At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
Morgan, my P said the same sort of thing….let’s stay friends and “I’ll probably flirt a little with you because that’s just my nature.” I told him NO WAY will you flirt with me! And, for me, I couldn’t be friends with someone who had treated me so badly unless they completely owned that, apologized, did something meaningful to make amends and told me what steps they were taking to make sure it would never happen again. Well, he had no interest in that and decided he had NEVER been cruel to me!
He too, was someone I had trusted for a long time. But that was it. NO CONTACT was where my boundary got fine tuned to. And since you asked, I think in your heart if you reread what you’ve written and how he treated you in your time of need…a stranger on the street would have given you MORE support….you will see he is the most UNSAFE place to work on your mind, body and spirit.
Morgan, you asked “what we think” and I will tell you that in MY OPINION NO CONTACT is the best and only option for truly healing.
Unless you are forced by a court of law to have some contact with him, you are better off with NO contact.
I relize you don’t want to quit “going to” that place where you know he will be. If that is your decision, then I suggest that you treat him LIKE A POTTED PLANT. Don’t even acknowledge his presence. If he speaks to you, don’t react at all, just walk away. If he insists on speaking to you, just keep it up. POTTED PLANT. Don’t notice it, don’t acknowledge it in any way. Do not make eye contact. Appear deaf. If he touches you to get your attention, walk away like it hadn’t happened and something else made you move.
I know that may seem extreme to you, but eventually he will “get the hint”—it will give you peace in the end. Contact with them continues to “reinjure” us and makes it almost impossible to move on, or definitely slows down the healing process by keeping them in our head.
Justabouthealed,
It is not an option for me to change the location. Since our schedules are different, contact with him is very limited. And I can ignore his presence. I refuse to give up something of critical importance to me because of him. He’s already taken enough from me. It is possible to avoid him if he’s there and have little if any eye contact.
The relationship is over. I told him he destroyed any trust I cuold ever have wtih him. I explained how cold and callous he was that night I went to his house for support. He agreed his behavior was horrible and said it was “out of character” for him!!!
I know the truth about him. I’m not vulnerable to his charm. If he ever does come back around then I’ll be protected from falling for his lies and deceit.
To me, this man is a great gift–he is teaching me how right my intuition is, how to spot healthy men, how to have a healthier relationship, consider ME first. In Buddhism some people are placed in our path to teach us lessons. I think I’m learning many powerful lessons that will only increase my happiness.
This man is not going to control my life anymore. He actually seems a little scared of me when I see him. I told him once when I went to the pool and he saw me…that I thought he looked so frightened he was going to flee the area.
I joined this facility first. I have nothing to be ashamed of. My actions were honorable. The more I see him the more I realize how unhappy and miserable he is. No one treats another human being with such viciousness can possibly think well of himself.
One day I was wearing a t-shirt that said “Namaste”. He ran his finger across the letters (that were obvioulsy across my chest). He asked what the word meant. When I told him it means “I see the goodness in you” (rough translation) he laughed mockingly. I asked him if he was laughing at me. He said he was laughing with me. I told him I didn’t have a clue what he meant and perhaps he could explain that to me sometime. To laugh was an inappropriate response for people who feel good about themselves and others.
I know when I see him I should give no information about my life to him. He does try to engage me in conversation when he ends up in the whirlpool with me–and sometimes it’s just the two of us!!!
I wear an I-Pod during my workout for distance. Many of my exercises I do with my eyes closed for better concentration. He has recently gone out of his way to get my attention.
But there is no way I would ever entertain resuming a relationship with him. He cuold not put forth the effort required for change or maintain the effort to end his habitual pattern of idealizing, devaluing, and discarding women.
From all that I have read on this blog and other places, sociopaths are only 5% of the population. However, I am so burned by my experiences with these monsters that I seem to see them in all men. I know that is not accurate but that is my truth.
Is there an easy way to screen these guys out on a normal date? Is there a question that they all flunk? What are the test questions? I am so scared to get in this spot again.
There is someone I have known for over four years. He lives two hours away. He calls periodically. We get together on occasion. Yes, the sex is great but that has only happened since the Ex dumped me. I thought that this guy was my rebound screw, someone to make me feel better about my self as a woman. Now I have questions as to what to do with this guy.
We have great chemistry. Our minds work well together. He has met my daughter and is very supportive. Sitting next to him in church is fabulous. Am I right to be confused? I just texted him that I do not know if he is real or a dream. He thought that was so funny. How should I deal with this so that I will not regret it later. I feel very vulnerable. This is a cat and mouse game and I am very concerned about getting into another dangerous situation. But I do not want to over react.
I would like to remarry and have a respectable guy in my life. How do I sort them out? I just told the Ex I could not be friends. Do I blow this guy off too? What is way to get to the bottom line for the future. I really want a clean slate for 2009. Friends with Benefits, casual sex, and being strung along does not belong in my life. HELP!!!!
Peace you might try reading this article as a starting point:
http://whataboutwhenmomistheabuser.blogspot.com/2008/09/warning-signs-youre-dating-loser.html
One thought to consider. It does not matter what a person says, what matters is what they do or don’t do.
peaceatlast: You could hire a private investigator to check this guy out.
It’s sad, for years now, even the so-called decent people play the game of psychos out there. It all became blended since the 80s.
I wished I had something constructive to write you!
Blondie said: “i saw alot of people post about how there x’s always say lets be friends.”
During each breakup mine never said oce said that. However, when he wanted back in, he acted like the past never existed and couldn’t see any reason why I had a problem with anything he ever did. His attitude was like that is the past, this is the present, and your problem is?
But during our last contact via voicemail (when I stopped answering his actual calls) he said and I quote: “After all I’ve done for you and you’re gonna treat ME like this. Im gonna hate you a long f**king time you g*dd*m cold hearted bitch.” Which doesn’t exactly translate to lets be friends. lol However, he still has tried to make contact since. And he phoned my Mom when he was working on some new work project a couple of months ago that he thought I would find interesting, so since he couldn’t reach me, he phoned her so she could tell me about it. Which I guess could translate to his version of lets still be friends. 🙂
Oh and during that flurry of voicemails before the voicemail got full, here’s another one: “Tomorrow at work I’m gonna think up everything I can to call and tell your Mother. I know how you looooooove that, you with all your little secrets. You dump me like this, under these cirucumstances. Well, now it’s MY turn mutherf*cker. You hurt me. I’m gonna hurt you right back. You’ve bit off more than you can chew.”
This blog has been so helpful. I just sent Mr. String a Long an email telling him that I was really focused on meeting an emotionally available man in 2009. Nice Knowing you! I also said that I was not expecting a reply since he is so busy.
It feels very good to clear out the emotional debris of my past! I am alone but not lonely! I am not really alone either,,,,,I am savoring my solitude!
God Bless you all! Don’t you dare throw your lovely pearls at those awful pigs!
Indigo: Jen2009….
Jane You Ignorant slut!…
SaturdayNightLIVE :)~LOVE JJ
When I read the Jen/jane part, that reminded me that although my P never called me by the wrong name, that after four years together, on one of the last times I saw him, he had bought a bag of those goldfish snack things.. He told me, “Here, I bought these for you because I remembered they’re your favorite snack”.
Keep in mind we had actually LIVED together, and during that time, or during the entire time I knew him, I had never ONCE bought a bag of goldfish, nor had I EVER even eaten any of them EVER. Guess he got me confused with somebody else. (eye roll)