There can be different perspectives of the sociopath (and other seriously exploitive personalities). These perspectives can offer different experiences of these disturbed individuals. At the same time each perspective offers, I suggest by definition, both a somewhat advantageous and yet limited view of the sociopath.
Living with a sociopath, or finding oneself involved deeply in a “committed” relationship with a sociopath, will offer an incomparably intimate experience of the horrors that sociopaths can inflict on their partners.
Clearly no one, and that includes the so-called “experts” on sociopathy (clinicians and researchers, for instance) will be able to appreciate the impact of the sociopath, on this level, like the partner who has lived with, or been closely involved with, one.
This close, personal relationship confers upon the partner of the sociopath a certain knowledge of sociopathy and, I stress, a certain intimate experience of the sociopath that no clinician or “expert” can possibly approximate; thus, the sociopath’s partner’s experience is surely a unique one, qualifying him or her, from this particular intimate vantage point, as really the ultimate “expert” on sociopathy.
Now thankfully I’ve never lived with a sociopath, a fact which also happens to limit my experience with sociopathic personalities—specifically, in this case, the experience of having lived with one, and had my life razed by one.
In this sense my, or anyone’s, clinical experience of sociopathic individuals—just like one’s clinical experience of any individual—is limited by the structure of the clinical relationship. It is a relationship with boundaries provided inherently, so that the clinician or researcher (unlike the sociopath’s partner) is for the most part protected emotionally and physically from the sociopath’s most damaging, hurtful, violating behaviors.
On one hand, the protection to which I refer—again, a protection that’s inherent in the clinical setting—clearly limits the clinician’s capacity to fully experience the sociopath; on the other hand, the very structure of the clinical setting may enhance the clinician’s ability to apprehend aspects of sociopaths that may elude the sociopath’s partner, because he or she—the clinician— again unlike the sociopath’s partner, in operating within a structure of safety and protection, can observe and study the sociopath more freely and through a much wider lens.
The clinican is afforded the chance to observe and study sociopaths’ attitudes, their interactions, their styles, their variations, their differences. And, of course, not just one of these individuals, but many.
And so the clinician’s experience with sociopaths, while less rich and informative in some important ways than the partner’s experience of the sociopath, in other ways yields him or her different, additional opportunities to grasp how sociopathically-oriented individuals think and act.
And yet over and over again, I note it when a Lovefraud member points out, “But what do YOU know? Or what does HE know? You (or HE) never lived with a sociopath!”
And my response, whenever I read these comments, is to agree with them wholeheartedly. They are entirely valid comments and speak a truth that all so-called “experts” on sociopathy should heed well: those who have lived with the sociopath possess a certain knowledge and experience of the sociopath that is not only unique (as I’ve suggested), but non-attainable to a clinician in any sort of safe, protective clinical setting.
In this sense, or certainly in many respects, the clinician has much more to learn from the sociopath’s partner than the other way around.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
oxy – it’s not that i need to bury him – he doens’t exist….it’s an anniversary reminder of the trauma that i was going through this time last year. i have had this expereince with the PTSD through all of the milestones. i have a couple of more to go through.
it makes me look sideways waiting for this criminal bitch to show up again. it’s not longing…it’s fear.
OxDrover;
Thanks for the reminder and believe me, my sociopath radar is on high alert. At AA meetings, ultra high alert. The other day, this one guy was talking and he mentioned that as a child, he would catch insects pull off their legs and antennae. The went one to say that “today, this may be viewed as a little sociopathic…”
At AA meetings, “cross-talk” and commentary upon others is frowned upon, but you could here me across the room “a LITTLE sociopathic?”
He also fits my early “hipster” warning: too many tattoos, large open-center post earrings, generally dresses in black…
Those are easy for me to spot. I have trouble with the “chill”, sometimes shy, guy next-door types.
But even to that my guard is up for *any* similarities between the x-spath and new guys I meet. Even the one last night, who I like, already has my guard up:
1) He sees me at the meeting, comes over to me says hello and mentions that he remembers me from Tuesday’s meeting across town.
2) Five of us go to dinner, and Josh spends most of the time talking to me, at times very intently. however, there are times I feel ignored.
3) I learn he is currently working in a food store, albeit a high-end one. I find this very curious, since he comes across quite intelligent. When I learn he went to an Ivy-League school and has an architecture degree, I am at first relieved. In retrospect, I this is a big red flag, especially since he does not have any long-term goals.
4) Admitted history of drug and alcohol abuse, along with a vague allusion to promiscuity.
5) He is a shy, 30-something “twink” who admits to frequent isolating at home.
6) When we leave the restaurant, I walk with everyone to the Subway. Despite all of his earlier attention to me, Josh heads into the Subway without even a wave goodbye.
While I am not ready to declare Josh as sociopath or even toxic, my guard is up.
Dear Persphone,
(((((HUUUUUUGGGGSSSS)))) Sugar if we only “saw” people who were perfect here, this page would be blank.
OK, so you threw yer’self a bit of a pity party, you named everything that you need to do different, but you’re not ready yet…well that’s okay too…for today, and maybe for tomorrow, or the tomorrow after that, but you’re learning, you’lre growing and you’re gathering strength!!!!
Of all the places in the world you NEED to be it is HERE!!!! (((Hugs))))) xoxoxx Oxy
BBE.
Don’t fall in to a trap of thinking that all Ps are just like your last one, or over analyzing someone’s behavior either.
Personally, for me, I am VERY cautious about AA folks, and it is a PINK, if not red flag, for me, as I have met many “dry drunks” even ones I got STUNG by after learning to trust them.
Maybe there might be some other groups besides AA, the internet or clubs in which you could go to meet some friends (not necessarily gay folks) and just widen your circle of friends.
There are lots of places to volunteer or special interest groups that are glad to have people. Just meet PEOPLE who share some of your interests to widen your group of friends and things to do.
Thanks again EB and Oxy – you are the best…I appreciate your taking the time to respond.
I have my boys (son and grandson) here at house this morning, good feeling. My son put roof down on rented convertible and I drove back with my hair blowing
all over in the wind, my son had radio cranked up and little guy fell asleep – we made smoothies here and it’s a beautiful day outside. Pity party over…My son’s
resting now too so I’ll get some time in studio. Trip out of question right now, my son can’t lift anything over 10 pounds and grandson’s mom has to work today
and tomorrow.
One quick thought to BBE – perhaps it would be best for you not to get involved with anyone at AA right now (my second husband was recovering alcoholic and he went
intermittently to AA while I went to Al-Anon) – everyone is there because they have life and probably relationship issues to address and just need to work on that and themselves. It’s hard not to feel attraction, especially when they are people with a similar issue you’re dealing with – I think the hardest thing is knowing you have to work on the primary relationship of the one with yourself and knowing that’s one that takes a fair amount of solo time, that’s where I am – again!
Persphone,
You are right “it takes a fair amount of solo time”—–healing takes time ALONE where you can talk to yourself and THINK and FEEL. I think that is why people who jump back into another relationship right after a bad one usually don’t fully heal is because they don’t get that “solo time”—
Glad you are feeling better and enjoyed the time with S and GS. and your alone time too! (((Hugs)))))
Wind blowing in the hair……time in the studio…..your two ‘boys’ by your side……
Is there ANYTHING BETTER?
Enjoy it~
Dear Whyme and friends,
You requested some info on bifurcation. Let us just call this “splitting”.
The sociopath is profoundly detached emotionally. This detachment alienates him from himself, ie. his true self, and from the humanity of others. Socipaths do not experience a bond, they are not capable of higher social emotional states, empathy, loyalty, reciprocal pleasure.
What you see is the sociopat pretending he has a bond with you. He does not experience grief, only rage. If you want more please let me know.
Friends,
A murderer convicted of killing three women in a brutal fashion, was described as the “kindest, most thoughtful, generous and example of the finest human being imaginable.
this must be explained!
Kalina, I am sure he SEEMED to be all those things in between killings, but …..he was never any of those things.
If we see someone do something “kind” we tend to apply “kindness” to that person as a WHOLE when in fact, it one instance (or even hundreds) of instances of “kind” behavior does not mean that the PERSON IS KIND.
Ted Bundy appeared to be a good friend, when he was not raping and murdering young women—-was he a good friend? was he a murderer? which one was THE Ted Bundy?