At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
Dear Peaceatlast,
I agree with Wini, I would get him checked out by a PI, a search can be run very cheaply of all past residences, any arrests (where there is a conviction) etc. But there is a LOT you can’t know except just keeping your eyes open.
It really is a BIT SOON for you to get involved with someone else, and that is your “Catch 22”—I got involved only 8 months after my husband’s death, and boy did I get burned.
He was also a guy I knew casually for about 10 yrs. But the main thing, with ANY new relationship (and that includes this guy) SLOW AND STEADY, don’t get hooked into a dream before you see the real man. Spend time with him, but for my “money” I would not sleep with him as the very act of the sex (especially if it is good) BONDS you to him and may blind you to some other things that come along.
I would just tell him, that you want to take things slow and easy and that you have decided not to have sex any more until you sort yourself out, and that if he STILL wants to see you, that’s wonderful. You should get the idea pretty soon if he is just after casual sex or is really interested in YOU. If it is YOU he will hang around, if not, then he will put th epressure on for sex and if he doesn’t get it from you, he will find someone else. I will never again sleep with anyone I am not confident enough to marry. First off because of the very real risk of disease (even using condoms) and secondly Iknow it bonds me to the man I sleep with.
Peaceatlast: You just gave him more fuel to use against you. NO CONTACT in any way shape or form … especially e-mails. You just told him what you think by writing him off in an e-mail. That’s anti-social fuel 101 for the likes of them. Stop opening up the Pandora’s box … stop telling him what you think or what you care about or don’t care about. Just stop … no matter what you tell them or don’t tell them, they know how to get over on YOU (and others, ALL others). Period.
If anything you should listen to on this blog is NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT … and that goes for NO CONTACT in your memory banks about the likes of your EX.
You think you got the last word in … not true. Stop falling for that and believing you have to tell them off. It does NO GOOD. YOU have to get to the level that you don’t care whether you tell him off or not. DO NOT CARE whether their are too many loose ends. DO NOT CARE … for if you care about any ounce of your EX … your EX will get their foot in the door and mop the floor with you. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is how they are. They don’t care a thing about anyone else but themselves.
Therefore, NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT! Did I mention, no contact?
Peace.
I do like the idea of the “potted plant” visual. Ignore, ignore, ignore…!!! I got it. It is so weird though–establishing boundaries. He seems so normal when I see him chatting in the whirlpool. But I remember how unavailable he was at my moment of greatest need…because he was talking to another woman!!!! Who, by the way, I did meet. I went over to his house the Saturday after we broke up to confront him. She was there. He was upstairs getting ready to shower and couldn’t come downstairs (that was his excuse). So, I kept asking her how long she’d been seeing him. Finally, she said you need to ask him. My response was…”it’s about time he grew some b**ls and tend to this matter.” I went upstairs and kept asking him how long he’d been seeing her. When I stomped my foot he finally said “six weeks.” I asked him how he could have slept in my bed knowing he was going to break up with me as soon as he moved into his house. He just shrugged his shoulders. I went downstairs and gave his new girlfriend some information about him. But later, apparently, he informed me that she was still dating him. I said I’d like to have heard that conversation he had with her. He said…let’s just talk about us!!! I hope the woman figured it out. I think he’s with someone else now. Of course he’s always going to be with someone.
Quite frankly, I think a person who lives his lifestyle has to be miserable. There are no internal sources of happiness. He changes lives everytime he changes girlfriends. He has no core. Just a shell.
Pam
Peaceatlast, It sounds like you are sort of confused right now as to what you want. Since you are just now getting really untangled from the ex, and are doubtful about the new man, my suggestion would be that you might want to consider taking a few months (or longer) and not dating at all.
Just spend some time on YOU and doing things you enjoy. Sure be around the opposite sex and all in activities, but just not “romantically”. I think the absolute best advice I received from Sandra Brown (author of Women Who Love Psychopaths) was the advice not to date but to take time to heal before even considering it.
Dear Morgan,
I had a friend who was dating a P and he stole some stuff from me, for various reasons she ddn’t want to break up with him, so when I was at her house (almost daily) and he would come over, I treated him like he was INVISIBLE. No eye contact, no body language indiction he was even in the room, if he spoke to me, NOTHING, NADA, ZIP, ZERO indication that I even saw or heard him. IT DROVE HIM BONKERS.
I had a neighbor here where I live now who was a total pest and you couldn’t run this guy off so my sons and I did the same thing. If he came over we didn’t indicate he was there, we treated him like a ghost we couldn’t see. It was so funny. He was so narcissistic he didn’t get it that we weren’t replying to him for a while but it did work eventually. LOL
You can make it a game even, and have fun with it. Laugh at him in your heart (not out loud) no positive interaction, no negative interaction–HE DOES NOT EXIST. Good luck.
OxDrover,
I’m going to give it a try. I tried ignoring him initially but it felt weird. Then I tried very limited contact but I don’t want to send him any message that I might be interested in him. There is absolutely no way I would disrespect myself by being involved with him in any way.
I’ll put him on ignore!!!
Thanks, everyone. This website has been most helpful in my healing from meeting one of the most reptilian (no disrespect to snakes) man I’ve ever met.
Morgan
Happy New Year LF Bloggers. I stayed home alone too this year and it was great. Last year, my x and I were supposed to go to China Town. He never even showed up New Year’s Eve. Imagine. He came home late New Years day and said he was at his friends house depressed lying in bed thinking of all the bad things he’d done to people. What an AH. He was with the OW…cheating…lying to me.
This year, I stayed home missing my new guy. We just started dating 1 1/2 mos ago and he went home to his parents in France. He will be home this Thursday. He emailed, called and texted everyday to let me know he is thinking of me too. Sweet. I don’t even miss the old sociocpathic idiot. I’m starting fresh in 2009. I’m back to me. I even went out tonight for dinner with an old friend tonight and it felt wonderful. I was so programmed to stay in the house like a caged animal for so long I forgot who I was. I’m so happy again.
HAPPY HAPPY NEW YEAR. OUT WITH THE OLD. IN WITH THE NEW. NOW MORE USERS, LOSERS AND ABUSERS!!!
I think the “no call, no show” is out of Chapter 2 of Sociopathy 101A.
Chapter 2: Once the victim is hooked, keep them off balance.
I’m so glad about your new life, wonderwoman! I hope he turns out to be a genuine person–after all you’ve been through, you deserve a great relationship.
I still can’t bring myself to trust people quite yet, but then I haven’t met any guy worth even checking it out yet. I have, however, rediscovered my passion for shopping. I shopped my way into 2009.
Is anyone else here? I’m hearing an echo!!!!!
Yea, I’m here, popping in between working on my taxes for the yar! Ugh, I hate that! LOL
Working on my NY Resolution of NO MORE PROCRASTINATION. I was going to join the procrastinator’s association, but I never sent in my dues. Missed the meeting too, no one showed up anyway. Didn’t get a newsletter, the editor didn’t get around to it. But I’m going to turn over a new leaf this year, if I get around to it. LOL