantime……PLAN AWAY GIRL!!!!