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Entanglements with sociopaths always have consequences

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December 29, 2008 //  by Donna Andersen//  479 Comments

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At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.

Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)

Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.

At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”

“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”

The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.

“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.

I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.

Fort Dix Five

This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.

A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.

I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.

The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.

Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.

But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?

I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.

For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.

Education is key

The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.

That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.

But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.

Category: Media sociopaths, Seduced by a sociopath

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  1. hens

    March 22, 2010 at 1:29 am

    ok I will get my garden book out and order some asap cause i willnever forget you star – i will never meet you but i want you to know that u have been a big influence in my life,,,Stargazer with the snakes and the putter cats and with a history similar to mine – yeah two years i guess i am over him but will never forget and trusting someone ever again will be hard but really i dont want a live in relastionship ever again and i have been cranky with you in the past and i do apologize..

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  2. Stargazer

    March 22, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Henry, I cannot think of any reason you need to apologize to me. Your presence here has been very important to me, as well.

    Personally, I don’t know if you even need to worry about trusting someone else or not. The only person you need to trust is yourself–and that means trusting your feelings and perceptions because they are reliable and will keep you out of trouble. 🙂 If you can trust yourself to recognize a red flag, then you can relax and feel free to let your guard down with others. I hope it’s okay to take the liberty to say this to you, and I’m not sounding like some new age guru-wannabe!

    And you never know if our paths may cross some day. I’m still hoping for a LF reunion!

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  3. silvermoon

    March 22, 2010 at 5:56 am

    Starg-

    I think a LF retreat would be awesome too. We could Ask Steve to do his stand up routines and laugh until we cry!~

    Maybe we should start a drum roll for it????

    Colorado has some great venues! And, its in the middle.
    Pretty easy and affordable to get to.

    Hmmm. Ideas? Anyone?

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  4. geminigirl

    March 22, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Hey Guys Im back! Actually I was never really away. I was so touched by all your comments re my request for less bad language. Im GLAD now that I asked for this. Im sure its really unnecessary, and it shows us up in such a bad light.Now I feel like a strict schoolmarm! But I know you know I have l your interests at heart.conomo,one-step, witty, star,silver,Oxy, you are ll DEAR DEAR friends.I hear your pain.Where else can we go but to LF? So lets guard this precious place, and not spoil it!!If only for Lilys sake, she hated all the f words, she told me.I think one of the reasons I hate the word so much is that my spath teenager used to shout it at me.Lets all get on, and love each other! Lets not descend to the spaths level of so-called language.{{HUGS!!}} Love all you guys, MamaGem.XXXX

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  5. kim frederick

    March 22, 2010 at 7:40 am

    Hi, Gem. Glad you’re back.
    I have to make my way out, into the world today. On a job hunt. Not my favorite thing….. 🙁
    But, I’m trying to put on a 🙂 , and stay hopeful.

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  6. witsend

    March 22, 2010 at 9:38 am

    kim frederick,
    Good Luck today job hunting 🙂

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  7. witsend

    March 22, 2010 at 9:46 am

    geminigirl,
    Glad to see you. Mamma gem we need you to keep us in line.
    And really, you might have a point there…Maybe the F word is a trigger for you because your daughter used to scream it at you.

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  8. Aeylah

    March 22, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Kim,

    GOOD LUCK JOB HUNTING!!!!

    I hope you succeed!

    Remember stay posititve and put on that smily face even if you dont feel it.

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  9. ErinBrock

    March 22, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Gem:
    WHEW!
    XXOO
    EB

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  10. ErinBrock

    March 22, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Kim,
    Go out there and knock em dead girl!!!!!

    XXOO
    EB

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