There can be different perspectives of the sociopath (and other seriously exploitive personalities). These perspectives can offer different experiences of these disturbed individuals. At the same time each perspective offers, I suggest by definition, both a somewhat advantageous and yet limited view of the sociopath.
Living with a sociopath, or finding oneself involved deeply in a “committed” relationship with a sociopath, will offer an incomparably intimate experience of the horrors that sociopaths can inflict on their partners.
Clearly no one, and that includes the so-called “experts” on sociopathy (clinicians and researchers, for instance) will be able to appreciate the impact of the sociopath, on this level, like the partner who has lived with, or been closely involved with, one.
This close, personal relationship confers upon the partner of the sociopath a certain knowledge of sociopathy and, I stress, a certain intimate experience of the sociopath that no clinician or “expert” can possibly approximate; thus, the sociopath’s partner’s experience is surely a unique one, qualifying him or her, from this particular intimate vantage point, as really the ultimate “expert” on sociopathy.
Now thankfully I’ve never lived with a sociopath, a fact which also happens to limit my experience with sociopathic personalities—specifically, in this case, the experience of having lived with one, and had my life razed by one.
In this sense my, or anyone’s, clinical experience of sociopathic individuals—just like one’s clinical experience of any individual—is limited by the structure of the clinical relationship. It is a relationship with boundaries provided inherently, so that the clinician or researcher (unlike the sociopath’s partner) is for the most part protected emotionally and physically from the sociopath’s most damaging, hurtful, violating behaviors.
On one hand, the protection to which I refer—again, a protection that’s inherent in the clinical setting—clearly limits the clinician’s capacity to fully experience the sociopath; on the other hand, the very structure of the clinical setting may enhance the clinician’s ability to apprehend aspects of sociopaths that may elude the sociopath’s partner, because he or she—the clinician— again unlike the sociopath’s partner, in operating within a structure of safety and protection, can observe and study the sociopath more freely and through a much wider lens.
The clinican is afforded the chance to observe and study sociopaths’ attitudes, their interactions, their styles, their variations, their differences. And, of course, not just one of these individuals, but many.
And so the clinician’s experience with sociopaths, while less rich and informative in some important ways than the partner’s experience of the sociopath, in other ways yields him or her different, additional opportunities to grasp how sociopathically-oriented individuals think and act.
And yet over and over again, I note it when a Lovefraud member points out, “But what do YOU know? Or what does HE know? You (or HE) never lived with a sociopath!”
And my response, whenever I read these comments, is to agree with them wholeheartedly. They are entirely valid comments and speak a truth that all so-called “experts” on sociopathy should heed well: those who have lived with the sociopath possess a certain knowledge and experience of the sociopath that is not only unique (as I’ve suggested), but non-attainable to a clinician in any sort of safe, protective clinical setting.
In this sense, or certainly in many respects, the clinician has much more to learn from the sociopath’s partner than the other way around.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Here is a direct quote from the spath…..
“people don’t want the truth they want lollipops !were americans we live in this fairytale world Ignorce is bliss!!!”
Essh! I sucked on that fairytale lolliplop for how many years??? It took me a loooong time to finish.
WhyMe,
I’m gonna have to google personality bifurcation on the internet, finding out what it means. My h-spath has displayed emotions, to me, not being completely devoid of them. However, most of the time, he comes across as cool, calm, and collected.
ErinBrock,
I remember my h-spath telling me (and he even told the therapist this) that he tells me what I want to hear, not understanding that all I or anyone wants is the Truth. Unfortunately, the therapist never pursued this further, getting to why he misleads people – he gets what he wants and still keeps people “happy” in his life, giving them what he thinks they want.
Here’s another classic socio quote:
“If you are going to go digging for dirt, you’re probably going to find some.”
My advice is if your gut is telling you something is not right, then GO DIGGING FOR DIRT!!!
And take lots of wheel barrows, because the sh** is probably going to get high.
Rosa my fave is jeffy daumer: (to his father upon his arrest) ‘I guess i really messed up this time, didn’t i?’
Rosa,
My h-spath has told me that he fired someone, but I guess it doesn’t stick because countless times, I’d see the fired employee back to work before long. One time, he told me that an employee had quit, making the odd statement, “good, ’cause then I don’t have to fire him.” What does that mean? If an employee needs to be canned, you do it. Guess what, this employee is back, working part-time for the h-spath and another business. The yo-yoing of employees is nuts.
Blujay.
Spath would say about our clients…..when someone wasn’t happy with him…..he’d say….Oh well, there’s more where they came from.
Discard.
And sick enough….at that time….the hayday…he was right.
NOW…..it’s a whole different story…..except he’s still got the same mindset.
He applies it to all facets of his life……theres more where they/that came from.
One person cuts him off……he just grabs the next in line holding the worm infested lollipop.
Since we separated/divorced……his demographics have widened to include the entire US……since he can’t keep his mask on and worm hidden, long enough to con ONE person. He’s gotta keep moving before they get to the tootsieworm middle.
ErinBrock,
The former business (where he had two partners) is successful, being one of the larger landscaping businesses in our area. He left the business (I now think that he was doing sneaky, underhanded things while he was there) because he wanted to be solo, being the single boss. That hasn’t worked out as he planned. If I had a business, I wouldn’t want to him running it. He literally drives me nuts.
EB:
It wasn’t that I didn’t want a comment (and I was actually glad to see yours this morning, thank you) but I needed to post and felt perhaps that you and Oxy especially
would be tired of seeing me here again, still without no contact. And that would be understandable and I get your comment about ownership of sh-t, it’s the thing that
hurts me the most in accepting the truth of my own part in all this – and also for failing to get across my feelings to the person I’ve cared – and still care about. I’ve
needed to just close the door on this relationship, best for both of us – he’ll get busy (or not) with his life and I can tend to things in mine I always seem to put on
hold for him or others.
Basically – I know this site is for dealing with the fact you’re in a relationship with someone who takes advantage, doesn’t listen to reason, and will reduce to you
to extreme exhaustion. It just turns out in my case, there have been many other life situations adding fuel to the fire and I’m ok, I’m dealing with it best I can.
I went over and served a bunch of tennis balls at the court last night – Rosa will get it – felt good. Went to library and at book sale area, there was Pia Mellody’s book
Facing Love Addiction for fifty cents – I had just told myself not to read anything more, get back to reading real novels or something not related to beating myself
into self-improvement submission. But I felt God kind of put it there for me…so started reading it last night, the switching of roles of being the love addict and being
the avoidance addict sure applies (to both he and I).
So just wanted to say thanks to Oxy and to you Erin for your comments after all – I actually did want them. I think I did just need a major hug.
Perse:
TIRED OF SEEING YOU HERE?????
Listen up…….if your hurting, your welcome, if your healing your welcome….if your doing great after the ‘tornado’….your welcome here at LF, if you just wanna tell us what you had for dinner last night…..we are here to swap recipes too! 🙂
We all learn and support each other after the devastation from a spath. We are survivors walking the path together. The journey is Not just about ‘yesterdays’ sociopath…..it’s how we move along from the hit. Good/bad/ and indifferent.
NC is great! A super accomplishment!!!!
You’ve got a road bump, you need a hug……WE ARE HERE!!!
(((HHHUUUGGGGSSSS)))))) to you my dear!!!!
XXOO
EB