“Discrimination” has come to be a dirty word. It brings to mind unfair treatment of individuals because of race, religion, gender, national origin, physical disability, sexual orientation or some other broad categorization. People have been killed, beaten, denied jobs, denied housing, prosecuted, persecuted and denigrated because of some demographic category to which they belonged.
All of this applies to one meaning of the word “discrimination.” But there is another meaning that is vitally important when it comes to sociopaths. Here are the two meanings according to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:
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Discrimination
- Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit.
- The ability or power to see or make fine distinctions; discernment.
Created equal
So far, we’ve been talking about the first meaning. In the United States, there’s always been a moral tradition against this type of discrimination. In church, we’re taught that “we’re all God’s children.” In school, we learned that “all men are created equal.”
For generations, though, the words were one thing, but practice was another. So laws were passed to prohibit discriminative behavior and to encourage redress of the violations of the past. This is generally good. Yes, some people take advantage of these laws, but the intention—a level playing field for all—is admirable and right.
I remember when this effort was just getting underway. I was a teenager when the feminist and black power movements began in the United States. When I was in junior high school, a question raging among my classmates was, “Do you believe in women’s lib?” In college, I was once asked, “Do you believe in black quarterbacks?”
Now, the questions seem so quaint that it’s hard to imagine they were seriously posed. Today’s young people don’t even seem to need the concepts of “political correctness” or “diversity awareness.” They appear to be inclusive of all groups of people. This is terrific.
But there is a downside to all this inclusiveness.
Non-judgmental
It seems that in our efforts to be non-judgmental about groups of people, we also hesitate to be judgmental about individuals.
Based on what Lovefraud readers have said in telling your stories, it seems that most of us are moral, caring, considerate people who want to live productive lives and help our neighbors along the way. We are inclined to realize that people have problems and give others the benefit of the doubt. We want to believe that everyone has good within them.
When we run into a sociopath, this mindset can be disastrous. It leads us to keep lending assistance, keep believing the apologies and the promises to change, far longer than we should.
Where sociopaths are concerned, we must discriminate, in the second sense of the word. We must develop “the ability or power to see or make fine distinctions.” We need to know the signs of a sociopath, and when we see them, get the person quickly out of our lives.
Evil people
The problem is, until we’ve tangled with a sociopath—and probably had our lives close to ruined because of one—we don’t even know that we need to discriminate, let alone how to do it.
I’ve written before that sociopaths are evil. People take issue with this terminology—it seems to have religious implications, or at the very least, convey a message of intolerance.
In The People of the Lie, M. Scott Peck, M.D., defines evil as “that which seeks to kill life or liveliness.” Evil, he says, has to do with murder—which can be either physical murder, or murder of the spirit.
This is what sociopaths do. If they don’t physically kill us, they suck out our emotions, energy and resources, until we have nothing left, not even our sense of self. They murder our spirits.
There are millions of sociopaths living among us, ready to commit this type of murder. But instead of being taught that they exist, what to look out for and when to discriminate (the second definition), we are taught that it is wrong to discriminate (the first definition).
Yes or no
Sociopaths cannot be identified by any readily apparent characteristics such as race, religion or gender. Every demographic group—men, women, rich, poor, all races, all faiths—includes some sociopaths. They can only be identified by behavior.
We need to know how to spot these evil people. The essence of discrimination, as in discernment, is learning when to say yes and when to say no. We must say “no” to sociopaths.
Tolerance is generally good for society. Sociopaths, however, do not deserve it.
“The thing is that to me talking to a sociopath and asking him any question, about why you do what you do, what do you think, etc. is to believe that even if they could tell you the truth that they would lie.”
I would hope that my answer would only reinforce what you already know about sociopaths. I would hope that you would have some sort of understanding as to how they think having been with one who gave enough away about himself that you have landed yourself here. I always make sure I understand how peoples brains tick is it only my assumption that others can do that too? Maybe that is just part of being a sociopath that I can’t understand about being human. Besides, why would I lie when it is so much more fun to tell the truth and see you react to it. I think it the case of a sociopath the truth is worse then fiction?
“How can you get an “honest” answer from someone who has no reason to tell you the truth? How can you know what someone things when every thing about what makes them what they are goes against the grain of giving you the truth?”
I’d lie to you about who I am, what I do, my age my name, my occupation but why would I lie about my thought process? The only reason I lie is for protection and kicks. I can get more kicks out of telling the truth. Plus you need to look at the vain side of sociopaths. We like to talk about ourselves. We like to flatter ourselves.
“I can remember wanting so bad to know why my Ps did what they did, but I realized eventually that they could not would not ever be honest with me. I’m not sure that they could or would be honest with themselves.”
I’d lie to my friends, family, and people in the real world but why lie to a screen name? To me all you are is a funny screen name and a few paragraphs. I need more then that to waste my time thinking up a lie.
“I think maybe it is like asking someone what it feels like to “be blonde” or “be burnette—”I don’t know what it “feels like” because I’ve always been a blonde or whatever. I don’t know how it feels NOT to be what I am. How does a blonde feel different from a brunette? Do they feel different inside?”
Dye your hair and find out…
“I can’t tell you how it feels to have a conscience becsause I’ve always had one, I don’t know how it feels not to have one. I can’t compare the two, because I’ve only been one kind.”
Here is an activity to feel what it is like to not have a conscience.
Get out your fly swatter and go swat a fly. Do you feel an remorse squishing it? It’s just a fly, it has no feelings or brain. It doesn’t matter, it was actually a pest. You may have feelings and a brain but without a conscience squishing you wouldn’t make me feel bad. Crying baby, buzzing fly same thing. Only thing that stops us is the law. I don’t like to break the law, gets you in trouble.
“I personally think that trying to get a straight and/or understandable answer from a psychopath (admitted or not) is a lost cause”to me like trying to find out which of the two men is the one that always lies and which is the one that always tells the truth.”
It is hard to get a straight answer because for some of the questions it is difficult to give an answer. Some of the questions are hard because they require a great deal of self reflection and insight. I don’t believe most sociopaths do much self reflecting. The fact that all of the sociopaths on this blog have been caught does not say much for the sociopath at hand. It proves they may not have the mental fortitude to deal with questions that require them to think. Sociopaths like to run on instinct too often to give you the answers you seek.
Cheers
To eyeswideshut re: your post on March 17th,
I haven’t finished reading this thread but I wanted to answer your question about what to do with the memories. I do not have the same history as you but I would say… maybe.. focus on you in those memories and on your children. If you were being authentic in those moments then keep that as your memory and never mind if your Bad Man was a big fat fraud.
Looking back at myself with the Bad Man and my most electified moments or even a few sweet memories… I feel kind of silly looking back at myself but still, I loved and I was loving and I had fun doing things with the BM even if he was a big jerk… I lived in Maui even if it was a nightmare.. I still did it and he can’t take that away from me. Don’t let your BM take away your memories of Christmas or anything you cherished with you family and your children.. keep it all.. just blot out him. :o)
I wonder how that might work?
Mr Green without sounding patronising I would like to thank you for your postings your frank although sometimes confusing blog has been an insight. Yes there are a million and one questions we could ask you, whether we would get straight answers is another question, a labyrinth of mind games.
What alohatraveler has asked you is a poignant question, I guess her memories are hers alone, unfortunately we cannot change our emotions because we have loved our B/M but on my part for my sanity I have to keep these emotions to myself. We all know that emotion is a thing that sociopaths cannot possess, and no you don’t give straight answers, when you are with your woman what do you think, what do you tell her, do you tell her you love her, she’s the most beautiful woman in the world, do you scheme, or are you a snake in a suit?
Having exposed my B/M of 13 years he has now gone to ground he is scared because I he knows I have found out so much about him and it may hamper his next move he is quite a well known business man.
The first week I was bereft and now having read all you have to say all I have in my mind is to move on, not forget him because for me everything was heartfelt and he played an enormous part in my life (well not an enormous part men who drive big cars generally lack in the physical area).. but it has been an education, unfortunately I have come out of it a totally different person, wary and suspicious almost cold, but not quite. And yes he is tatooed on the inside of my eyelids the only thing I have to do is imagine him at his most ridiculous, and there were some ridiculous moments he was not without humour, but had the inability to laugh at himself although there were occassions he did look stupid we all do silly things. Once again thank you Mr Green
Do you ever think of your old age, will you become a hermit and hide away somewhere or go to the elephants graveyard. I’m not sure whether I feel pity for you because you do miss out on the good things of life to a certain degree and I do think you are an incredibly lonely man, otherwise you wouldn’t spend your time on this site, most of us are drawn to it for solace, knowing that there are so many victims out there. My best friend died from cancer one of the things she said once was that she felt so isolated, do you feel isolated with your condition?
What is the mystery? When young, men want to get sex from a woman, when men are middle aged, men try to rob money from a woman, when men get old, they try to turn a woman into a free nursemaid.
Why complicate it? Just refuse to give a man sex money or free nursemaid care.
Dr. Kellog of Battlecreek Michigan, wrote married people should have sex 3-4 times a month during ovulation to concieve and then not again for 4 more years.
Many older medical and health researchers say same.
Today demon controlled, lust controlled, sex perverted, aids, std, gonnorhea, syphiliss, sti, and herpes viral infected perverted men want to bust up a womans body in childbearing and obsessive compulsive sex addiction.
Dr Kellog reccomends eating an orange for health if you have a sex craving.
Women are dying of cancers aids stds sti’s adrenal exhaustion and worse because demon controlled psychopathic sex perverted males teach obscene sex education via porn and burlesque mass media.
Older mds circa 1950 in France, measured the hemmorages, menses from a group of nuns and a group of prostitutes, the nuns hemmoraged a loss of a teaspoon of blood at monthly menses which lasted on average 2-3 days, the prostitutes hemmoraged for as long as two weeks losing so much blood they became anemic every month due to hemmorages of the uterus and blood loss.
Psychopathic men miseducate women about everything, psychopathic men are demon controlled. And if you remember….. the devil is an old illigitimate basterd man, a liar, a robber and a murderer, and the father of all liars robbers and murderers.
Bill Gates report on Global Health found that in countries where women are financially and economically empowered the std rate drops from 100% to 0%.
Earlier geneticists found the xy chromosome in a man is missing a hyleig on the y, women have 2 xx’s. This hyleig contains vital resource information that women have in thier genes that males lack.
Women have been opperessed exploited dominated robbed murdered lied to and raped by the lies and brutality of an inferior genetic mutation, the male. French mds noted males breasts no longer lactated due to biological degeneration of the male, and the male penis is just a prolapsed , fallen out, uterus, the mds had evidence to back up these insights.
Until women liberate themselves and take financial and administrative control and empowerment, women will be treated like negro slaves were in 1930 in Missisippi, deceived lied to, enslaved, robbed, exploited, battered, whipped, chained, raped, cheated, murdered and forced to break thier backs and fingers picking cotten as slaves under oppression of deranged sociopathic psychopathic demon controlled sickie males.
The jezebel demon infected women who perpetuate racism and sexism, submission to perversion, are just as bad as thier psychopathic male counterparts.
Mr Green:
“. Don’t feel bad for her she doesn’t know what I am. Ignorance is bliss. She likes what she’s found and I like what I’ve found. I plan on keeping her. She has found the love of her life and as far as she is concerned so have I.”
Pride goeth before a fall. Always remember that. Perhaps there’s a buffer of sorts against your woman finding out what you are because she is one of the types who see the good in everyone, or a malignant optimist, or loves you so much more than the normal woman can or does.
But there is a great possibility that she will find you out. I say this because I was her, for the longest time. Not specifically her , of course, but one of the breed. Best in show, in fact. I loved my S with every fiber of my being. He was the first thought I had in the morning, even when we were apart for half a decade, and the last thought I had at night. Sometimes he still is.
But I found him out.
And even still, being who I am, I sometimes look for ways to make him not what I found. To convince myself there is some other explanation: he’s in a cult. He had a head wound. He’s got multiple personality disorder. He’s…He’s…fixable.
The trouble with a woman like me finding you out is not just that she leaves and that kind of otherworldly NS is hard to replace. My ex-P said once that everyone is replaceable. That’s part of what tripped him up. P’s say things that they don’t always realize are abnormal to people of conscience. They do things in front of third parties that their “special” others gloss over or miss – but that the third party (who often genuinely loves the woman) catches and talks about.
That’s how my discovery was made. Not through my own observations alone. I could have discounted those actions, given time. The desire was there. But my loved ones’ observations were another story.
What makes these women you seek so problematic is this:
Because she has such a strong moral center and compass, she’s 20 times more revulsed by the truth than your average woman. As hard as she worked to forgive and forget whatever doesn’t fall in line with the “love of my life” thinking she will now work to bring you down. She’ll also never forgive you. When she finds you out – even though you go on to the next mark – she puts that same dedication, drive, focus and emotion into sharing the truth with the world.
You might say she becomes your mortal enemy – as big a danger to you as you may be to her.
That’s what I’m learning, anyway.
The typical P has a pathway strewn with corpses of women who figured him out. If it were so difficult, as you suggest, then this would not be so.
Bill Gates Committee on Global Health reported in countries where women are financially empowered and administratively empowered, the std rate drops from 100% to 0%.
Bill Gates Committee on Global Health google entire report can be found online.
My solution is same as Bill Gates, remove all financial and administrative power from sociopathic males and psychopaths and empower all women finanancially and administratively.
Gates found women do not rob other womens, mens and childrens food, health and welfare care to buy prostitutes or hoard.
Gates found males rob steal hoard and misappropriate money from women children and other males health food and welfare care whenever males administrate, women do not rob other women children or mens food health care and basic welfare monies to hoard and buy prostitutes like males do. Gates found males are corrupt administers of basic human services, women are not.
Solution is to disempower males from finance and administration and empower all women financially and administratively.
In England men bragg they used to starve women denying the women meat protien so women would be weak malnourished and easier to control and dominate as house slaves, sex slaves and misused as bar wenches.
If women do not liberate themselves from psychopathic male oppression tyranny miseducation, lies, robbery, exploitation and murder, they, women and children, will suffer the same fate as negroes under racism.
Only a destroyed enslaved brainwashed chained captive would pick a psychopath males cotten. I prefer the tradition of negro cooks under racist oppression and slavery, the house cooks used to serve psychpathic slave owners rat poison stew and rat poison sweet potato pie.
When you are oppressed by a psychopath that wants to destroy you and your children you must use self defense to save your life and escape.
Stockholm syndrome sufferers are brainwashed battered captive slaves, the devil loves to destroy humans like that. RESIST THE DEVIL and he will flee from you. RESIST REJECT and REBUKE the perverse psychopathic male.
LilOrphan:
I understand and can relate to your statements,
“What makes these women you seek so problematic is this:
Because she has such a strong moral center and compass, she’s 20 times more revulsed by the truth than your average woman. As hard as she worked to forgive and forget whatever doesn’t fall in line with the “love of my life” thinking she will now work to bring you down. She’ll also never forgive you. When she finds you out – even though you go on to the next mark – she puts that same dedication, drive, focus and emotion into sharing the truth with the world.
You might say she becomes your mortal enemy – as big a danger to you as you may be to her.”
The insights, pain, compassion, revelations and truth-seeking exhibited by the people on this sight are mind-opening. It enables one to see the truth, to gain perspective and put together the pieces of the puzzle of the Socipath.
After the “why” phase for me came the “figuring it out” (identifying him as a Sociopath) then “obsessiveness” (more investigation) and next the desire to expose him for the predator that he is. There are still a few (very few) people that believe in him, because he is a liar, and he is the lie. The Bad Man is extremely convincing. (Aren’t they all?)
I cannot say I was “in love” with my Sociopath in the same manner as you, LilOrphan (which I equate to butterflies, first love or “magical” feelings), but I have thought about him first thing in the morning, last thing at night, and throughout the day even though he has been gone for 6 months now. I LOVED him, but most of all I TRUSTED him, and believed him entirely. I trusted him like I trust my Dad, at a deep, intrinsic level. I also thought he was my best friend and confidante. I miss my lover (we all know how great that was!), but I also miss my best friend. That was the worst betrayal, the loss of trust; it affected my belief in humanity, and caused me to question myself, “what is wrong with me?” and “what could I have done differently?” I did not challenge him, criticize him, nor did we ever have an arguement. We agreed to disagree on some issues and I acquiesced to him although I am strong and independing-thinking. We got along 99% of the time (except during one of his rages) and that is what hurts me. It made me feel that I was not good enough, although now I understand at an intellectual level that they are thrill-seeking, etc., and that nothing I did could have satified him long-term.
Since I have seen the truth, and the mirror has cracked, it has become my mission to expose, expose, expose. To make him, figuratively, stand naked before the world as the predator and monster that he is. To fix some of the pain he has caused. To stop him from harming the next victim. I have, as you said, LilOrphan, ” that same dedication, drive, focus and emotion into sharing the truth with the world”.
I am assisting his ex-wife now and I would say that we (he and I) are definitely adversaries. There is a court battle now for his ex-wife’s share in a property sale, and there will be, forthcoming I believe, court proceedings to put him into jail for fraud, income tax evasion, and money laundering. In both cases I will testify against him.
In fact, his ex-wife has asked me to help her during court proceedings, and has asked me to be her power of attorney if it is mandated by the courts that she have one. She has become a dear friend, in need of help, and he is the lie. My focus is equity, justice, and truth…he and I are now on opposite sides of the fence. I could never have imagined, in my wildest dreams (or nightmares) six months ago that this scenario could have occurred. Never. I am indeed now, in fact, his moral (and mortal) enemy.
This is a totally different topic…but I have dated 2 sociopaths in my life, and have noticed that they both had a lot of guns and knives (also swords) displayed. Mostly they were all show pieces. None of the other men I’ve dated have had these. Has anyone else noticed this?
Comparisons to men of great power.. do we know who Mr Green is, no, do we have any empathy with him to a degree yes because by his own admittance even though he goes around it in a very intellectual way, he does infact tie himself in knots to a certain degree, he also seems to revel in a good debate, which is fine because it brings out the facts on both sides, the one thing about Mr Green is that we all mistrust him, there IS no point to us trying to understand him and his motives.
The string of this blog is ‘Discrimination and Sociopaths’ to find the site he must have dug deep because I know I had to, he is obviously having quite a lot of fun writing his say, I for one feel like it’s the mongoose and the snake… I’m not at all comfortable with him but he is like a cobra swaying from side to side and he is fascinating in an extremely sick way. However he is safe on this site, my B/M used to quote that sticks and stones etc etc, when infact my words in the letter I wrote to him may have blown his manipulative life to pieces, no doubt the superglue will come out and he will stick it back together to spend another day with another victim. Yes I am glad that I am out of it although I still wait for him to drop a bombshell of some kind, but one thing he doesn’t have and I think probably Mr Green is the same, is courage,
WE all have courage otherwise we would still be sitting at B/ms feet gazing adoringly into their sharks dead eyes oblivious to their rather pathetic game.
To v.abraded
“whether we would get straight answers is another question, a labyrinth of mind games.”
I have been trying to keep my mind games to a minimum. If I seem like I am playing any at this point it is because I don’t realize I am doing it.
“l know that emotion is a thing that sociopaths cannot possess, and no you don’t give straight answers, when you are with your woman what do you think, what do you tell her, do you tell her you love her, she’s the most beautiful woman in the world, do you scheme, or are you a snake in a suit?”
I do have emotions, they are just different then yours. It is difficult to give a straight answer on such a complex issue. I believe my answers make sense but it is difficult to explain something that nobody else can experience. It’s like trying to explain colour to a blind person. Explaining my lack of empathy is just as hard as you explaining to me what empathy feels like. We really have no common points to compare it to.
I tell her all the things I know a woman needs to hear. I comfort her to an extent and I try to be a good man to her. I really don’t think I am that bad to her. What I am thinking about when I am with her may not be what she wants me to think. When I am staring into her eyes in bed having a “romantic” moment I may be thinking about work, or whats on TV. I try to stay in the moment though because people can see it some times if you’re drifting. I scheme but when it is for her it is only for the good of our relationship. I’m not thinking about screwing sally next door.
“Having exposed my B/M of 13 years he has now gone to ground he is scared because I he knows I have found out so much about him and it may hamper his next move he is quite a well known business man.”
Don’t misinterpret his fear as weakness. I guess telling you this one tip is my selfless act of the day. He may be afraid but if you corner he he will bite. Let him know you have power but don’t dare use it. He can fight back worse then you may understand.
“Do you ever think of your old age, will you become a hermit and hide away somewhere or go to the elephants graveyard.”
I haven’t thought about my age until recently. It’s not part of a sociopaths problem set to worry about the future. I know I can’t be alone, that’s why I treat my girlfriend so kindly.
“I’m not sure whether I feel pity for you because you do miss out on the good things of life to a certain degree and I do think you are an incredibly lonely man, otherwise you wouldn’t spend your time on this site”
I’m on here because my job is boring as shit and I have unrestricted, unmonitored internet access. At the moment nobody is in my room and you may consider it loneliness but I am content by myself. I like time alone to think. I enjoy my time on this website because the more I type to explain myself to you the more I understand myself. I use it to bring make my subconcious knowledge conscious.
“,most of us are drawn to it for solace, knowing that there are so many victims out there.”
I’d like to say I come here because I’m drawn by all the victims as well but that would just be playing with you and I said I wouldn’t play with you.
“My best friend died from cancer one of the things she said once was that she felt so isolated, do you feel isolated with your condition?”
I feel like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I walk around with my human mask on but on the inside I am not like the others. I always feel like I am hiding. I feel like there is an invisible barrier between me and other people. I just don’t understand all this love and empathy. I don’t understand why everybody is laughing. It’s like everybody has this inside joke and I’m the only one who doesn’t get it. Don’t feel bad for me though, I know it is natural for you to feel bad for me because you think I am lacking something. I don’t feel the pain in missing out.
To aha:
“Dr. Kellog of Battlecreek Michigan, wrote married people should have sex 3-4 times a month during ovulation to concieve and then not again for 4 more years.”
Dr. Kellog also though men had a finite amount of sperm in their lifetime and he didn’t want them to waste it. He made Corn Flakes because he though it would replenish his depleting sperm levels. He wasn’t a complete nut though, I love my corn pops.
I considered continuing on with a reply to this post but I think it would be in my best interest to stop talking before I say something that may get me in trouble. A helpful tip for the future would be to avoid research from the 1950’s. There is plenty of research done in modern times that you do not need that old inaccurate information. Part of science is to not only use the research that you support but you must use proven research that may not support your agenda. Obviously your experience with your sociopath has deeply affected you so I will stop here.
To LilOrphan
“The trouble with a woman like me finding you out is not just that she leaves and that kind of otherworldly NS is hard to replace. My ex-P said once that everyone is replaceable. That’s part of what tripped him up. P’s say things that they don’t always realize are abnormal to people of conscience. They do things in front of third parties that their “special” others gloss over or miss – but that the third party (who often genuinely loves the woman) catches and talks about.”
I say a lot of things that I recognize are abnormal. I test people on their awareness of this. I think this may be a common thing with sociopaths. My girlfriend is well aware of how awkward I can be socially because of some of the things I say. I say a lot of things out of context that may not make sense for the situation but when taken out of that context and placed in another they become crystal clear.
“What makes these women you seek so problematic is this:
Because she has such a strong moral center and compass, she’s 20 times more revulsed by the truth than your average woman. As hard as she worked to forgive and forget whatever doesn’t fall in line with the “love of my life” thinking she will now work to bring you down. She’ll also never forgive you. When she finds you out – even though you go on to the next mark – she puts that same dedication, drive, focus and emotion into sharing the truth with the world.”
I have said before that it is not a good idea to mess with a sociopath. If you are considering it I would advise against it. We don’t have a conscience to prevent us from doing the unthinkable. It is best to move on and save yourself. But I have also said I am not with her to abuse and use her. I don’t think of women as marks. I would think she has no reason to feel threatened by me. I am giving her what I think she wants.
“You might say she becomes your mortal enemy – as big a danger to you as you may be to her.”
I don’t think any moral person is capable of working at the same level I can.
“The typical P has a pathway strewn with corpses of women who figured him out. If it were so difficult, as you suggest, then this would not be so.”
Glad, I’m not typical.
Again to aha.
I would not be surprised if Bill Gates is not a sociopath. Sounds like he’s got a good game going. Remove all men from power and ignore that he’s got a penis so he can be the last remaining male.
Are you promoting killing men with rat poison? If that is the case then you are no better, in fact worse then most sociopaths and should be ashamed of yourself. I wasn’t going to get in your way because I thought you were just severely messed up because of your experiences but there is a limit to how messed up you area allowed to get in this society. I may be an anti-social sociopath but I recognize the laws. I don’t kill people.
Could somebody else help her? I am not a good help but I can see she needs somebody to talk to who she may listen to their reasoning. She needs to know not all males are sociopaths and that murder is wrong whatever your reasoning.
Cheers,
On the topic of discrimination… when folks are mired in the mud with a sociopath, everyone points the finger at the victim, wanting to know why he/she is so stupid to stay with their abuser.
Here is a link to today’s “Ask Margo”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dear_margo/20080320/en_dm/margo_howard20080320;_ylt=AoX2SAGh85q1jBkk5_EbvNkDW7oF