There can be different perspectives of the sociopath (and other seriously exploitive personalities). These perspectives can offer different experiences of these disturbed individuals. At the same time each perspective offers, I suggest by definition, both a somewhat advantageous and yet limited view of the sociopath.
Living with a sociopath, or finding oneself involved deeply in a “committed” relationship with a sociopath, will offer an incomparably intimate experience of the horrors that sociopaths can inflict on their partners.
Clearly no one, and that includes the so-called “experts” on sociopathy (clinicians and researchers, for instance) will be able to appreciate the impact of the sociopath, on this level, like the partner who has lived with, or been closely involved with, one.
This close, personal relationship confers upon the partner of the sociopath a certain knowledge of sociopathy and, I stress, a certain intimate experience of the sociopath that no clinician or “expert” can possibly approximate; thus, the sociopath’s partner’s experience is surely a unique one, qualifying him or her, from this particular intimate vantage point, as really the ultimate “expert” on sociopathy.
Now thankfully I’ve never lived with a sociopath, a fact which also happens to limit my experience with sociopathic personalities—specifically, in this case, the experience of having lived with one, and had my life razed by one.
In this sense my, or anyone’s, clinical experience of sociopathic individuals—just like one’s clinical experience of any individual—is limited by the structure of the clinical relationship. It is a relationship with boundaries provided inherently, so that the clinician or researcher (unlike the sociopath’s partner) is for the most part protected emotionally and physically from the sociopath’s most damaging, hurtful, violating behaviors.
On one hand, the protection to which I refer—again, a protection that’s inherent in the clinical setting—clearly limits the clinician’s capacity to fully experience the sociopath; on the other hand, the very structure of the clinical setting may enhance the clinician’s ability to apprehend aspects of sociopaths that may elude the sociopath’s partner, because he or she—the clinician— again unlike the sociopath’s partner, in operating within a structure of safety and protection, can observe and study the sociopath more freely and through a much wider lens.
The clinican is afforded the chance to observe and study sociopaths’ attitudes, their interactions, their styles, their variations, their differences. And, of course, not just one of these individuals, but many.
And so the clinician’s experience with sociopaths, while less rich and informative in some important ways than the partner’s experience of the sociopath, in other ways yields him or her different, additional opportunities to grasp how sociopathically-oriented individuals think and act.
And yet over and over again, I note it when a Lovefraud member points out, “But what do YOU know? Or what does HE know? You (or HE) never lived with a sociopath!”
And my response, whenever I read these comments, is to agree with them wholeheartedly. They are entirely valid comments and speak a truth that all so-called “experts” on sociopathy should heed well: those who have lived with the sociopath possess a certain knowledge and experience of the sociopath that is not only unique (as I’ve suggested), but non-attainable to a clinician in any sort of safe, protective clinical setting.
In this sense, or certainly in many respects, the clinician has much more to learn from the sociopath’s partner than the other way around.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Yes they do commit suicide and yes they leave notes blaming you. I have one from my mother.
There are suicide support group numbers. Go to this page and click on your state.
http://www.suicide.org/suicide-support-groups.html
Camom:
I’m so sorry for your pain. This is NOT your FAULT!!!!
Do not own his actions. As we say here all the time, you can’t control others actions. You do know this to be true.
It was his last ‘word’, his last ‘say’, his last effort to control you. He wanted you to own it, be responsible for HIS actions…..HE WANTED THIS…..but you have a choice about deflecting this and seeing it for what it is.
He is a sick man, you couldn’t help him.
You could of spent the rest of your life enableing him, and that is all it was. It wasnt’ healthy for you…..or him.
A healthy person would not have done this. You are left ‘holding’ the bag……put the ‘bag’ away and try to collect yourself. Be thankful he didn’t take you with him.
You are alive, you are a caring person with empathy…..ofcourse you’d feel pain over this…..BUT DON”T OWN IT!
Allow yourself to process this pain, and allow peace into your life now.
My heart goes out to you, you were on my mind all night.
XXOO
EB
CAmom,
I just read your post and cried. So heartbreaking. You are not at fault, responsible for someone else’s choices. In my mind, Michael was not well – erratic, unstable (mentally unbalanced). We do have to take care of ourselves. It’s all so hard, incredibly sad. I am very thankful that you are safe. You will be in my prayers.
Dear CA Mom,
DArlling I am so sorry that this man chose this horrible option….and the thing is, SUICIDE WITH ADVANCE NOTICE IS THE WORLD’S WORST FORM OF VIOLENCE AND EVIL TOWARD ANOTHER PERSON….it is destroying yourself in order to make another person suffer. It isn’t about you, it is about HIM CONTROLLING you, the ultimate price to pay to HURT SOMEONE ELSE. You did not do this. HE DID.
I think right now you need to seek professional help and comfort, Never again’s link to suicide.org support is fine, but see a therapist a minister, or someone close to you. (((((Hugs)))) and God bless you CA mom. This is NOT something that YOU caused.
ps. do not let anyone even his family put the “blame” on you for HIS actions. As far as his estate is concerned, just b ecause he left you “all his worldly goods” does not mean you must accept them. Donate them to a domestic violence or suicide group entirely. Don’t even look at them. God bless.
Dear Steve,
I agree with you that professionals can’t know how it feels to be a victim of one of these disordered people, yet, if they study them, they can learn a view of the disordered people that we (as victims) may not see.
Last summer when I took in the “homeless” victim, I decided I would keep a “clinical” distance from her, and I made an effort to do just that, and for the most part, I Was able to accomplish just that. When I started to see that SHE was DISORDERED rather than being the “victim” she posed as, I was not sucked into the drama and the emotional turmoil of being her victim, but rather looked at it more dispassionately as a clinician. I think this was the first if not the only episode where I was NOT emotionally involved with the psychopath to some extent, at least where there was not something of importance to me that they held sway over–even if it was only material or my job, etc. This woman had NO power over me or anything I valued.
Observing her totally dispassionately was a new experience for me. It was an eye opener! Looking back over it, I think that total lack of “caring” for her performance as she tried desperately to get me to pity her must almost be what the psychopath feels (or actually, DOESN’T feel) when we beg them to stop torturing us. When we try to elicit pity from them.
Good and thought provoking article, Steve.
Kim—I totally understand what you were saying about the comment the guy made to you. They are really good at pretending what they said was “misunderstood” and what a “horrible person” you were to take it in such a “dirty” way—you must have a dirty mind to think that way. LOL
Oh, yes, they are cute! About like a rattle snake!
CAmom,
I’m so sorry for your devastating loss. Michael Schuller made a choice and He took his OWN life and YOU said it….who would blame you for that in a letter? someone unwilling to take responsibility for their own fate… Someone heartless enough to try and drag you with them…leaving his skeleton in someone ELSES closet…unacceptable in my view
This is NOT YOUR FAULT…my sympathy is with YOU and my thoughts…you have been through enough.
My advice would be to understand you are in shock and it’s very hard to make important decisions in this state. Is it possible therefore to put off any decision making until you have had some time to process this? get as much support as you can, keep talking here if it helps. Bless. x
Yes, not even clinicians can really touch base with the actual baseness of the sociopathic experience. Once the sociopath enters your spiritual sphere it’s difficult to come across in therapy as anything othr than a weaklling in a chain of dependent mascochistic women clients. It takes an astute female or male professional to share your confusion that is the Fog of your mind long enough to call a Spade a spade. Up until then this nightmare is just your husband, son, daughter friend, mother, father, boss etc.
Dear Kalina,
Steve is fortunate that among the many professionals on this blog he has NOT been targeted. Being a professional does NOT keep us from being sucked into their webs. There are many therapists, at least one psychiatrist, and many nurses who have been sucked in and are here as former victims of these disordered people.
Some how I think I thought (as a professional) that somehow knowing (something) about these souls kept me immune from the devastation of their attacks.
I happened to watch the Dr. Oz show the other day where he was telling people to get screened for colon cancer. He at age 50 had gone in for a screening (feeling like it was really unnecessary) and when a pre-cancerous polyop was found he felt so VULNERABLE where as before he had felt NOT vulnerable because he KNEW all about colon cancer.
Knowing about snake bite does NOT keep us from stepping on a snake! Knowing about psychopaths doesn’t keep us from falling prey to them. Knowing about lifestyle and cancer doesn’t keep it from attacking our body no matter how “healthy” we live. WE ARE HUMANS TOO and we are just as vulnerable as any human.
However, when I was being evaluated by a mental health practitioner that I had REFERRED many patients to, and I was on the WRONG SIDE OF THE CLIP BOARD I felt humiliated and lower than whale carp, or a broken BP blow-out arrester.
I sat there wondering what “kind of nut case does he think I am?” I felt so disempowered because I couldn’t just “shake this off and go on.” I would never have expected a patient of mine to just “shake it off” and “get on” but I sure did expect myself to.
I KNEW WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME, but how COULD it be wrong? I knew what it was, why couldn’t I just “get over it?”
Being kind to myself and tolerant of my failings as a human being, and taking care of me, those have been my biggest hurdles. I can be kind to others almost instinctively, but being kind to myself is a big challenge.
Learning patience and kindness is easy as long as I apply it to others. Learning patience and kindness toward myself. A bigger task, but one I am working on.
I gave up psychotherapy. Three years ago when I was going to a turmoil of emotions with my ex-sociopathic partner I decided to see a therapist to help me understand and go through the chaos that was my life back then. After I finished telling him my story and expressed everything I was feeling at that time the therapist calmly said and this are his (therapist) words:
“It is better to be with somebody than alone; I should try to see the positive side of the relationship and ignore/work on the negatives and try to be happy, because eight years in a relationship it was a long time just to throw down the drain and I should give it another chance”.
When I left his office I felt helpless alone and frustrated. He called me to book a few more appointments to help me work on his views but I never went back to see him again, and that’s when I started looking for ways to help myself to find a way out and fortunately found this website, which for me it was my therapist.
Dear Changedforever,
THAT GUY WAS/IS a quack. Any “therapist” who would say to a client that “It is better to be with somebody than alone” is a FRAUD.
End of discussion on that in my opinion. FRAUD.
I do imagine that he made you feel so stupid, frustrated, alone, and 100 other emotions. I’m glad that YOU had sense enough to not book another appointment for his ABUSE (not therapy).
Fortunately, not all therapists are frauds or quacks… but you did well in finding Lovefraud as a therapist. Sometimes we too (all of us as a group) are sometimes a bit “wacko,” but we sure do GET IT that is for sure! And there isn’t a person here who will say that “better to be with someone than alone” we know it is better to be ALONE forever than to be with a psychopath for one second!
Glad you found your way here changed!