At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
Advice needed! Do I seek revenge? My sociopath ex BF has been a secret obsession for years. We met over three years ago and have been on and off for most of that time. Two years ago I found him with another woman (always someone from his church). I was very crushed. When I called him repeatedly to discuss the situation….he called the police to report my efforts. Embarassing on top of searing pain. Two months later he contacted me to apologize. Guess what? I took him back. However, I did this in secret. My family and most of my friends did not know that I did this. I was having a secret affair with my ex boyfriend. A little over a year later he dumped me again for a woman in his church. This was strange because the woman he is still seeing is a woman he did not like before. On top of that she is quite homely and a known shrew. I am neither. What is even stranger I am obsessed by this loss. I cannot forget this man or move on.
Due to the nostalgia of the Holidays, I communicated with him anonymously on the internet claiming to be someone who knew him years ago with interest in connecting. At first he was irritated about communicating with an unknown person, but I worked around it. He ulimately asked for a get together for a date….probably while his current girlfriend was unavailable. When asked his realtionship status he said he was single. I now have all of this correspondence.
He also got in touch with me directly and stated that since 6 months has passed could we be “friends”. I told him no since he is still seeing the woman he left me for. I told him he cannot have both of us.
I have no interest in getting back with this man, however, I would like to see him dumped and feel the pain and isolation of being alone. I have enought evidence and inside info to very cleverly contact the current girlfriend to make her realize what a sneaky freak he is.
Should I do this? I can cover my tracks on this. This woman does not know that behind this supposed religious man lurks a man who is addicted to porn, bottomless strip clubs, sex with married women (one had to have an abortion) and countless other painful acts. I am ashamed of my attraction to this man. I would love to see him humliated and dumped. I was foolish enough to think that I could reform him. Help!!!!!!!!
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Detection is key! I still think your intuition is going to clue you in quick , esp. after the first encounter! Remember all the little clesheas ! If it looks to good to be true it is’nt! we take for granted these old sayings that mean so much! Read Love in Proverbs , see if you agree? Love is! JJ
If you want Peaceatlast
But He still has you under his controll and he is what your thinking about!
Revenge is a dish best served Cold! I think the cold reality of NC is truely more satisfying in the long run. They don’t feel pain like you and I do ,so your attempts to hurt him are prolonging your own recovery time! LOVE JJ
Thank you for the reminder of the power of NC! Also I am reminded of the concept that “Living well is the best revenge!” Tomorrow I am meeting a new guy who sounds very normal and wholesome. I should meet this man…..take it very slow if he is a good guy AND put all of this unhealthy stuff behind me. I need to be in the center of God’s hands not Satan! The ex is definitely the insturment of Satan. His own adult daughters from his first marriage have thrown in the towel. They do not care about being written out of the will. I need to follow their example. Love to hear from others about if revenge ever works. I think the Bible says, “Revenge is mine, saith the Lord”. It is amazing how a sociopath can distort the thinking!
I am reminded that when I seek revenge against a sociopath, I am stooping to their level. What I need to realize that I am dealing with a sick diseased person. You cannot seek revenge with an illness. To do so causes and infection in your soul. I needed to realize that I am powerless in this fight with real evil. It is not my job to fight evil, it is my job to run from evil. This blog has taught me a very valuable lesson. Thank you again. May others seem themselves here and find Peace at Last!
“You cannot seek revenge with an illness. To do so causes and infection in your soul.”
Yepindoodles.
“I needed to realize that I am powerless in this fight with real evil. It is not my job to fight evil, it is my job to run from evil. ”
Maybe, maybe not. I think we win a battle against evil every time we choose healthy behaviors and avoid unhealthy ones. When our healthy choices result in good relationships, we win big.
Last week someone tried to convince me that I would never find a church where the personality disordered did not dominate the agenda. Dysfuntionalism, she argued, was normal, particularly in church leadership.
I remain optimistic that even if this is true, my kids and I will be able to build a few wholesome relationships in our new church if we work hard at it. Most people want healthy relationships, and there is still plenty of decency in the world. We’re not setting out to win any popularity contests. We just want a small circle of reasonably well-behaved acquaintances to interact with each Sunday AM. That should be achievable.
After a lifetime of trying to be agreeable to all, reflexively deferring to even the vilest people, it’s not easy to change. Still, if I can grow a spine, anyone can.
We can all do the right by others and right by ourselves at the same time. We just have to learn to police our boundaries better.
My Daddy used to say “when you find the perfect church….it won’t be perfect once you join”. Church is not a museum for saints but a a hospital for sinners. Even in church we need to be mindful that we are worshiping God not the organization. God will guide us to the right place to worship. Church shopping for the right fit is like dating. When you find the right one you really know it. I love Church since it is the one place where I do not get hurt. I attend a large church and pick the ones I get close to very carefully, but that is not hard since God is with me. Seeking good people is a quest where we all need God’s assistance.
peaceatlast,
“when you find the perfect church”.it won’t be perfect once you join”.
This makes sense. It’s interesting that you attend a large churh and pick the people you get close to very carefully. This is the strategy we’re trying right now. Hopefully it will bear the same fruit you’ve enjoyed.
peaceatlast,
I certainly can understand the temptation to seek revenge. I’m sure I would be considering it too. However, keep in mind that the sociopath will only go on to use someone else. He will not feel pain and brokenheartedness in the same way you do. It will mainly be a wasted effort in this regard. In addition, it may backfire on you if the woman doesn’t believe you. He is probably a very effective liar and manipulator and will convince her you are making up stories. You would have to stay in touch with him (or her) to follow up on the outcome, which keeps you in toxic contact. As Donna’s article states, ANY entanglement with a sociopath will have bad consequences for you. The best thing to do is to walk away from all of them, and go to a different church. You really need to detach from this guy and get him out of your system so you can start healing.
I once tried to expose my sociopath on the website I met him on. We have many mutual friends there. It ended up backfiring on me, and I had terrible nightmares about him. Just say no to this urge to exact revenge. You will be better in the long run. Blog about your anger here instead or with a counselor.
Revenge or informant?
This is a slim line we walk whenever we are dealing with a P/S after being disvalued and discarded. I know that I too walk a very treacherous path with the aftermath of my experience with my ex P. When we try to inform the other victim are we searching revenge or informing them of what if? Or maybe I should say am I? Anyway one thing we all acknowledge is that the S’s or this world will search out another victim after but most likely before getting out of the last relationship which then allows this cycle of manipulation and their lies to go unchallenged causing other the same abuse we suffered at their hands. We then have a duty or calling to help other understand as much as possible what this person is really like and that they to might be take advantage of as some point by this person. After informing other we then must walk away and hope for the best concerning the person who was warned. Again is this revenge or just information being pass along to help? Guess each one of us must decided and answer that question in both a personal and spiritually manner.
Good Luck Peaceatlast and hope you will find those answers..