There can be different perspectives of the sociopath (and other seriously exploitive personalities). These perspectives can offer different experiences of these disturbed individuals. At the same time each perspective offers, I suggest by definition, both a somewhat advantageous and yet limited view of the sociopath.
Living with a sociopath, or finding oneself involved deeply in a “committed” relationship with a sociopath, will offer an incomparably intimate experience of the horrors that sociopaths can inflict on their partners.
Clearly no one, and that includes the so-called “experts” on sociopathy (clinicians and researchers, for instance) will be able to appreciate the impact of the sociopath, on this level, like the partner who has lived with, or been closely involved with, one.
This close, personal relationship confers upon the partner of the sociopath a certain knowledge of sociopathy and, I stress, a certain intimate experience of the sociopath that no clinician or “expert” can possibly approximate; thus, the sociopath’s partner’s experience is surely a unique one, qualifying him or her, from this particular intimate vantage point, as really the ultimate “expert” on sociopathy.
Now thankfully I’ve never lived with a sociopath, a fact which also happens to limit my experience with sociopathic personalities—specifically, in this case, the experience of having lived with one, and had my life razed by one.
In this sense my, or anyone’s, clinical experience of sociopathic individuals—just like one’s clinical experience of any individual—is limited by the structure of the clinical relationship. It is a relationship with boundaries provided inherently, so that the clinician or researcher (unlike the sociopath’s partner) is for the most part protected emotionally and physically from the sociopath’s most damaging, hurtful, violating behaviors.
On one hand, the protection to which I refer—again, a protection that’s inherent in the clinical setting—clearly limits the clinician’s capacity to fully experience the sociopath; on the other hand, the very structure of the clinical setting may enhance the clinician’s ability to apprehend aspects of sociopaths that may elude the sociopath’s partner, because he or she—the clinician— again unlike the sociopath’s partner, in operating within a structure of safety and protection, can observe and study the sociopath more freely and through a much wider lens.
The clinican is afforded the chance to observe and study sociopaths’ attitudes, their interactions, their styles, their variations, their differences. And, of course, not just one of these individuals, but many.
And so the clinician’s experience with sociopaths, while less rich and informative in some important ways than the partner’s experience of the sociopath, in other ways yields him or her different, additional opportunities to grasp how sociopathically-oriented individuals think and act.
And yet over and over again, I note it when a Lovefraud member points out, “But what do YOU know? Or what does HE know? You (or HE) never lived with a sociopath!”
And my response, whenever I read these comments, is to agree with them wholeheartedly. They are entirely valid comments and speak a truth that all so-called “experts” on sociopathy should heed well: those who have lived with the sociopath possess a certain knowledge and experience of the sociopath that is not only unique (as I’ve suggested), but non-attainable to a clinician in any sort of safe, protective clinical setting.
In this sense, or certainly in many respects, the clinician has much more to learn from the sociopath’s partner than the other way around.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Kalina;
I’m sorry, I am not real familiar with your ‘story’.
I thought you had a son you were thinking very toxic and were NC for your own choices.
If that’s the case, why would you communicate with him now that he declared himself ‘changed’ or showing sincerety?
I say NC….not just for now….but forever.
Forgive me if I’ve got your situation wrong.
Perse:
That sounds UGLY!
I hope his healing is as easy as can be…….
He’s lucky to have such a beautiful mamma!
EB – i was at the garden tonight and i thought a lot about you and your friend doing recon. thank you for sharing that…it’s strong, it’s real, and defies bullshit.
Dear ErinBrock,
No one has ever said what you said to me above, before. So engrossed in my illusion that my son has changed, that I experienced the Truth as a devastating shock.
I am still in shock as all of us in his family believed the Lie. I have decided not to discuss this latest truth with anyone. Indifference is really Contempt. Imagine believing indifference is really love that is just not expressed. My son hates himself but there is not much I can do to elevate his esteem if I am merely a target of his psychopathic process.
One:
Your very welcome!
I hope you got a chuckle out of that visual at least too…..cuz…..we sure do!
It was real…..and we empowered each other to keep the fight.
Her and I have shared some moments indeed.
🙂
Kalina;
As a mother, we naturally want the best for and with our kids.
This is where it gets hard to let go.
When/where/how.
It’s easier to keep believing we are ‘wrong’, maybe just maybe they have changed.
I held onto this belief with my ex spath for 28 years.
I always said….I won’t leave until I’m 110% there is nothing more I can do.
I tried.
This sort of thinking, I now know…..takes a toll on our bodies.
1 month….after I sent spath packing…..I had a stroke….week later another stroke….2 weeks later…..a disected internal carotid artery….a few months later …..Cancer.
This was the price I paid for my fantasy.
The first month after spath left…..we all agreed…..kids said…it’s so nice to have peace in our home. It was!
But….it was not to continue.
The truth…..when you hear it as truth…..IS devastating.
Allow the process.
NC is part of easing the process……it eliminates the mind games, the self doubt. It creates distance between you and the ‘fire’…..and suddenly, you can think clearly….your OWN thoughts…..not ones infused or planted in your head by a toxic person or your fantasy.
Not speaking about it doesn’t make it go away, it promotes the denial and prolongs the pain.
The one thing that finalized it in my head was learning that…..SOCIOPATHS DON”T CHANGE.
They don’t ……period.
I can’t change them, nor can you…..and they have NO desire to change themselves….because THEY DON”T HAVE A PROBLEM…..it’s everything/one else.
I apologize dear ErinBrock! Silly me! You weren’t even talking to me. I guess I was talking to myself for a change!!!!
Dear ErinBrock,
I’m devastated for your suffering. No one deserves such devotion if it results in so much pain.
Thank you for sharing.
Our selves are holy. Don’t you agree?
I live alone, except for my puppy and pussycat. I love them so much. I have clients and I love my work. I have a wonderful family but they and my children and grandchildren live out of town. I read a lot, history, psychology, philosophy, literature. I’ve always loved learning.
Nothing makes me feel so stupid, inadequae, powerless, friendless, and just plain alienated as my experiences with my Ex. and this criminally inclined son. please let me know how you are feeling as you sound like such a special lady!
ONE,
I wanted to mention to you that acupuncture has done wonders for my anixiety/panic attacks! All I’m taking is Wellbutrin, tho I did try taking Valium or Xanax for anxiety attacks right after my SP abandoned me. I found that they just made me stupid, & that the anxiety was there immediately after the drugs wore off.
Kalina,
I tried taking Trazadone for sleep, but it made me sleep Too Deeply, & I’d wake up feeling like I’d been beat up. All I use now (which is what I’d used for my chronic insomnia prior to my desertion) is 2 Benadryl & 2 Melatonin. 5 years ago when my XSP was still in prison, I was also taking Hydroxy-Tryptophan (different from L-Trytophan) & St John’s Wort, & found it worked really well. Even if Melatonin or Hydroxy-Tryptophan doesn’t *help you sleep* it does raise your seratonin, & we all need that seratonin boost! I also do 10iu of injectible B-12 every other day, & find that helps a lot with both my sleep patterns & my depression/energy levels. (& it’s very cheap at about $6 a month!)
I hadn’t been posting this wk-end becuz my boyfriend from Junior High (!!) had suddenly showed up at my door, & wanted to spend the wk-end taking me out to dinner & to hear music, & just to share…..his wife of 47yrs had died in May, the wk after my XSP left me. He was the 1st boy I kissed, on a hayride in the 7th grade, & he gave me my 1st diamond ring at 14! He’s a sweet guy, certainly no one I’d be interested in being involved with, but I at least had a bit of distraction this wk-end!
But we’d been staying out late, having a few too many toddies, & I was exhausted Sunday afternoon & had to take a nap (which is something I almost Never Do!) I was coming out of my nap when I suddenly remembered this & it woke me straight up>>>I had walked up behind my X last winter (our computers were across the room from each other), & he noticed I’d walked up….while he had a website selling beach dresses on his screen….so he turned to me & said, “I was just looking at dresses for you.” I said, “but you know, I bought like 6 new sundresses last year, & there were the 3 we got in Mx last year, so I have more than enough sundresses…..& besides, I want to wait & buy new clothes after we move there.” I woke up with a start yesterday, realizing that he wasn’t looking for dresses for me…..he was buying dresses for his other woman!!
I feel that I’m progressing a bit now, day-by-day, but these are the things that now (suddenly! too late!!) pop in my head, & make me want to email or call or Skype him in Mexico, & say, “NOW I know what you were doing TO ME for the last 4 yrs!” Of course, I can’t (since he stopped accepting any communication from me nearly 2 mos ago), but damn! I wish I had a way to VENT all the anger that keeps coming up!
I’m wondering how long you ALL have been away from your SP, & how long you think it took you to return to “normal”, or if you think you have. And also, have any of you gotten into relationships after your being betrayed by an SP?
Kalina:
I WAS posting to you above!
I look at myself as more holey than holy! 🙂
There is so much to learn in this life of ours.
Someitmes I learn…..and it just goes right out one of my holes. If it’s important info….I gotta chase after it.
It’s good you enjoy your work, what is it that you do, if you don’t mind me asking?
Nothing ‘makes’ you feel anything….its’ what we allow. We all have made mistakes in life….trusting the wrong people….
But, I firmly believe….EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON!!!
Life has a way of bringing us lessons…..if we don’t get it the first time around……it’ll be right back around again.
We must look for the lessons in everything.
I’m fine now…..go in for another 6 month check up on Wed. the bloodwork, poking and prodding.
I am just tired…..and I think this is how I will proceed in life. Tired.
Cancer was a blessing…..it all was…..If I hadn’t of gotten sick….at 39, I would have let the spath talk his way back in!
Life tends to take on a whole new meaning when you face these things.
We will ALL be fine!