At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
Yeah Oxy, all our EXs are probably all VULCANS. Spock was half Vulcan and half human. The Vulcan logical self and the human emotion self.
I wonder if our EXs all have green blood?
Mmmhhh, maybe this is where they got their MO?
Live Long and Prosper!
Hi LF
This is my first post, but have been reading plenty here. The psychopath experience for me was a veterinarian. Have to say I think its the perfect profession for them. Legal to kill & watch distraught owners lose their beloved pets. Vets are trusted & praised & also supported by a board who is probably just as corrupt. My pet died prematurely as a result of a psycho vet. This vet played me like a cat plays with a mouse. It never occurred to me that he was playing games with me. It wasn’t until the end where he said something that later got me thinking, why did he say that. Around this time also discovered npd. The vet did say some odd things at times that seemed plausible but now I see it was all his game playing. Didn’t really have much to go on, but I lodged a complaint to the vet board which ended up being dismissed, but not without the vet smelling like rotting fish. The vet’s statement was full of lies & so was his staffs’. In fact one of his staff that was present at a critical time, which I had stated in my complaint, was not mentioned by the vet in his statement at all, it was like they never existed, hence no statement from this person. Another employee had left their employ with no forwarding address, how convenient. The vet also took out a little insurance packaged as being generous to me at the time but than used it against me in the complaint, whilst smearing me at the same time. He also smeared myself & made other comments to a third person (this is breach of confidentiality) while making himself look good with some projection of himself too. As you can imagine the third person believed the vet, well she is a b**ch too as I’ve discovered. Anyway since this time I’ve learnt some very unsavoury things about this vet from several trusted sources, he is also disliked by his peers. There seems to be lots of veterinary abuse & some of them are probably psychopaths.
Never knew that such evil existed. Greed ”“ yes ”“ but just to enjoy others pain is the sickest thing I’ve ever encountered.
The saga doesn’t end yet. Discovered that mil is a garden variety narcissist. Have gone nc for over a year now, but she thinks it was initiated by her for different reasons ”“ so we can sort ourselves out apparently. Well thats going to take the rest of our lives, or should I say her life.
I’m thankful that i never married a psychopath, (although h has strong narcissistic traits & can be very self serving) however any contact with these creatures is destructive as discovered & still learning. love this site. All the best to everyone for 2009
greenleaf
Greenleaf: I don’t know what state you live in … but I suggest you contact your attorney general of that state and lodge a formal complaint of not only the Vet but the board that heard the hearing. I’d also put a FREEDOM of INFORMATION request to the state health department overseeing this board and ask for any other complaints (formal or informal) that have been lodged against this vet the entire time he’s been in practice in your state. I would also right an animal rights group for support and see if anyone knows about this VET.
As you can tell by my writing, I’m an animal lover and activist.
Peace.
LIG What is so frustrating is we can’t let go with a feeling of lost love or thing’s just went bad or we out grew each other. Even ‘you done me wrong song’s’ don’t apply when it comes to spath’s. There is just no place we can put the pain because it is so destructive and exploitive. I feel I am well on the road to recovery. I have turned this encounter inside out and back again to make sense of it, but after almost a year of being spath free I have too sum it up as being raped over and over again, emotionally and physically. I can’t hold on to ‘any’ good moment’s or time’s with him – the reality of the evil – of what they did to us, knowing they were doing it and knowing they were playing us for fool’s – I just can’t keep anything that reminds me of him or hold on to any pleasant memories that we may have had – the illusion he portrayed has evaporated and reality has set in.
Reality check. That’s the purpose we serve for each other. We were not “discarded.” This was not “love gone wrong.” We didn’t actually do anything wrong. Even if we missed the red flags, how were we to know the evil that the red flags indicated?
The reality is that we were wounded, more deeply than most people can imagine. We can accept the devastation of a “Gustav” or “Katrina” better than we can this sort of violation. These predators make it personal in the level of damage, but they are just as impersonal as a hurricane or earthquake in how it affects them.
hey OXY, wasn’t it also Christ that told Judas “you will betray me three times?” Or have I gotten my Bible mixed up? All I know is that I grew up with deep faith instilled in me and when I was about 16 or so I started running as far away from that faith as I could because I thought of it as “too constrictive” for me. My life looked normal from the outside looking in. I had a good job, great friends, a nice car, a nice home…everything! All before I even turned 25. My relationships were very shallow therefore they didn’t hurt me. In my thirties I started to realize that my life was “an image” that I was upkeeping and vowed to change it. I had two long term relationships that I was “determined to make work” but both failed for amicable reasons on both sides. Little did I know I was setting myself up to be a target for a sociopath and find my faith again at the same time. I was desparate in my own quest to have a lasting relationship so much so that I ignored so many red flags and it became three yrs of hell and futile attempts. I fell hook,line, and sinker for my “S” and they made me start to believe I was the crazy one. I had driven past this particular church several times in my town and always in my mind said I was gonna go to it one day. And in a strange twist of fate I did attend with my “S” with me just a little over a year ago. It changed my life in more ways than one. I was sitting next to someone I despised but at the same time I knew it was the turning point that would give me the strength. The sermon was “Unwritten” (is your life unwritten?) and the closing statements of the pastor was……”are you at a crossroad in your life? and dont know which way to go?” Thats when God found me again after years of running from him. I found the strength to stand up for myself and to my “S” that day. Im still not perfect at it but im working on it. I joined the church and not long after guess who did too!! But a year later I still attend and am part of the worship band playing drums. It has really given me alot of strength to discern who I was actually dealing with in my life above and beyond what all scientific evidence could prove to me. This site and all the great people have helped me tremendously. But in those quiet moments when I am at my most vulnerable and at my most aloneness I still have someone at my side, and that is GOD!! my “S” has even used me joining the church in part of their crusade to ruin me.
But now I have my own truth lasso and bullet deflecting bracelets against her crap. Kryptonite(in case its needed) and my own invisible plane that I fly away in blaring Karen White’s……I”M NOT YOUR SUPERWOMAN!!!
sorry for the funny at the end but I like seriousness with a little interjection of humor..kind of takes the edge off right?
Anetsu: Jesus said that to Peter …
He said to an over-confident Peter, “”this night you will betray me three times before the cock crows.” (Matthew 26:69-75).
and said, “Prophesy to us, You Christ; who is the one who hit You?” 69 Now Peter was sitting outside in the courtyard, and a servant-girl came to him and said, “You too were with Jesus the Galilean.” 70 But he denied {it} before them all, saying, “I do not know what you are talking about.” 71 When he had gone out to the gateway, another {servant-girl} saw him and *said to those who were there, “This man was with Jesus of Nazareth.” 72 And again he denied {it} with an oath, “I do not know the man.” 73 A little later the bystanders came up and said to Peter, “Surely you too are {one} of them; for even the way you talk gives you away.” 74 Then he began to curse and swear, “I do not know the man!” And immediately a rooster crowed. 75 And Peter remembered the word which Jesus had said, “Before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” And he went out and wept bitterly.
Peace.
Dear Anetsu,
I am glad that you found your faith again. I realized I didn’t have an INTERNAL religion, only an external one of “thou shalt not do this or that” but nothing that was an internal relationship, a loving relationship.
Unfortunately I visualized God as this man with a long white beard who was sitting up there “on high” with a book to make black marks in beside my name.
Now, I have a personal and loving relationship with a LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER—and that is a sustaining relationship. A spiritual relationship. Not just a “book of rules” to violate or not, but things that are POSITIVE.
I realize that not everyone shares my views, and that’s okay for them, I’m not out to “convert” everyone to my beliefs and if they don’t agree to “damn them to hell”—that’s not what Jesus was about, and not what I am about.
Jesus had HIS OWN encounter with the psychopaths, the ones without conscience, and he didn’t do anything wrong…all he spoke was truth…and they hated him for it. We didn’t do anything to make them hate us, or use us. We allowed it because we didn’t protestk, didn’t move away.
And even if someone doesn’t believe in the divinity of Jesus, or the Bible’s message as “religion,” there is some darned good advice in there for how to deal with the psychopaths. Some good advice on how to live a “successfu” and happy and peaceful life.
Each of us, just like Peter, “deny” Jesus, when we do things we know are wrong and do them anyway. Hopefully, though, we have a conscience that will cause us to see our error, and to repent, to be truly sorry for what we did, knowing it was wrong, or maybe not knowing at the time that it was wrong, but realizing later it was.
Forgiving others, and forgiving ourselves, though, helps us to work through these bitter experiences and to move onward.
Jesus’ story about the man “putting his hand to the plow” and “looking back” instead of forward (your row will be crooked if you do that, you MUST look forward to plow a straight row with a horse or an oxen, or a tractor for that matter) is true for us as well,, at some point we have to learn the lessons from the past, and quit looking back, and start to look FORWARD. Not to deny the past has happened, but to put it behind us and move forward toward new goals. That’s my New Year’s resolutions for myself, is to become more forward looking…not denying the past, but putting it behind.
Wini you are correct but in Mathew 27 is where Judas hangs himself.. My bad! I just love the Bible? It’s the greatest book anyone will ever read. My favorite verse to get me through all the times my “S” is Psalms 143(the psalm of David) 143:1-12
Oxy,
when I read your posts my mouth drops open in awe! You are so wise. We were made as humans in Gods image but we were born sinners and we will never be perfect but definitely worthy of HIS love! He “Gave” his only son so we could be set free! And it is the people that see the error of their ways that will indeed inherit “the kingdom” and plow a straight row while looking ahead while on this earth. There are some people who just wont see that. So people with faith, like myself are sometimes in a double whammy trying to get on with their lives but at the same time trying to get “their “S’s” on the same page. I KNOW and FEEL what she has done to me!!! But did Jesus give up?