At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
Silver:
Uh…..BITE your tongue girl……COLORADO?????
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Star:
Yeah, with my luck we’d go out for lunch at the restaurant he was working at…..YIKES! Could you imagine???
I’d love to visit YOU……but……not sure CO is big enough for me to feel comfy!
First of all, Geminigirl, thanks for coming back! It’s no problem at all for me to watch my language. I have to do it on my reptile site or I will get this thing called “an infraction”.
Silvermoon,
I would not hesitate to host an LF party here in Denver. In the summer it would be fun to have a pool party, and I’m free most weekends. EB, Colorado is a huge place. You probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than of running into your ex here. Seriously. My ex-spath is also in Colorado (last I heard). I don’t worry about running into him. If any of you are ever passing through town and would like to meet up for coffee, you are more than welcome to look me up. I met up with an LF member last year when she was passing through town. We had a great time! Colorado is especially beautiful in the spring.
Dearest EB, Witty, and Aeylah, thanks so much for the cheers and encouragment this A.M.
I went out for a couple of hours, ended up feeling frustrated, but I know I need to work on my attitude. Also learning to have some humility…unfortunately, some times it feels like humiliation….so, I’m working on it.
It helps to have supportive freinds here. Thanks.
Kim,
Patients, patiens and more patients! I feel your frustration. I send out resumes and letters of interest almost everyday and 0 responces. I keep telling myself the same things.
It would be so nice if people would recognize the problem. I’ve been a victim of a sociopath at work, and I’ve been trying so hard to sort things out so that I don’t have to go back to working UNDER his authority. This man has not only ruined my life, he’s exposed multiple women at work and at our masonic lodge to HPV, not to mention emotional abuse. I find the thought of watching him victimize other woman, almost as painful as the victimization he exposed me to!
All along, both at the lodge, and at work, all I hear is “that is between you and him.” Well, yes, and his last wife, and his dead wife, and my coworkers, and my HL sisters, and every single person he’s lied to weather he needed to or not. But no one seems to see that, and they all think that I am the problem because I wont stop crying wolf even after a year.
At work is the worse, at least I am able to give up the masonic group I loved so that I don’t have to be near him and watch him use innocent people. But at work, OMG! I’ve been on a “FORCED” rotation for over a year now, so that my managers could get me OUT OF THE OFFICE where I wanted to BLOW THE WHISTLE on his abuse. And now that I have not been able to get a job any where else because of the job market environment, I am going to be FORCED to go back! And to where? To an office where I am the one that could get fired for telling the truth on his pathological lies, and on his infecting innocent women with HPV. And for him? He’s PROTECTED and can mess up as many woman’s lives, and BODIES as he wants, as long as he can lie good enough to keep them from crying wolf!
And what do the big wigs say? NOT THEIR BUSINESS who he sleeps with, if they don’t object to it. Well no, they WONT object since he literally spends YEARS setting up some of his victims… they don’t object until AFTER he has exposed them to the potentially LETHAL virus. How convenient that his ex wife who almost died from it, can’t PROVE it was him, since men don’t test positive for it.
HE is a lead worker, who picks and chooses who’s desk he will sit at to TRAIN UP RIGHT! And those who have nothing to offer him, he assigns to someone else to train. And what does management say? They can’t even question him about his behavior, because they could be sued as it is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!
And when I say the word Sociopath, they practically crawl under a table to hide. Lord forbid that that word even be mentioned in a state office! They are not EXPERTS and they have no rights to even ask him to be tested for it, since he has broken NO RULES.
And so, in just 10 days, I will be stepping back into he11. Where my ex boyfriend that ruined the good marriage I was in, just because he was jealous of someone who actually had REAL love will be in a position of authority over me. He watched me fall apart and almost take my own life over HIM and the woman I knew about at the time… Only to find out about 4 others AFTER we had broken up. And my managers take it so far as to refuse to even acknowledge that I was in an abusive relationship with him. As they say at Amaranth, “that is between you and him, and has nothing to do with us or work/the group.” As he racks of the number of women who potentially could die down the road by what he carries, and as he continues to ruin lives for the fun of it.
But never mind, they DON’T WANT TO KNOW, because then they would be accountable for the women THEY will cause to DIE, and for those like me who may end up at the gates of hell when I do do, because I lost my faith, when he stole it from me.
Dear Sherrie,
I hear what you are saying, and I hear the anguish in your voice that others will not validate what you are saying.
That doesn’t mean that what you are saying is not true, it only means that no one else is interested in listening to your truth, no matter how real it is.
That is frustrating and I know you CARE!
The problem NOW, though, as I see it is that:
1. What you say is true, BUT no one at your work wants to listen
2. YOU perceive the danger to others, BUT no one else where you work seems to perceive this danger.
So, that beingt the case, you have only a couple of options about how YOU REACT TO THE ABOVE TRUE STATEMENTS
A. You go back to your job there near him and say nothing, keep your mouth shut and do your job:
If you take this option, what happens?
B. You quit work and refuse to go back
If you take this option, what happens?
C. You go back to your job and continue to try to get people to listen.
If you choose option C, what happens?
I think the point is that you can’t make others either care or listen, or believe you if they did listen. That being the case, I think your options should focus on what is the BEST FOR YOU. There is nothing more frustrating I think, than feeling and thinking we are right about someone or something being a danger and screaming to high heaven about it and being DEVALUED by those we try to inform/save from this danger.
Since there doesn’t seem to be an oiption where you actually are able to get anyone to believe you, the ONLY option I see open to you that is HEALTHY FOR YOU, is for you to somehow be able to reconcile that THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN CHANGE OR CONTROL, AND ACCEPT IT. “God grant me the serenity….” ((((hugs)))))
Hey Star,
I was thinking Colorado because it costs about the same to fly there from either coast and there are some great resorts we could use for a retreat to round up all the lf folks.
Beautiful scenery, ridin’, hikin.raftin and more. Its gorgeous out at Steamboat, Red Feather Lake and there is more, WAY more to choose from.
August in the mountains is really nice because its cooll up there.
I also know a fabulous retreat venue in the sierra foothills.
But that’s a pricey trip from this side of the divide.
Anyone up for organizing a group event?
silvermoon,
I think it is a great idea. For some though that might love to attend it might be a matter of cost that would hold them back.
Maybe it might be a thing that we could figure out a way of actually keeping a tally. Those that would be interested if cost of trip was within such and such dollar amount.
Those that wouldn’t be able to attend for various reasons, jobs, kids, cost factor….Ect.
If enough of an interest was evident maybe we could then brainstorm on location, date of event ect…Fine tune the details.
Guys, I have been thinking about such a “lovefraud retreat” for a long time and at a couple of tiimes on the blog several of us discussed it. Even talked to Donna about it.
There are lots of ups and downs as well to organizing such an event….and cost and time involved too.
Just having a hotel and a date and time and a bunch of name tags and saying “Love Fraud retreat will be at XYZ hotel, in Denver on XYZ date” is just setting a date—-but many of the people on here have kids, jobs and POVERTY to consider as well. I’m not sure about any real “plans” Donna has made or intends to make about a retreat or convention, or whatever you want to call it, but while I would love to meet a bunch of you FACE TO FACE, I also realize that ONE person from LF that I DID meet turned out to be what I think is a PSYCHOPATH.