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Debating empathy and evil

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April 13, 2011 //  by Donna Andersen//  359 Comments

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A Cambridge professor, Simon Baron-Cohen, has written Zero Degrees of Empathy: A new theory of human cruelty. In this review, the author explains the professor’s ideas.

Read Why a lack of empathy is the root of all evil, on Independent.co.uk.

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  1. Hope to heal

    April 30, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Oh my gosh… I just had a “light bulb” moment myself!! I just realized that my mother (don’t know what disorder she has) has set me up for a huge debt once she’s gone.

    She let the banker talk her into a 30 year mortgage a couple of years back. The problem with that is the fact that she’s 74 years old and is leaving the house to me. How in HE – double toothpicks am I suppose to handle paying 2 mortgages??? WTF was she thinking???

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  2. hens

    April 30, 2011 at 1:10 am

    1step – Do not live with rage in your heart – let go of what you can not legally kill – dont feed it – starve it…

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  3. Hope to heal

    April 30, 2011 at 1:11 am

    One/Joy ~ Congrats on the job!! I hope your N dad gets his act together and has not sold the vacation property without paying you your money.

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  4. hens

    April 30, 2011 at 1:12 am

    HTH – I would take very good care of her and make sure she live’s to be 100….

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  5. Hope to heal

    April 30, 2011 at 1:30 am

    LOL ~ good one Hens! She seems to be healthy, physically anyway. As far as mental health… mine is much better when I stay AWAY from her. Watching her cater to my younger brother makes me want to PUKE!

    We live almost 6 hours drive apart, so that’s pretty easy. I guess I’ll just have to deal with the house issue when the time comes, if the hag doesn’t outlive ME. LOL

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  6. skylar

    April 30, 2011 at 3:44 am

    Hope to heal,
    I’m glad your husband was able to glean some wisdom from my hell. Problem is, these concepts are sooooo foreign, so unfucking believable, that pretty soon the light bulb goes off – even for me. The bulb needs to be re-lit, over and over again for a NORMAL human to come to terms with it.

    I mean think about it. We all know that slaves existed throughout history. Why don’t people know or understand the mindset that NECESSARILY MUST go with slave ownership? Why do people ask how Hitler’s Germany could have happened, and how the Rowandan massacres could have happened, but nobody asks – with any serious inquiry – how SLAVERY could have happened in the country that was established to be the home of the free? Sick, sick, sick, puke, puke, puke.

    Anyway, that isn’t what I was gonna post. I was just gonna suggest vitamins for your mother. Vitacost.com has wholesale prices. And they actually do WONDERS for your health (Mega vitamins kept me healthy while my spath was poisoning me for 25 years!). Keep that woman ALIVE!!

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  7. skylar

    April 30, 2011 at 4:03 am

    I was at Barnes and Nobles today.
    Went to the best seller section to look at prices on the last of the millenium series. too expensive.

    then I saw this book:
    I walk alone by Mary Higgens Clark
    http://www.amazon.com/Walk-Alone-Mary-Higgins-Clark/dp/1439180962

    I read the first sentence of the review and already knew who did it. And so does every other LF reader here. If you don’t, go back to first grade:

    “In I ll Walk Alone, Alexandra “Zan” Moreland, a gifted, beautiful interior designer on the threshold of a successful Manhattan career, is terrified to discover that somebody is not only using her credit cards and manipulating her financial accounts to bankrupt her and destroy her reputation, but may also be impersonating her in a scheme that may involve the much more brutal crimes of kidnapping and murder. Zan is already haunted by the disappearance of her own son, Matthew, kidnapped in broad daylight two years ago in Central Park—a tragedy that has left her torn between hope and despair.

    Now, on what would be Matthew’s fifth birthday, photos surface that seem to show Zan kidnapping her own child, followed by a chain of events that suggests somebody—but who? Zan asks herself desperately, and why?—has stolen her identity.”

    It’s such a typical spath story. Before I understood my spath, I would have been flumoxed. now it’s just par for the course. It’s how they work. They get up close and personal so that when you suffer they can be next to you, feeling your pain. sick, sick, sick, puke, puke puke.

    Well I didn’t buy the book, I just read the last chapter to confirm. So even this best selling fiction author knows exactly how they work. Interesting.

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  8. Ox Drover

    April 30, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Sky, all you have to do to know about psychopaths is watch a soap opera on TV, or read the Greek Tragedies, or just about any serious play ever written, and many movies…..LOL 99.9% of the evil on this earth caused by people is caused by psychopaths LOL

    It is DRAMA.

    Hope2heal, Well, when she dies, put the house up for sale and pay off the mortgage and if there is any money left (and there may not be) then you can have it. The house will be part of her estate and any money owed on it will have to be settled (unless your name is also on the mortgage) in which case YOU are left on the hook. Good luck.

    Yea, sounds like she is trying to make herself look good and obligate you….”but I left you the house, dear, so you owe me to look after me.” LOL Welllllll, yea, she left you the house—ALONG WITH THE DEBT. LOL Some bequest, right? Let her use the mortgage money to support herself and hire caregivers.

    I took care of my step dad and my egg donor not for “money” but she accused me of trying to steal her money….well, she has all her money which she can pay someone to take care of her. She never paid me, but when I quit doing it she was shocked and surprised that she couldn’t lure me back with money. She doesn’t realize that NO AMOUNT OF MONEY is attractive to me when it comes to putting up with that kind of carp! I’ve often said I’d live in a cardboard box and eat out of a dumpster before I would take a dime from her and I would. The ONLY thing I want out of this farm is to be able to recoup the money I have put into it myself, and to be able to sell my own home, that I built and paid for and I can’t do that until after she passes away because we put it all into a big trust…but I have my Fifth wheel RV that is nice and comfortable so it beats a card board box if I do have to leave here and can’t sell out and I have enough to eat, and friends, enough to wear, clean water to drink, and I am BLESSED no matter what happens with her. She does NOT control me, and she is the loser not me because I have in fact, lost nothing except my ILLUSION and FANTASY that my egg donor cared about ME. She lost a daughter who would have done anything for her, not for money, but for just a pat on the head.

    YOu know though, there is something she said, way back when, that has bothered me and I still am not sure just what it means.

    Back at the time my step father was living and my egg donor had had surgery, and her belly incision broke open, I had 2 hospital beds set up in her home side by side, I was working 2 days a week, but the other 5 I was taking care of them, their medical needs, over seeing the house hold, trying to keep my own family fed and taken care of etc.

    Egg donor was telling me (and sometimes in front of other people) just how WONDERFUL I was and how I took such good care of them, but then she would say “But what will happen to YOU, Oxy, there won’t be anyone to take care of you when you get old like us…there won’t be any Oxy for you.” It was phrased like she was concerned that I would be all alone and abandoned by my kids who wouldn’t want to take care of me. At that time C was married to the P who didn’t like me, son P was still in prison of course, but son D was even there helping take care of daddy and egg donor…he would come over and sleep at their house the nights that I had to work the next day and if one of them needed something that wasn’t a medical thing, he would get up so I could rest up for work.

    Egg donor made this comment MULTIPLE TIMES and in of course a CONCERNED voice….but you know, I think she was somehow trying to make me feel bad, to make me worry about my own future, and insult me….she was NOT concerned about me because it is like saying to someone “Oh, I sure hope you don’t get cancer and die in a few years and suffer and suffer, because you of course it runs in your family and you have a high likelyhood of that happening.” as a way of “comforting” them. LOL

    That comment was always a WTF? moment….and I guess I will never really understand what she was doing except trying to make me feel bad or make me feel unloved. Or put a curse on me.

    Odd thing though, is that the curse she put on me is one that seems to be coming home to her roost, with the fact that she has ONLY hired caregivers and the one person who WOULD have been there, out of a feeling of responsibility if nothing else she canceled my power of attorney, so that also took away my RESPONSIBILITY to be there as well. Funny how those things happen.

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  9. Ox Drover

    April 30, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Sky, I went to Hastings yesterday and they had a big rack of $1.99 books and I came out with a huge sack of them….my stack of to-be-read books is about 4 feet long now….and I am in the middle of another good one about empathy and psychopaths not having it…GOOOOOOOD book, I was gonna send it to a friend when I finished it and did a review for LF but gonna have to order one for my friend instead, I can’t let this one out of my library on Ps….got another couple of books by this same author in the pipe line too she is AMAZING!!!!!! Her life story reads like a super woman! Her writing is GREAT! Anyway that’s what happens when a book-a-holic who is “off the wagon” (me) gets to a book store! I’m going to have to have my son get on my computer and BLOCK amazon and B&N and keep me away from Hastings. LOL

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  10. lesson learned

    April 30, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Ox,

    I want to read the book you’re reading about empathy and psychopaths not having it. So you won’t reveal until you’re finished reading and post a review?

    LL

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