There can be different perspectives of the sociopath (and other seriously exploitive personalities). These perspectives can offer different experiences of these disturbed individuals. At the same time each perspective offers, I suggest by definition, both a somewhat advantageous and yet limited view of the sociopath.
Living with a sociopath, or finding oneself involved deeply in a “committed” relationship with a sociopath, will offer an incomparably intimate experience of the horrors that sociopaths can inflict on their partners.
Clearly no one, and that includes the so-called “experts” on sociopathy (clinicians and researchers, for instance) will be able to appreciate the impact of the sociopath, on this level, like the partner who has lived with, or been closely involved with, one.
This close, personal relationship confers upon the partner of the sociopath a certain knowledge of sociopathy and, I stress, a certain intimate experience of the sociopath that no clinician or “expert” can possibly approximate; thus, the sociopath’s partner’s experience is surely a unique one, qualifying him or her, from this particular intimate vantage point, as really the ultimate “expert” on sociopathy.
Now thankfully I’ve never lived with a sociopath, a fact which also happens to limit my experience with sociopathic personalities—specifically, in this case, the experience of having lived with one, and had my life razed by one.
In this sense my, or anyone’s, clinical experience of sociopathic individuals—just like one’s clinical experience of any individual—is limited by the structure of the clinical relationship. It is a relationship with boundaries provided inherently, so that the clinician or researcher (unlike the sociopath’s partner) is for the most part protected emotionally and physically from the sociopath’s most damaging, hurtful, violating behaviors.
On one hand, the protection to which I refer—again, a protection that’s inherent in the clinical setting—clearly limits the clinician’s capacity to fully experience the sociopath; on the other hand, the very structure of the clinical setting may enhance the clinician’s ability to apprehend aspects of sociopaths that may elude the sociopath’s partner, because he or she—the clinician— again unlike the sociopath’s partner, in operating within a structure of safety and protection, can observe and study the sociopath more freely and through a much wider lens.
The clinican is afforded the chance to observe and study sociopaths’ attitudes, their interactions, their styles, their variations, their differences. And, of course, not just one of these individuals, but many.
And so the clinician’s experience with sociopaths, while less rich and informative in some important ways than the partner’s experience of the sociopath, in other ways yields him or her different, additional opportunities to grasp how sociopathically-oriented individuals think and act.
And yet over and over again, I note it when a Lovefraud member points out, “But what do YOU know? Or what does HE know? You (or HE) never lived with a sociopath!”
And my response, whenever I read these comments, is to agree with them wholeheartedly. They are entirely valid comments and speak a truth that all so-called “experts” on sociopathy should heed well: those who have lived with the sociopath possess a certain knowledge and experience of the sociopath that is not only unique (as I’ve suggested), but non-attainable to a clinician in any sort of safe, protective clinical setting.
In this sense, or certainly in many respects, the clinician has much more to learn from the sociopath’s partner than the other way around.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
ChinaGIRL!
We know that walking until your feet were bloodied was the SANEST thing you could do under the circumstances!!! That therapist is COMPLETELY unprofessional–marriage counselors are not supposed to “take sides” it sounds like they were in cahoots. Have you thought about lodging a complaint against him? It’s no surprise crazy man tried to plant seeds to discredit you. I hope you have allies, those you know you can trust, those who can see through him game. My sister in law, BFF and maid of honor at my wedding to spath/N told him, “you better not hurt her” before we got married. I thought it was a cute BFF/little sister kind of thing–I never could have imagined–I trusted him so completely. I think it was kind of a warning to me in some subconscious way. I think she is doing her best not to believe the lies he tries to tell about me and spread the truth. I am so glad I have her, but I am still a little wary my new motto: trust but verify). I use some of his tools in my favor now. I plant seeds now. I let people know the truth that way and I do it to under cut his game, but I do not talk badly about him when I can help it. I let his actions speak for who he is. He is careful now (going through Divorce) but he can’t be for long and people will see him for who he really is. Where are you in the process?? Hope all is well. Fearless!
Totally random advice.
I started using the below confindentiality note to EVERYONE I send emails to (its my signiture on all emails)…..it’s another layer of protection in case a spath or unintended person gets ahold of ANY of my emails.
Now…..OR down the road.
NO email can be used in court with the notice below, unless they were the intended recipient.
Sometimes spaths will have trojan ‘mutual’ friends or family forwarding email s you may have confided in them about. etc….
Or they have hacked your computer or have a keystroke logger on your machine. Or simply have the password to your computer and email account. CHANGE THEM PEOPLE!!!!!! Change all passwords every few months….and not somethign tricky like your name and birthdate!!!! Please!
It backfired on my sociopathic tenent, because he forwarded an email of mine to an attorney….random one….to try and scare me. The attorney, seeing my note below, wrote me back and said….gentlemen….I do not know who these parties are, nor do I wish to be involved in this matter. HA! He had a legal requirement to notify me that he was NOT the intended recipient of my email.
**Confidentiality Note: The preceding e-mail message (including any attachments) contains information that is either confidential, protected by applicable legal privileges, or constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete the message from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful.
EB… Great advice for everyone!!!!
I’m going to use it!
Looks like it’s been quiet here tonight…
just us west coast peeps awake now, or
perhaps gem is around somewhere 🙂
I know Chic…..the graveyard LF shift has been very quiet the past few months……
I kinda miss our late night banter 🙁
Ok, here’s a recipe:
Perse’s latenight meatloaf…
Good Hamburger – preferably organic, not too fatty
1 clove garlic chopped
Fresh cilantro chopped
Red onion chopped, some celery too
1 egg, beaten into submission
Dash of black olive juice – and maybe a few olives chopped if you like them
sea salt and black pepper
1-2 pieces of bread, used a good organic sourdough wheat tonight, rubbed between hands – should crumble nicely
Good dashes of McCormick Montreal steak seasoning and also used ‘Tuscan Villa” seasoning
from World Market – has sage and thyme primarily in it
small dollops of horseradish mustard and barbecue sauce
Gush(Goosh?) these all together – I patted mixture into a glass baking dish with lid and baked 45 min. at 350 degrees. Tried just a taste and think it should be good for sandwiches tomorrow!
Ok, no banter, just the beef.
Bon soir.
YUM!
None of my kids can eat red meat….which leaves me in the steak dust!!!!!
I do a lot of ground turkey…..but it’s NEVER as moist as a good ground.
Love the cilantro in this.
Erin:
Try the ground turkey (or I’ve used Lamb but it’s pretty oily already) and add just a little olive oil, actually I forgot, put a little in meatloaf tonight. And if you
like any kind of olives, I always save the juice and add to broths or sauces or whatever – probably could add to the turkey along with a little oil and that would
cure the dryness.
Off to bed, have to pick up the boys in my convertible again tomorrow, will wear my very large sunglasses, perhaps a scarf…
I tried something very tastey the other day…take angel food cake and tear it into small pieces – toss with fresh raspberries, blueberries and blackberries – drown with balsamic vinegar – top with whipped cream – trust me it’s wonderful…
If the convertable is a Bugatti……careful with the scarf! 🙂
Have fun tomorrow…..
Hey gang!
Ive just made an Italian pasta dish for the first time, its called “Whores Pasta” -“-Pasta Puttanesca”, Putane is Italian for tart, or whore.
You need,–
spaghetti, 4 garlic cloves, peeled and chopped fine, 1 small tin anchovy fillets. smll jar of capers in brine. 1 fine chopped onion 2 chillis chopped fine, bunch of parsley, ditto.lemon juice, olive oil, tin good quality peeled chopped tomatoes.
Cook the spaghetti in boiling salted water till “al dente”. Drain and put in a large oven dish.
Fry the ch. onion., chilli,sprig oregano, one of thyme, garlic,in olive oil till onions are soft. Add the tin peeled tomats. the chopped anchovy fillets, capers, to taste. the chopped parsley.,one teasp. sugar, juice half lemon.Cook sauce till it bubbles.Pour sauce over the freshly cooked pasta, stir in. Serve with shaves of fresh Parmesan cheese, or Pecorino. Serve with a crisp green salad and garlic bread,{home made of course!]
My salad Vinaigrette.
Xtra Virgin olive oil, balsamic vinegar,{Modena is the best, home of Pavarotti!} juice half a lemon,
{proportions,double of oil, half of balsamic, quarter of lemon juice} heaped teasp, grain Mustard,level dessertsp. sugar,sea salt, black pepper, fine ly ch. garlic clove.
Whisk all together, Pour over fresh salad greens just before serving.Enjoy!! We are what we eat, and what we think! So we may as well eat well, and aim for spath- free thoughts! Bon Appetit!!Heres to us!
Mama gemXX